Star Wars Episodes I-VII Viewing Party: RETURN OF THE JEDI

Dear all,

This is the sixth of the viewing parties for all 7 episodes.

We are watching one episode each weekend (Saturday and Sunday) so that fans from different timezones can participate at any time. Here's the schedule for all viewing parties:

The Phantom Menace - weekend of 9/10 April
Attack of the Clones - weekend of 16/17 April
Revenge of the Sith - weekend of 23/24 April
A New Hope - weekend of 30 April/1 May
The Empire Strikes Back - weekend of 7/8 May
Return of the Jedi - weekend of 14/15 May
The Force Awakens - weekend of 21/22 May

The idea is to get as many posters to see the movie at approximately same time (weekend) so that we can discuss it together fresh from or during the viewing (if you find a particular scene very interesting or relevant for ST, you can pause and post about it and resume watching). The idea is to see how all 7 movies influence and mirror each other, Ring Composition, etc. Also, they are about Kylo Ren's family so they tie with TFA. We hope that watching TFA after other 6 will result in fresh take on this very much discussed movie.

So, viewing party begins now! Jump in whenever you have time. You have 2 days at your disposal. cheers

I can't watch it.

I know people dislike it, but it was the first SW movie I've ever saw and the one I watched most times (like 20 or so as a child).

It's the one where Leia is the most bad***, it's the one with the emotional ending with Vader.

Leia is revealed as Luke's sister.

Luke is - finally - a bad***. I like his evolution, and I like his character in this movie, how he's darker, and still committed to good. And it's weird that Obi-Wan (and even Yoda I think) gave him advice that would likely have turned him dark.

Han shows a lot of maturity. He's jealous of Leia and still hugs her, consoles her, then offers to walk away. It's selfless. And he didn't see Leia in the bikini, I wonder if it was meant to be funny that he of all people didn't see it.

When I watched it as a child, I always felt for the Rancor owner.

The ewoks don't bother me too much. I guess the message is that united we can defeat evil. I don't know, it's like a little LOTR vibe, even the little ones can play a part. Ok, the way they defeat stormtroopers is a little childish and unrealistic. I don't know, I think I liked as a child, maybe cause their interference is sort of unexpected, but interesting. They turn the tide of the war in Endor. Yes, execution could have been better. And they captured the heroes too easily. The fact that they capture the heroes could work to show that they are combat savy, but it was a little off.

I'm looking forward for your observations

That little Ewok dies, and it's moving.

I'll try watching it tonight, but I can't guarantee anything. My schedule is even tighter than it was last week, I have finals like crazy and it was already hard to watch ESB and take notes like I did. But I will try, especially that I'm going to do a summary of the OT in the end.

I'll try watching the prequels and comment about them too once I'll be done with all my finals.

I am watching ROTJ now,

Interesting but the opening sequence with the rescue of Han from Jabba's is really really good, it's pacing reminds me of a Raiders flick and is better than most action movie sequences that come out of late. Han is feeling the love from his friends, it is so nice and a real character growth arc over the 3 movies.

Lando is so hot!
Boba is dead man...
The Lando/Han bromance is so nice to see without any undertones, acting is perfect so there is no accidental shipping lmao.

Leia love eyes, she is so in love.


The scenes on Dagobah with Yoda are good, but I don't like Obi's force ghost, maybe it is Alec Guiness's portrayal, I don't know. Something about it does not feel right.

Love Vaders walk, Love that once Vader begins to have feelings for Luke, the Emperor can no longer read his mind foreshadowing!?

I am sorry, but I know a lot of DUDES/FANBOYS hated on ROTJ because of the Ewoks, but I think GL was ahead of his time on this one. Ewoks are cute and meme prone, that is such an internet/social media viral idea that would complete work now. I love them.

@spacebaby45678 I'm gonna join!

spacebaby45678 wrote:I am watching ROTJ now,

Interesting but the opening sequence with the rescue of Han from Jabba's is really really good, it's pacing reminds me of a Raiders flick and is better than most action movie sequences that come out of late.  Han is feeling the love from his friends, it is so nice and a real character growth arc over the 3 movies.

Lando is so hot!
Boba is dead man...
The Lando/Han bromance is so nice to see without any  undertones, acting is perfect so there is no accidental shipping lmao.

Leia love eyes, she is so in love.  


The scenes on Dagobah with Yoda are good, but I don't like Obi's force ghost, maybe it is Alec Guiness's portrayal, I don't know. Something about it does not feel right.

Love Vaders walk, Love that once Vader begins to have feelings for Luke, the Emperor can no longer read his mind    foreshadowing!?

I am sorry, but I know a lot of DUDES/FANBOYS hated on ROTJ because of the Ewoks, but I think GL was ahead of his time on this one. Ewoks are cute and meme prone, that is such an internet/social media viral idea that would complete work now. I love them.

@spacebaby45678

I've noticed that Vader has become forgiving since discovering that his son was alive. otherwise he would have Force choked that slacker of a Death Star 2.0 commanding officer. That's a subtle thing that shows change in him that people usually don't pick up on. As well as that Palp can't read his mind as you noticed.



Life with Vader must be a bore. Kylo's Storm Troopers got it much better. He bridal carries s gurrrl. That's food for gossip, lmao!

vaderito wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:I am watching ROTJ now,

Interesting but the opening sequence with the rescue of Han from Jabba's is really really good, it's pacing reminds me of a Raiders flick and is better than most action movie sequences that come out of late.  Han is feeling the love from his friends, it is so nice and a real character growth arc over the 3 movies.

Lando is so hot!
Boba is dead man...
The Lando/Han bromance is so nice to see without any  undertones, acting is perfect so there is no accidental shipping lmao.

Leia love eyes, she is so in love.  


The scenes on Dagobah with Yoda are good, but I don't like Obi's force ghost, maybe it is Alec Guiness's portrayal, I don't know. Something about it does not feel right.

Love Vaders walk, Love that once Vader begins to have feelings for Luke, the Emperor can no longer read his mind    foreshadowing!?

I am sorry, but I know a lot of DUDES/FANBOYS hated on ROTJ because of the Ewoks, but I think GL was ahead of his time on this one. Ewoks are cute and meme prone, that is such an internet/social media viral idea that would complete work now. I love them.

@spacebaby45678

I've noticed that Vader has become forgiving since discovering that his son was alive. otherwise he would have Force choked that slacker of a Death Star 2.0 commanding officer. That's a subtle thing that shows change in him that people usually don't pick up on. As well as that Palp can't read his mind as you noticed.





Life with Vader must be a bore. Kylo's Storm Troopers got it much better. He bridal carries s gurrrl. That's food for gossip, lmao!

@vaderito


Luke " I can't kill my own father"
Admiral Ackbar "It's a trap! "
Han " I love you" Leia " I know"

Leia's perfect hair and make up

What languid pacing this movie have.

Huttslayer is such an underrated moment but is really one of SW's best and most memorable kills. Clever too (using chains to strangle Jabba). Very happy that Claudia Gray built Bloodline plot around it.

OK, so they are setting up Vader's redemption but not obviously. He is more "forgiving", he lets Luke's shuttle to pass even though he could have arrested the whole crew (Kylo letting Finn go after he sensed that Finn didn't shoot may be a callback).

Hello everyone  I'm in a good mood - got chocolate yay!!

Just about to begin watching but am gonna be multi tasking the sith out of this film - reading for my frozen planet course and rolling on here all at the same time!!

Early observations:

Just gotta love the sound of the TIE fighters

Ooooooh the sound of the Death Star

Darth Darth Darth Darthy Darth!!!

Darth is such a bully - dude never seems to just have a chill day!!

Aw all the feels for the 'someone who loves you' line, reveal and kiss

ho ho ho ho ho ho ho - Jabba like a nightmare-ish Father Christmas  

Threepio 'oh I can't bare to watch' about the Jabba licking Leia scene - you and me both metal man you and me both

Pure love between Han and Chewie!!  Awww that hug makes me melt

Luke looking like a bad*** and killing it with the Jedi mind trick - looking very OB1 with his robes in the light at the palace

Luke v the Rancor is a bit like Anakin/Padme/OB1 v reek/nexu and acklay - human vs creature - so will we see someone in the ST vs a creature - if so, who?  or will it be more than 1 vs a creature or creatures??

Boba Fett's death was rather lame for such a built up character.

Huttslayer - Leia proving that you don't always need a man to do the work for you.  Who's to say that the ladies of the SWU can't do sith for themselves!

Aw the beautiful and not at all manipulative friendship between Darth + Palp.

Kylo is a lot like his grandpa - when Darth talks about finding Luke his voice is full of emotion.  When Kylo said Han means nothing to him - his voice is thick with emotion - so many Daddy issues from both sides - Father and Son

Palp wanting to convert Luke together with Darth but even then you get the impression Palp views Luke as Vader's replacement.  See Snoke and Kylo - doesn't say about converting Rey (yet) instead just wants her brought to him - but you still get the impression from the words in the convo that Snoke sees Rey as a replacement for Kylo.  It's all in the words surrounding.

Yoda doing his best to skirt the Vader is Luke's Father issue.  And them dumping that revelation on Luke without a name - bit rude.  Poor Luke   Until ghost OB1 rocks up with the Anakin was seduced to the Dark Side of the Force and ceased to be Anakin and the good man (Anakin) was destroyed.  Hmmmmm hello Kylo Ren/Ben - seduced by Snoke, ceased to be Ben and claimed to have destroyed him.  So much like his grandpops (apart from the small matter of feeling the pull to the light thing)

Many truths we cling to depend on your point of view (similar thing implied in GoT this week!!)

Anonymous for like 5 seconds.

Luke advised to bury his feelings - they do you credit but they could be made to serve the Emperor - Snoke is playing on that with Kylo you can totally see it given that Kylo is practically an emotional wreck

SWU love their reactors

Aw the looks of love Leia gives Han aren't even subtle

Kylo's limo is reminiscent of that Empire shuttle his entire family is currently occupying - Mom, Dad, Uncle Luke, Uncle Chewie, R2 + Threepio.  Oh and lets not forget Vader rocked up in one too!! #Families

Han clearly refused to wear that snazzy headgear currently being sported by Luke and Leia on Endor.

You can tell the relationship between Luke and Leia has changed from Luke's perspective - looks at her far more brotherly now whereas before they were still going with 'attraction'

Aw look its the deleted scene from TFA with Rey + Finn's snowspeeder chase, no sorry it's Luke and Leia with their speeder chase on Endor - see speeder chases in SW tend to involve friends/family v 'soldier's' of the main baddie (OB1+Anakin chasing Padme's wannabe assassin on Coruscant, Luke+Leia's trooper chase on Endor and Rey+Finn's snowspeeder chase on SKB)

Ewoks (+ a bit of handholding between friends - Leia and her new Ewok buddie!!)

Luke's compassion for Vader will be his undoing (well it almost was) but in turn it was Vader's compassion for Luke that was the killer.  What is it with compassion in the Skywalker family.

In a tight spot call R2 (master of many trades!!!)

I think Chewie and Kylo went to the same hairdresser!!!

Han doesn't have much patience for Threepio - can't imagine his so did either.

That baby Ewok is cute

Ewok's ooooo at the Hanleia kisses

A taste of Han's future parenting skills with that Ewok - no wonder Ben wasn't a fan

I'm guessing the Force showed Leia the images of her Mother because there was no way she could ever recall anything of her given she was minutes old when Padme died.

If somehow Leia has always known that Luke is her brother what on earth possessed her to kiss her own brother??  Weird  #Families

Luke needs to remember his own words about his Father and there being good in him when dealing with his nephew.

Jealous Han and teary Leia = their son never stood a chance with their quick fire emotions.

Luke saying Father gets right under Vader's skin - planting the seed and watch it grow in Vader's mind/heart + emotions

Vader + Kylo both think it's too late for them   but it wasn't for Vader and it wont be for Kylo - he's got more time

Han understanding Ewoks  

Luke's right about the Emperor's overconfidence being his weakness.  Dang Luke is just so chill.  The Emperor really overplayed his hand - didn't estimate on a bunch of furry teddybears wrecking his plans did he???!  In your face Sheev, in your face.  #Attackofthefurballs

Poe is totally a cross between Wedge + Lando = not a main star but a key player all the same (as much as I Oscar)

'It's a trap!'

The Emperor really does creepy seduction well - makes my skin itch.

Just what are those arrow tips made of that they can pierce plastic armour???

I can see why they had Finn be a stormtrooper because they really do not have a very good rep - they get killed or knocked out/down so darn easily.  Guess they wanted to prove they're not all wet.

Subtle hints there from Vader (with the slight bow of his head) about the conflict growing within (hello grandson with your subtle hints of the same, oh and the not always so subtle)

Did they really do a tarzan call then???

'I love you' 'I know' in reverse

Face off complete with a creepy cheerleader

Vader not so bothered by the fact he had twins

Luke can really take a good electrocuting

Bye bye Palp you creepy seductress you

Shame they cut the moment between Vader and Luke with Lando and the Rebel pilots destroying the reactor (like snow fight cut with Poe and the Resistance pilots destroying SKB)

Aw there's absolutely no hate or disgust from Luke when he sees the face of his Father

Wow that simple string of Darth Vader's theme hit me in the feels

What's the betting Poe will end up flying the MF at some point in the ST - even for just a moment??

Han's totally thinking of the Leia/Luke kiss in that moment:



Aw that Hanleia hug

They talk a lot about destiny and it's quite clear at the celebration party that Luke's destiny isn't to become a Father but to serve the Jedi Order like the three in front of him.

Wouldn't that have been the first and only time Anakin/Vader saw his daughter???

FIN

I seriously think this movie's worthless outside of Vader,Luke,Palp plot and Huttslayer scene.

Love that Palp calls Vader "my friend". There was definitely some affection that GL only hinted at but never fully explored.

Kylo is so much like his grandpa. Which means we'll get the "come with me" "Han Solo thought once like you do" moment.

Interesting, completing one's training means DS training. "I'm looking forward to completing your training. In time, you'll call me your master". I wonder if Kylo will have to call Snoke his master when he completes his training.

"The circle is complete. if you don't turn to the dark side perhaps she will." This is where Ben comes from. Making Rey a Skywalker-Solo didn't work because a legacy had to turn to complete the circle and they wanted to have a heroine. So Jedi Killer/Kylo became Hanleia son who turned so that circle was completed (Leia wasn't tempted but her son was instead).

Rewatched it last night, same as ESB of first time rewatching as an adult. It has its moments, just like Han, but the weakest of the 3 imo:

* Two helmet reveals - is this a callback in TFA given that the lines spoken by his parents & grandfather are

"Who are you?" "Somebody who loves you."

"Let me see you with my own eyes"

* I still think Leia was pretty awful to Han in ESB, but she makes up for it by busting him out and killing Jabba in a pretty direct/vicious manner. The strangling part is pretty DS.

* Is it the power of the darkside that means her hair and makeup are perfect all the time? Is that where her son gets his perfect helmet hair from? Versus Rey who's shown to be grimy/sweaty the entire time?

* How hard is it to get appointed General by the Rebellion considering that both Han and Lando are now generals? Is this like how at technology companies, everybody's a Program Manager? Or does General mean you're in good with Leia? Han doesn't seem particularly General like, other than being a supportive boyfriend who leads the strike team with Leia.

* Dunno, glad they worked things out but I kind of miss the old snarky Han versus the more mellowed out version. Maybe it was the Carbonite? This is where I sort of agree with Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan that he should've been killed off. Han in the TFA is so much more interesting than this version, I guess at least he stuck around long enough to ensure that there'd be a new kid to carry on the next trilogy

* How big of a deal is it to blow up the Death Star when it's happened 3 times now? Lando's is by far the least nerve wracking, other than the business of "it's a trap!" And his puppet co-pilot doesn't really get to do much? Like Han, reformed good guy Lando is kind of boring. I prefer this guy



* On the plus side, only movie in the OT where I like Luke because he has the whole creepy showdown with the Emperor. Man, Luke is like the Jeff Lebowski of Jedis in his response to the "POWER OF THE DARKSIDE" sales pitch.



You know that he and Rey are probably chilling in one of the old Jedi huts drinking White Russians and talking about how the Force Abides, Man.

* This is finally Vader's "Oh Hell No" moment after having bumped off how many people close to him as part of seizing his dark power? The Emperor probably thinks that after killing off his wife, best friend/mentor, and step-brother,  knocking off his kid is no bigs. Dumbass, that's his final straw.  If anything, knocking off Han means that any orders from Snoke to knock off that cute tomboy from the wrong side of the tracks you have a crush on is not going to go over well.

* Also dumbass but they clearly targeted the wrong twin. Luke's all mellow and peaceful, versus Leia who's running the show and strangled Jabba with the chain attaching them together.

* Ewoks are only tolerable because I can't not see the Redwoods National Forest (Humboldt County brah) and the general temperate coastal rainforest with Redwoods that is part of the landscape here and not get happy/sentimental.  Takodana you're pretty for sure, but our forests here are pretty damn ancient and epic.



Although if it were for real, the Rebels would be getting shot at by pot farmers and grow tenders controlled by the Sinaloa Cartel, not Stormtroopers.

* The version I watched had George Lucas' added on additional CGI party scenes, which was like "what's the point?"

So Luke cuts off Vader's artificial hand and Vader's weak, can't get up. Than Palp starts blasting Luke with blue lightnings and Vader immediately gains strength. This is like Rey and Kylo. She grew stronger as he grew weaker. Force Bond?

Kylo's unmasking is callback to vader's with a twist - Rey expected a monster but got Kylo. Also, Kylo wanted to see her with his own eyes.

NYE party across the galaxy is so Michael Bay.

if this ending doesn't convince you that Luke's not gonna be a family man...

Hayden is adorable, screw haters of his addition.

Yeah, this doesn't crack my top 3 SW, or Top 4.

vaderito wrote:So Luke cuts off Vader's artificial hand and Vader's weak, can't get up. Than Palp starts blasting Luke with blue lightnings and Vader immediately gains strength. This is like Rey and Kylo. She grew stronger as he grew weaker. Force Bond?

Kylo's unmasking is callback to vader's with a twist - Rey expected a monster but got Kylo. Also, Kylo wanted to see her with his own eyes.

NYE party across the galaxy is so Michael Bay.

if this ending doesn't convince you that Luke's not gonna be a family man...

Hayden is adorable, screw haters of his addition.

Yeah, this doesn't crack my top 3 SW, or Top 4.

@vaderito

I think there's a bit of Leia taking her mask (which is the only other one with the weird voice regulator) for Han when he asks "who are you?" in there.

vaderito wrote:So Luke cuts off Vader's artificial hand and Vader's weak, can't get up. Than Palp starts blasting Luke with blue lightnings and Vader immediately gains strength. This is like Rey and Kylo. She grew stronger as he grew weaker. Force Bond?

Kylo's unmasking is callback to vader's with a twist - Rey expected a monster but got Kylo. Also, Kylo wanted to see her with his own eyes.

NYE party across the galaxy is so Michael Bay.

if this ending doesn't convince you that Luke's not gonna be a family man...

Hayden is adorable, screw haters of his addition.

Yeah, this doesn't crack my top 3 SW, or Top 4.

@vaderito

BIB - totally got a Force Bond going on - look how many times knew Vader was around/nearby etc

Almost over...5 down 2 to go...
I allready know I like this one since I watched it couple of weeks ago and found love for Luke....but I wonder what will I see now....

t=0 min
The intro lines on this one is lamest...imo

t=2 min
The Empire personel has the funniest headgear....hahaha @Armadeus this reminds me of you now....I think I will always associate you with funny hats/helmets and centipedes

t=3 min
Vader looks best in this one...but his shuttle is lame white? Black would be so much better....

t=9 min
There's Jabba....but where on Earth is Debbie the Hutt???
*confused*

t=10 min
There's Han...just hanging arround...the wall  hahaha
Oh poor little robot/droid...why do they torture droids here? Can droids feel pain?

t=12 min
While I like Maz's cantina music and Mos Eisely one..this one in Jabba's den...with the froggy trumpet looking singer...wtf????

t=18 min
Can you grow old while frozen in carbonite...Han looks older than in ESB

t=20 min
Whoever thought of a gizmo/gremlin that grows from the Jabba should be fired asap...yuck

t=22 min
Luke...black is your color....you look good in it....please...no more creamy whites...pretty please?
Also...Leia...gold is your color...she looks good in golden bikinis

t=26 min
Luke just killed that thingie with the door....this is just so very much amusing to me...he has the cutest baby blue eyes if I have ever seen one....I have a bad feeling about this....

t=32 min
Bye bye Fett..and good riddance....Han you are my hero...

t=34 min
Half naked Leia operating a big gun....hmmm?

t=41 min
“Yes, a Jedi’s strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.”

Sorry Yoda..but you don't know the Force that well...ever heard of the Gray Jedi? We eat that sith for breakfast...light side too

t=43 min
This I believe you: "There is another Skywalker"
Leia is a Skywalker...Why is she insisting on Organa then....Skywalker sounds much better....

t=45 min
Did I get this right?? OB1 wants Luke to kill his father even if Luke tells him that he feels that there is still good in Vader....oh boy....aren't the Jedi wrong.....I certainly hope that Luke realized this immediately after the movie ended and that he incorporated some of the more grayish view of the Force in his teachings....And I hope that Ach-To has something to do with it....like house a temple of the old Je'daii or something....

t=53 min
*chuckles*
How does one fly casual?

t=56 min
Oh the Endor forest speeder chase....this scene is my first memory of Star Wars...was watching with my best friend

t=60 min
Nooooooo! Oh the horror...in the form of Ewoks! Blah! FF

t=64 min
I have forseen it...His compassion for you will be his undoing....
Blind as Yoda, are you Sith Lord?

t=70 min
This whole Ewok thing reminds me a bit too much of Indiana Jones....I like Dr. Jones, but not in the SW universe....

t=76 min
You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force runs strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. And... my sister has it. Yes. It's you, Leia.

To me this sounds like a promise....was Leia Luke's first padawan?

t=82 min
Luke: Search your feelings, Father, you can't do this. I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate.
Darth Vader: It is too late for me, son. The Emperor will show you the true nature of the Force. He is your master now.
Luke: Then my father is truly dead.

This is the sadest moment in SW for me....Ani, what are you doing? You just acknowledged you have feelings for your son but you still betray him to the dark side?

Ani.....you're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I cannot follow

You made me quote Padme...and you know how much I hate her guts...

t=97 min
Sidius has yellow eyes all the time?
I love the whole throne room exchange...Luke really is great here...RotJ Luke is the only one I can accept as a hero...he looks like he is more than a normal Jedi...hmmmm...the last Jedi....I see him walking the line...

t=103 min
Hahaha....how did I ever miss this before:
Han: I love you
Leia: I know

This must be the most underquoted moment of all SW  

t=105 min
There is no conflict....
still in denial Ani? Snap out of it!!!

t=109 min
This was a good lightsaber fight...
Stronger than his father, he is...used both sides of the Force....and rose above his anger...to become defiant....whoa:

Never....I'll never turn to the dark side. You failed Your Higness....I....am a Jedi....like my father before me
Dammit...goosebumps...

t=112 min
Well...If Palps survived that fall than there is still chance for Han.....nah...both are deadder than dead...Snoke is not Palpatine and Han is a ghost in the best case scenario...
But Vader'sredemption...still is a problem for me....I believe it was sincere now, true, but so lame....done in the last 5 min and then he dies... Why didn't he choose to turn back from the dark side sooner?? All would be different....ugh....men!!!
Kylo Ren better be more reasonable....like a woman....hahaha...is that why everyone call him a princess?

Overall...a very good movie (once you forget the Ewoks)....it will jump up at my list, for sure....a lots of quotes that I often use....and Ani is one hot Force Ghost  

just...the Ewoks...why???

Empire personnel has such impractical headgear. I mean, what are those things for? They don't protect, they don't look good, lol?

Dunno @vaderito
They use it to confuse the enemy perhaps?

Kylo Ren wrote:Dunno @vaderito
They use it to confuse the enemy perhaps?

@Kylo Ren

maybe, like, if we look the part than maybe we act the part right and they get confused/scared/etc.

vaderito wrote:

Kylo Ren wrote:Dunno @vaderito
They use it to confuse the enemy perhaps?

@Kylo Ren

maybe, like, if we look the part than maybe we act the part right and they get confused/scared/etc.

@vaderito

Or just to stop shooting and laugh.....because that was my reaction.....lol...

I won't be able to do it tonight. I'll watch it tomorrow and post about the movie next Monday.

Definitely the weakest film of the trilogy. All the stuff with Luke, Vader and Palpatine is awesome and the last scenes between Luke and his father get me all choked up - I'm a hopeless sucker for redemption, what can I say. Leia strangling Jabba with her chains is bad***. The rest is pretty meh. The recycled Death Star plot is already boring second time around, Ewoks and Jabba's palace is too much Star Wars the Muppet Show for my taste, Harrison Ford soooo doesn't want to be there, overall most of the characters outside Luke/Vader/Palpatine feel wasted.

- I can see why Harrison Ford wanted Han to die in this movie, but I'm glad he didn't, otherwise we wouldn't have his wonderful presence in TFA and his gangly boy of course

- Luke gives me serious Smug Jedi vibes in the first third of the film. I'm not sure anyway how did he progress from the rough-edged Jedi student in ESB to this confident master of cool all of a sudden.

- Leia gets shafted big time and I'm not talking about the slave girl outfit, which I don't have any problem with. She finds out who her real father is and gets no time to absorb it, or for this information to really hit her in any meaningful way. I get that she's not the film's main protagonist, but still it's really not surprising that her heritage (and Kylo's by association) is often forgotten about.

- Even though I love the Luke/Vader/Palpatine drama, I don't get what the Emperor's plan is here or what Luke is supposed to be tempted by. Was Luke supposed to lose it and give in to his anger, and then that alone would somehow be enough for him to go, oh my master I'll serve you forever and ever? In RoTS, there's at least something concrete that Palpatine tempts Anakin with.

- Luke burning his father's body is an impossibly haunting scene. I couldn't help thinking about how, 30 years later, his grandson would be talking to that mask burning up on the screen right now.

- "Weesa freeee!" is so George Lucas giving a middle finger to the fans who hated Jar-Jar in the prequels.

I love the entire OT. ROTJ comes second place in my list of favourite SW movies (ANH and ESB are tied for first). The Ewoks are divisive, but I like them and I won't apologise for it. ROTJ is a fun ride from start to finish and a fitting conclusion to the story that began in ANH (or TPM, if you want).

I'm not going to go into any detail about how I feel about the whole OT (that would require an entire novel), but these are a random thoughts:

I distinctly remember watching ROTJ for the first time as a kid and when I saw Luke in R2's hologram, all dressed in black and giving Artoo and Threepio away like that I really thought he'd joined Vader. I was like: "Oh my God, Luke is evil! I have conflicted emotions right now."

Salacious Krum... creepy little bast**d!

Luke walks in, all black robes and hood, Force chokes Jabba's guards... Yep, definitely evil.

"Boba Fett? WHERE?" Funniest moment of the movie, for me. Of all the ways for a guy like Boba Fett to go out...

OBI-WAN: "He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil."


The final lightsaber fight between Luke and Vader is my all time favourite duel in the entire saga. It is the culmination of Luke's and Anakin's stories and it unfolds beautifully. Also, it is supported by one of Williams' most underrated pieces:

Joseph Campbell wrote:Man should not be in the service of society, society should be in the service of man. When man is in the service of society, you have a monster state, and that's what is threatening the world at this minute. ...Certainly Star Wars has a valid mythological perspective. It shows the state as a machine and asks, "Is the machine going to crush humanity or serve humanity?" Humanity comes not from the machine but from the heart. What I see in Star Wars is the same problem that Faust gives us: Mephistopheles, the machine man, can provide us with all the means, and is thus likely to determine the aims of life as well. But of course the characteristic of Faust, which makes him eligible to be saved, is that he seeks aims that are not those of the machine. Now, when Luke Skywalker unmasks his father, he is taking off the machine role that the father has played. The father was the uniform. That is power, the state role.

Thank you for your views ....and reminding me of Ewoks...and...that gizmo thing...lol...damn

Anyone else notice this:

LUKE: Your overconfidence is your weakness.

SIDIOUS: Your faith in your friends is yours.

Notice how Sidious never denies that he has a weakness. In fact, he seems perfectly fine with it. A strange quality in a villain...

Now you make me doubt he is pure evil...ant that was one of my base axioms....
Nah...he is just a villain aware of his weaknesses.....a fact that makes him even more dangerous I'd say....that is until his overconfidence about it bites him in the a**....hihihi
(I'm a smartass I know )