SW Sequel Trilogy Metas

Irina de France wrote:I guess it's okay to do self-promotion? I did two metas until now, but I do intend to do more, eventually.

French dubs and their subtleties...
http://cosette-giry.tumblr.com/post/143113301997/french-dubs-and-their-subtleties

Anidala and Reylo: Mustafar vs the Interrogation scene
http://cosette-giry.tumblr.com/post/145177289657/anidala-and-reylo-mustafar-vs-interrogation-scene

AppleCrumble122 wrote:
@Irina de France

This is probably a stupid question, but is there a Canadian French dub of the Force Awakens? Or two separate European French dubs? I first heard French Kylo Ren on youtube and adored his voice! I was delighted to learn the French dub was on my blu-ray, but when I listened to it Kylo Ren's voice was completely different! So now I'm trying to find out which dub I heard first.

Irina de France wrote:

AppleCrumble122 wrote:
@Irina de France

This is probably a stupid question, but is there a Canadian French dub of the Force Awakens? Or two separate European French dubs? I first heard French Kylo Ren on youtube and adored his voice! I was delighted to learn the French dub was on my blu-ray, but when I listened to it Kylo Ren's voice was completely different! So now I'm trying to find out which dub I heard first.

@AppleCrumble122

It's not a stupid question at all! They do usually do separate dubs for France and Canada. I've listened to the Canadian French version for sure, since I've bought the DVD here in Canada, and I have to say it's this version that has Christian Perrault. And I thought his voice was pretty yummy XD It all depends on where you live and where you got the DVD, really If you're in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if you got the French dub from France.

AppleCrumble122 wrote:

Irina de France wrote:

AppleCrumble122 wrote:
@Irina de France

This is probably a stupid question, but is there a Canadian French dub of the Force Awakens? Or two separate European French dubs? I first heard French Kylo Ren on youtube and adored his voice! I was delighted to learn the French dub was on my blu-ray, but when I listened to it Kylo Ren's voice was completely different! So now I'm trying to find out which dub I heard first.

@AppleCrumble122

It's not a stupid question at all! They do usually do separate dubs for France and Canada. I've listened to the Canadian French version for sure, since I've bought the DVD here in Canada, and I have to say it's this version that has Christian Perrault. And I thought his voice was pretty yummy XD It all depends on where you live and where you got the DVD, really If you're in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if you got the French dub from France.

@Irina de France

Hehe thanks! I'm from the UK so I'm certain I got the European French dub. This is the version I first heard - is this Christian Perrault? http://gwendy85.tumblr.com/post/142505950798

Irina de France wrote:Yup, that's the French Canadian dub all right.

nonesuch wrote:Because it provides a much better format for long, text-based posts, I have established a Wordpress blog to share my writings on Star Wars. Much of the content over the coming weeks will be familiar from my tumblr blog, but all of the upcoming pieces have been revised and edited to line up with our present knowledge, which has often changed substantially since I first wrote the posts in question. I have regular content lined up for several months, so keep an eye on it!

https://journalofthestarwars.wordpress.com/

Slade wrote:

nonesuch wrote:Because it provides a much better format for long, text-based posts, I have established a Wordpress blog to share my writings on Star Wars. Much of the content over the coming weeks will be familiar from my tumblr blog, but all of the upcoming pieces have been revised and edited to line up with our present knowledge, which has often changed substantially since I first wrote the posts in question. I have regular content lined up for several months, so keep an eye on it!

https://journalofthestarwars.wordpress.com/

@nonesuch

Aaaaand bookmarked!

Acritiqua wrote:Since it's in there. I just want to point out that the world doesn't only consist of Reylos and Antis. And although the Antis may reduce the interrogation scene to only a coded **** scene, that doesn't mean that anyone who sees these elements in the scene is an Anti. Nor does it mean perceiving such elements is a condemnation of Reylo by itself. I see these elements *and* I like Reylo. Though I would not reduce the scene to *only* that. It's an underlying subtext (as in Kylo is NOT literally a ******), and there is so much more going on, symbolically and directly. Reducing it to that seems to miss the entire scene and I've noticed that people who do that often also don't believe Kylo has compassion for Rey. I was convinced he does the first time I saw the scene, because I was *watching* it. It's a rich scene and there is a lot to explore in it. As soon as Kylo saw Rey's loneliness and inner world, he began to feel for her.

Darth Dingbat wrote:

Acritiqua wrote:Since it's in there. I just want to point out that the world doesn't only consist of Reylos and Antis. And although the Antis may reduce the interrogation scene to only a coded **** scene, that doesn't mean that anyone who sees these elements in the scene is an Anti. Nor does it mean perceiving such elements is a condemnation of Reylo by itself. I see these elements *and* I like Reylo. Though I would not reduce the scene to *only* that. It's an underlying subtext (as in Kylo is NOT literally a ******), and there is so much more going on, symbolically and directly. Reducing it to that seems to miss the entire scene and I've noticed that people who do that often also don't believe Kylo has compassion for Rey. I was convinced he does the first time I saw the scene, because I was *watching* it. It's a rich scene and there is a lot to explore in it. As soon as Kylo saw Rey's loneliness and inner world, he began to feel for her.

@Acritiqua

Re: the bolded - I personally feel like it ought to be. I just can't reconcile the idea of anyone seeing that scene as an actual coded rape scene with seeing Reylo as okay, let alone likely to happen.

Seeing it as a rich scene with many levels to explore (both textual and subtextual) is different from seeing it as a "coded rape scene". Not that I judge you if you genuinely see it that way; everybody has a different way of engaging with fiction.

But frankly, if it were a coded rape scene - a coded empowering rape scene, at that - I would lose a lot of respect for JJ.

Darth Dingbat wrote:

Seeing it as a rich scene with many levels to explore (both textual and subtextual) is different from seeing it as a "coded rape scene". Not that I judge you if you genuinely see it that way; everybody has a different way of engaging with fiction.

Acritiqua wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:

Seeing it as a rich scene with many levels to explore (both textual and subtextual) is different from seeing it as a "coded rape scene". Not that I judge you if you genuinely see it that way; everybody has a different way of engaging with fiction.

@Darth Dingbat And the above is how I see it. It's like listening to a symphony. There are a lot of overlapping melodies and harmonies. If you pull one of them and examine it in depth that does not mean it is the entire piece of music just because you're focusing on it right now. It may not even sound like the rest of the music--it may be in the harmony, whereas the melody is what really carries/defines the music.

And if someone is examining this one thread it's not reasonable to assume that person is an Anti. It's needlessly polarizing imo.

What if the broken lightsaber symbolizes Ben Solo himself? It was lost for years and locked up in a chest in a castle’s cellar (Mazz’s place is like a castle) like Kylo was trapped in Snoke’s lair. The saber was found by Rey but was rejected when she didn’t accept her hero’s quest in TFA, like Rey found Ben but rejected his call, just like like she rejected the lightsaber’s. It eventually became Rey’s despite her initial intention to give it to Luke, who threw it away unceremoniously in TLJ. Rey was sent to Luke carrying the lightsaber in her bag, without using it, and both the saber and Rey were sent to Luke by Leia, like Ben was as a kid.

The lightsaber was the instrument to end Snoke. Like Kylo himself, it was necessary to do away with great evil. Kylo killed the Supreme Leader, a bad guy with no personality or known background, who’s little more than a mere representation of evil, like the snake in the Bible.

The saber was used by Ray on the island after she rescued it, so to speak. It was among the garbage like Ben is, discarded by everyone but Rey, the only one who bothers to salvage it like the scavenger she is and can use it because it calls her, it goes to her (TFA) answering her summons and behaves as if it is hers, though Kylo claims it belongs to him.

This lightsaber is the Skywalker legacy and it’s doomed, nobody wants it but Rey, who rejected it in the beginning despite what Mazz said to her. Kylo himself is the last Skywalker, so he is the Skywalker legacy made flesh ( and what flesh, LOL)

What Rey means to him finally broke him. He was being torn apart and pulled by Dark and Light until in the end he broke apart splitting in two like the lightsaber, torn between being being Ben Solo and his other side, the Kylo Ren persona.

If I am right it’s not bad that Rey has the two parts of the broken lightsaber, because she cares for him although he is broken. Others would throw him away like garbage but not Rey, she is a scavenger after all. Perhaps this is why Leia said her son is lost ( how I hated it when she said that), to show that he is at his lowest point, broken, and only Rey is in the position to make him whole. Nobody else can, only Rey and Ben himself.

I have seen the movie only once, did Kylo keep anything from the lightsaber? I can’t remember.

I was so angry when Leia gave up on him, as a mother I can’t take that, but this is a fairiytale and everything is symbolic in fairytales, so this may mean only the heroine can save Ben Solo through love, like Beauty saved the Beast.

In fairytales heroes are orphans or leave their past behind, perhaps the loss of parents shouldn’t be taken in a literal way. I mean, if this was real I could never root for Ben or understand why his parents gave up on him and didn’t go to rescue him when he was in Snoke’s clutches.

Han and Luke went to rescue Leia in ANH but none of them tried to save Ben when he was trapped. Luke knew how hurt and horrified he must be after what he tried to do to him and didn’t try to help him, the same Luke who saved the Resistance and believed Anakin could be redeemed.

How horrible is this? As horrible, if not more, than what Kylo did, because he was their kid.

But this isn’t a relistic drama but a fairytale where parents are always irrelevant, they can never help. For instance, why didn’t Cinderella’s father or Snowhite’s father protect them? Why were their mothers dead? Because the heroine has to complete her journey by herself and parents never rescue the princess prisoner to a dragon or under an evil spell, only the hero can help the captive princess, only Rey can help Ben. This is how I see it if this is indeed a fairytale.