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@Darth_AwakenedDarth_Awakened wrote:Is this Miss Aphra a new official candidate to be SkyMum?
Yes she is....despite Aphra being Asian and PH confirming on Twitter than Rey's parents are white.
https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/823960313112313856
That being said, I'm all for a Luke-Aphra romantic relationship as it kills Reywalker completely.
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I've been wondering do you guys think it's OOC for LUke to devote all of his time to searching fothe old Jedi lore and FS people?I know that as the last Jedi he had a huge responsability to pass on what he's learned but it seems like such a huge change in his character after the OT has shown how his emtions tend to get the better of him like when eh risked his life to save Han and Leia and later his father.Obviously we don't know much about his life post-Endor and it would be ver interesting to learn more about him after TLJ and episode 9 come out but I still find ti kind of strange that he wouldn't spend more time with Han and Leia (and little Ben)who are his only family after he neraly died trying to reddem his father because of how much he loved him.I mean like I said we don't know much about his relationship with them so I don't want to judge prematurely but it seems like the EU did a better job of establishing a family unit between the Skywalker-Solo families even after Luke became a Jedi(but then again I haven't read that many EU novels so I might be wrong and it looks like the OT3 were constantly invovled in some kind of a war in contrast to canon where they had years of peace).
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Watched TFA (again) with my mother last night. She is convinced that Luke did something bad with Rey's parents, and that's why he seems know who she is at the end.
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@CienaReeCienaRee wrote:I've been wondering do you guys think it's OOC for LUke to devote all of his time to searching fothe old Jedi lore and FS people?I know that as the last Jedi he had a huge responsability to pass on what he's learned but it seems like such a huge change in his character after the OT has shown how his emtions tend to get the better of him like when eh risked his life to save Han and Leia and later his father.Obviously we don't know much about his life post-Endor and it would be ver interesting to learn more about him after TLJ and episode 9 come out but I still find ti kind of strange that he wouldn't spend more time with Han and Leia (and little Ben)who are his only family after he neraly died trying to reddem his father because of how much he loved him.I mean like I said we don't know much about his relationship with them so I don't want to judge prematurely but it seems like the EU did a better job of establishing a family unit between the Skywalker-Solo families even after Luke became a Jedi(but then again I haven't read that many EU novels so I might be wrong and it looks like the OT3 were constantly invovled in some kind of a war in contrast to canon where they had years of peace).
I agree with that to some extent. A while back, Pablo did tweet that it wasn't necessarily Luke's own plan (but someone else's plan) to re-start the Jedi Order. So, it could be something that he was doing out of some obligation (at least at first). But I agree that it seems strange that after everything he went through for Han and Leia, that he wouldn't at least be there for the birth of his nephew.
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JJ Abrahams si predicting an Oscar nomination for Mark Hamill which speaks volumes about his performance.
I would really like to see Luke being a but of lunatic, not this hero or mythical person Rey is imagining him to be. Kinda parallels what might Ben undewent in his training. Not exactly this type of Luke but also a different person to who he was after RTJ.
I would really like to see Luke being a but of lunatic, not this hero or mythical person Rey is imagining him to be. Kinda parallels what might Ben undewent in his training. Not exactly this type of Luke but also a different person to who he was after RTJ.
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@DarthRen,
I am excited about the same thing. I am hoping for a more complex Luke possibly...maybe a little dark and unhinged? I can't wait to see what happened between him and Kylo? I still honestly think this will be the big reveal in 8. Not who Rey's parents are but why Ben turned and how Luke might have played a big part in that also. Not necessarily intentionally though....I expect that Rey possibly gaining sympathy for Kylo because of what happened between Luke will be the other surprise. I can also see that as a big surprise to the general audience and even the long time fans.
I am excited about the same thing. I am hoping for a more complex Luke possibly...maybe a little dark and unhinged? I can't wait to see what happened between him and Kylo? I still honestly think this will be the big reveal in 8. Not who Rey's parents are but why Ben turned and how Luke might have played a big part in that also. Not necessarily intentionally though....I expect that Rey possibly gaining sympathy for Kylo because of what happened between Luke will be the other surprise. I can also see that as a big surprise to the general audience and even the long time fans.
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For me, how Luke Skywalker is placed on the poster, means something big will happen to him, or Luke will cause a huge turn of events in TLJ. Back when the original big3 was announced to be joining the cast, I immediately thought Luke's role = Yoda's role, the protagonist's master. But it seems like TLJ will also contain a continuation of Luke Skywalker's journey as a Jedi. He will not be just a Yoda II. I'm guessing that Luke might not even had the chance to teach Rey much. FO might arrive earlier than we expect.
Pls correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that the marketing is promoting Luke as an anti hero, so far. Not so "light." Am I the only one who feel this way? Not sure if marketing does it on purpose or not.
Can't wait to see Mark's Oscar-winning performance! I really hope he do win it! First actor from Star Wars franchise to win Oscar, go Mark!
Pls correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that the marketing is promoting Luke as an anti hero, so far. Not so "light." Am I the only one who feel this way? Not sure if marketing does it on purpose or not.
Can't wait to see Mark's Oscar-winning performance! I really hope he do win it! First actor from Star Wars franchise to win Oscar, go Mark!
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@shii405shii405 wrote:For me, how Luke Skywalker is placed on the poster, means something big will happen to him, or Luke will cause a huge turn of events in TLJ. Back when the original big3 was announced to be joining the cast, I immediately thought Luke's role = Yoda's role, the protagonist's master. But it seems like TLJ will also contain a continuation of Luke Skywalker's journey as a Jedi. He will not be just a Yoda II. I'm guessing that Luke might not even had the chance to teach Rey much. FO might arrive earlier than we expect.
Pls correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that the marketing is promoting Luke as an anti hero, so far. Not so "light." Am I the only one who feel this way? Not sure if marketing does it on purpose or not.
Can't wait to see Mark's Oscar-winning performance! I really hope he do win it! First actor from Star Wars franchise to win Oscar, go Mark!
I think the term is not 'anti-hero' as that one will definitely be Kylo's (and it's a different trope altogether) but more like a disillusioned hermit. A little bit of Ben Kenobi and Yoda. But Luke is more active than those two. They simply sat back and let the Force do it's thing (Ben letting Vader kill him, Yoda letting Luke go to Bespin), Luke on the otherhand seems more assertive in what he wants to happen with the Jedi and is trying to instill what new things he's learned of the Force.
He's not some passive Mentor figure at all and I think that's much better than what most of us expected of him. Him being old and disillusioned will play off nicely against young and hopeful Rey. They are both heroes, but Luke knows his time is over and needs someone else to do the hard work for him.
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@BirdwomanBirdwoman wrote:@DarthRen,
I am excited about the same thing. I am hoping for a more complex Luke possibly...maybe a little dark and unhinged? I can't wait to see what happened between him and Kylo? I still honestly think this will be the big reveal in 8. Not who Rey's parents are but why Ben turned and how Luke might have played a big part in that also. Not necessarily intentionally though....I expect that Rey possibly gaining sympathy for Kylo because of what happened between Luke will be the other surprise. I can also see that as a big surprise to the general audience and even the long time fans.
Poster gave us a little bit of a hint that Luke going darker is on the cards.
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Someone posted an interesting theory on YouTube....while it may or may not be true, it makes some interesting assumptions and I can see it making a good story (though some old fans might disagree)...
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In The Art of the Force Awakens there's a concept of art of Luke morphing into a Snoke-like creature. I always thought it was odd.
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@Piper MaruPiper Maru wrote:In The Art of the Force Awakens there's a concept of art of Luke morphing into a Snoke-like creature. I always thought it was odd.
Yeah, creepy Luke O_o
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It would make sense if Snoke were Luke's shadow. I keep hesitating on that because perhaps Leia and Snoke make the more fitting dyad.
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The San Diego suburb where Mark Hamill lived for a few years in his childhood is honorarily re-naming a street after him:
http://www.10news.com/entertainment/san-diego-oks-honorary-star-wars-street-name-in-clairemont
http://www.10news.com/entertainment/san-diego-oks-honorary-star-wars-street-name-in-clairemont
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I cannot wait for the next issue of Doctor Aphra to see possessed Luke and his weird interaction with the Vampire Queen.....
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Rian has a really interesting challenge with Luke in TLJ. Since they are really establishing him as being polar opposite from how he was in the EU, they almost have to throw diehard fans a bone of some kind, either with a really awesome lightsaber duel (I'm hoping with Snoke, or at least the Knights of Ren). Either way, my money is on Luke searching for some kind of old Jedi manuscripts on how to defeat Snoke. I really want super-awesome Jedi master Luke to be hiding under the surface of the grumpy old man that he looks to be, lol.
BUT, that doesn't explain the weirdness that he was up to pre-TFA, and in the Bloodline book. Something weird was going on with him, and I'm dying to know what it is.
BUT, that doesn't explain the weirdness that he was up to pre-TFA, and in the Bloodline book. Something weird was going on with him, and I'm dying to know what it is.
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@cnunncnunn wrote:Rian has a really interesting challenge with Luke in TLJ. Since they are really establishing him as being polar opposite from how he was in the EU, they almost have to throw diehard fans a bone of some kind, either with a really awesome lightsaber duel (I'm hoping with Snoke, or at least the Knights of Ren). Either way, my money is on Luke searching for some kind of old Jedi manuscripts on how to defeat Snoke. I really want super-awesome Jedi master Luke to be hiding under the surface of the grumpy old man that he looks to be, lol.
BUT, that doesn't explain the weirdness that he was up to pre-TFA, and in the Bloodline book. Something weird was going on with him, and I'm dying to know what it is.
I agree that there's something "up" with what Luke was up to. It doesn't sound like we're necessarily getting the "Dark Luke" scenario that seemed to be rumored in some quarters, but there has to be something else going on with Luke beyond him being broken and embittered on Ahch-To. A popular theory around here has been that he'd gone fanatical, but about the light side of the Force, and was possibly on a crusade to wipe out darksiders, etc.
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I just found this interesting post on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/6zq67f/what_primitive_mythology_tells_us_to_expect_from/
Thought it was worth sharing!
https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/6zq67f/what_primitive_mythology_tells_us_to_expect_from/
Thought it was worth sharing!
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@LucinaLucina wrote:I just found this interesting post on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/6zq67f/what_primitive_mythology_tells_us_to_expect_from/
Thought it was worth sharing!
Great find! I loved every word of it, I hope that is the way they are going.
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Someone posted an advenace summary of the book "Legends of Luke Skywalker"....its an interesting read.
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The book opens with the Rey quote from TFA about her thinking Luke is a myth. On the Wayward Current, bound for Canto Bight, crew members tell stories about Luke Skywalker. The first one is about an engineer in a bar on Xu’hu giving a comical ‘truthful’ retelling of A New Hope after being prompted by a hooded figure. After the story is finished, the hooded figure turns out to be Luke. It’s set some time after he disappears from the public eye, but it isn’t specified when.
The next story is Luke on Jakku from the point of view of an Imperial who served on a Star Destroyer. He tells an impossible story of Luke dispatching capital ships in space with his lightsaber and the Force. After the Imperial’s Star Destroyer crashes, he is recovered from the wreckage by a mysterious figure who drags the wounded Imperial across the desert, picking up salvage from the battle and searching for other survivors. The Imperial begins to suspect that it’s Luke and attempts to escape, but the figure finds him and tells him that if he tries to run he’ll die in minutes. The figure wears clothes noted to look like Luke’s and talks about growing up in another desert. The figure tells the Imperial that he plans to deliver the Imperial to an Imperial stronghold beyond the dunes. They reach the stronghold, but it has been cleared of all traces of Imperials by now. The Imperials abandoned it during the battle and blew up everything, including laboratories, to erase all traces of what the facility had been. The two stay there, trading with passing scavengers. The Imperial becomes certain that the figure is Luke after he rescues the Imperial and a group of scavengers from a disaster caused by a reactor leak from a crashed Star Destroyer, but the man doesn’t confirm the theory and gives the Imperial a homing beacon to call the Empire before leaving. The Empire tells the Imperial that Luke Skywalker wasn’t anywhere near Jakku and throws him out for being a traitor, so the Imperial returns to Jakku and becomes a scavenger, now having faith in Luke.
Next, an escaped stowaway slave tells a story set on the faraway oceanic world of Lew’el. A young pair of twins, native Lew’elans, hunt for food to feed their village. A strange foreigner saves the girl, Aya, from a storm that kills the girl’s mount. The man had come to Lew’el to study with the natives, having heard ancient tales of their strange connection to the ‘Tide.’ The man quotes Yoda’s “Do. Or do not. There is no try.” to one of the elders. He says that he has traveled the Galaxy seeking others sensitive to the ‘Tide’ and understanding of its ways. The elder tells him he can stay for the night, but must leave in the morning. The man, called Seeker, tells stories of the Jedi and the Force, and about asteroids belts that house giant slugs, and cantinas, and jungles, and city-worlds. The children are sent to bed and Seeker and the elder discuss the Tide and the Force. They debate and Seeker quotes Yoda again. Seeker passes trials to prove himself worthy of knowledge about the Tide. He continues to indicate that he is Luke by talking about things like X-Wings and Beggar’s Canyon. Seeker barely fails the third trial, but learns as much about the Tide as he would have learned if he had succeeded. He says his farewells, gets into his X-Wing with a blue-and-silver dome chirping on top, and flies away to seek out other aspects of the Force he can learn from.
The ship’s custodian droid then tells a story that has been passed from droid to droid around the galaxy without change. On Cro-Akon, a construction droid is stolen by slavers. The droid, Zeta, awakens on a ship filled with other captured droids, bound for the Unknown Regions. They dock on a space station called the Gem, where the captain tries to sell them to the station. One white, silver, and blue astromech manages to slice through one of its restraining bolts and catches the interest of the buyers. The world below the station, just called the Deep, has valuable materials in its interior, but the surface is inhospitable. In order to maintain their lifestyle, the nobles of the Gem put droids to work on the Deep. Because of acid and heat, even construction droids don’t last more than a few months. Zeta is put to work as an enforcer to make the other droids work, with an override chip forcing her to do her job. R2-D2 tries to cheer up the other droids as they are brought down to the surface. They are put to work and Artoo refuses to give up hope that his master will rescue him. One day, a strange, bulky protocol droid is delivered and put to work. The droid turns out to be Luke in disguise, there to rescue Artoo. Luke and Artoo get the override chip out of Zeta and lead the droids in a revolt. The nobles are overthrown, all of the droids are returned to their homes, and Luke and Artoo leave.
The fifth story is told from the point of view of Lugubrious Mote, a mole-flea who lived on Salacious Crumb. We read the flea’s exaggerated telling of Return of the Jedi, starting with Luke’s hologram to Jabba. The flea speaks with Leia the night before Luke shows up, and jumps into the rancor pit to help Luke and prove to Leia that she can be an ally. In the flea’s telling, Luke is much more useless and relies on Mote’s help to defeat the rancor and escape the sarlacc. After the escape, Leia transfers the flea to a woolly hopwell beast and the flea travels around the galaxy before joining a circus.
The final story is told from the point of view of a scientist, then a biology student trying to do fieldwork in the Agoliba-Tu system. She catches a ride to the system in an A-wing piloted by Luke. Luke asks her if she had ever seen any ancient Jedi ruins, as he is trying to learn as much as he can about them. The two of them accidentally wander into an exogorth, the same species as the one the Millennium Falcon had been stuck in years prior. They wander deeper into the slug, encountering a variety of unique creatures that live inside of the beast. They get out with the sacrifice of ancient beings known as Mist-Weavers who had been stuck in the beast themselves for an eon. Luke and the scientist part ways.
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Interesting (and IMO, plausible) theory/exchange on reddit about Luke:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/7bit3r/the_theme_of_the_st_and_balance/
Gangsta Rap Guy (who seems to know a few details about TLJ) posted this in response:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/7bit3r/the_theme_of_the_st_and_balance/
Luke is most likely wracked with grief and guilt over how he couldn't foresee or prevent Ben's fall and how all of his other students died.
My money is that he thinks the Light and Dark Side practitioners cannot exist without the other, similar to how Batman always has to contend with the Joker. Neither ever truly wins; the vanquished always returns. Maybe he thinks that by exiling himself, he can break from the cycle.
His journey will lead him to realize that, regardless of the evil that can arise in the face of a prevailing good, he has a duty to stand against it; that a world without Batman is worse than a world with Batman and the Joker.
Gangsta Rap Guy (who seems to know a few details about TLJ) posted this in response:
Oh you are so close!
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I’ve just watched the recent episode of Collider Jedi Council. They want to see Luke igniting the green lightsaber sooooo bad. They always repeat that Rey is the hero of the Sequel Trilogy but I have an impression they really want Luke to save the day.
I also have a feeling that Luke might die in TLJ. I remember during last year celebration panel, Mark Hamill was saying how people always ask him if he and Carrie are like siblings in real life. He said that they fight all the time, they’re not speaking to each other for years and that he would defend her with his life. A hidden spoiler?
The GA expects Leia to die due to Carrie’s passing away. What if it’s Luke who dies, sacrificing himself to defend Leia and leaving no choice to Rey and Kylo, the last remaining force users, but to team up in order to deal with Snoke
I also have a feeling that Luke might die in TLJ. I remember during last year celebration panel, Mark Hamill was saying how people always ask him if he and Carrie are like siblings in real life. He said that they fight all the time, they’re not speaking to each other for years and that he would defend her with his life. A hidden spoiler?
The GA expects Leia to die due to Carrie’s passing away. What if it’s Luke who dies, sacrificing himself to defend Leia and leaving no choice to Rey and Kylo, the last remaining force users, but to team up in order to deal with Snoke
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@Darth_marshmallowDarth_marshmallow wrote:I’ve just watched the recent episode of Collider Jedi Council. They want to see Luke igniting the green lightsaber sooooo bad. They always repeat that Rey is the hero of the Sequel Trilogy but I have an impression they really want Luke to save the day.
I also have a feeling that Luke might die in TLJ. I remember during last year celebration panel, Mark Hamill was saying how people always ask him if he and Carrie are like siblings in real life. He said that they fight all the time, they’re not speaking to each other for years and that he would defend her with his life. A hidden spoiler?
The GA expects Leia to die due to Carrie’s passing away. What if it’s Luke who dies, sacrificing himself to defend Leia and leaving no choice to Rey and Kylo, the last remaining force users, but to team up in order to deal with Snoke
I can actually see this happening...especially if they decide to have Luke ignite the green and cause significant damage to the FO and Snoke before sacrificing himself....I have this headcanon of a dying Luke telling Ben Solo to complete Rey's jedi training, thus bringing to fruition Kylo's You Need a Teacher line....it would be a nice nod to Qui Gon as well.
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