Knights of Ren

@DeeBee

Yes, I saw that another weapon had a red light. The gun also has a red light. So probably all their weapons are powered, indeed. That's funny about the cord. Darn, I want to see these weapons in action. I remember getting really excited about the PG with the double blade that looked like it could split to become two weapons and then we got that awesome PG fight in TLJ which is amongst my favorite SW fights (if not my favorite) and the guy/lady split the weapon and whirled the two blades and I was in heaven. I know, I am such a geek.

Because I am a geek, I also thought of the similarities with the PG and am looking at said PG's weapons. They had electro plasma blades included in their weapons allowing them to parry lightsabers and it was also coming out of nozzles (you can't see the nozzles in the chains though). Still that doesn't explain how that unsharp curved-in blade could be lethal or what that thing with a cord does. I could see the thing with a cord work like a guillotine with the two quarter circles separating first and then swiflty coming together snapping whatever is in-between in two. I am not into hororr movies but somehow everything I can think of sounds like one But hey, Ben sent a PG flying into a ventilator (or whatever that was) to be chopped up so what's a guillotine, right?

If the KoR went after relics and had to fight force users, it'd make sense to have weapons that can withstand lightsabers. I would love it if those grenades on the guy to the left could actually confuse the senses of force users so they cannot for a few seconds use their powers. I am so cruel... The question is still up whether the KoR themselves are force sensitive especially if they are former students of Luke's. Maybe they prefer to play it gritty and only use lightsabers when they are in a hurry.

Something interesting about the trailer (it contains a spoiler): https://gwendy85.tumblr.com/post/185161257763

Moonlight13 wrote:Something interesting about the trailer (it contains a spoiler): https://gwendy85.tumblr.com/post/185161257763

@Moonlight13

Some people have sharp eyes At least the KoR doesn’t seem to be dancing... It’s true that there was speciesism in the Empire according to books and it seems to still be so in the FO (was that confirmed in auxiliary material too? I can’t remember), but since the KoR do not exactly look like the types to conform, I could see them using the service of non humans. Snoke’s aids in the throne room were not human so I guess there are exceptions. But hey, at least we know there are at least 2 scenes with one or more KoRs. Yey!

After all of Rian's West Side Story Tweets, I can't not think of the Jets every time the KoR are mentioned now



Still wanna know which one of them is also a trained esthetician and responsible for maintaining Kylos's hair and eyebrows.

SanghaRen wrote:@DeeBee

Yes, I saw that another weapon had a red light. The gun also has a red light. So probably all their weapons are powered, indeed. That's funny about the cord. Darn, I want to see these weapons in action. I remember getting really excited about the PG with the double blade that looked like it could split to become two weapons and then we got that awesome PG fight in TLJ which is amongst my favorite SW fights (if not my favorite) and the guy/lady split the weapon and whirled the two blades and I was in heaven. I know, I am such a geek.

Because I am a geek, I also thought of the similarities with the PG and am looking at said PG's weapons. They had electro plasma blades included in their weapons allowing them to parry lightsabers and it was also coming out of nozzles (you can't see the nozzles in the chains though). Still that doesn't explain how that unsharp curved-in blade could be lethal or what that thing with a cord does. I could see the thing with a cord work like a guillotine with the two quarter circles separating first and then swiflty coming together snapping whatever is in-between in two. I am not into hororr movies but somehow everything I can think of sounds like one But hey, Ben sent a PG flying into a ventilator (or whatever that was) to be chopped up so what's a guillotine, right?

If the KoR went after relics and had to fight force users, it'd make sense to have weapons that can withstand lightsabers. I would love it if those grenades on the guy to the left could actually confuse the senses of force users so they cannot for a few seconds use their powers. I am so cruel... The question is still up whether the KoR themselves are force sensitive especially if they are former students of Luke's. Maybe they prefer to play it gritty and only use lightsabers when they are in a hurry.

@SanghaRen
- I'm of the same mind SanghaRen! Remember all the fun we had trying to figure out the PG weapons?! That for me was a highlight of the lead up to TLJ. I love that it's not just me who eats up this stuff here! ha!
Yeah I agree their weapons would be lightsaber resistant, like the PG's.

Regarding the bolded, I'm thinking the question has been answered for me about whether the KOR are dark side users because the book: 'Absolutely everything you need to know - updated and expanded' confirms this:
- I shared it on the previous page.
It also confirms the KOR were there at the destruction of the Jedi Academy.
It doesn't say the KOR are Luke's students - but given they were there it's quite possible.. it adds up.

But! I appreciate that this could be 'overruled' by TROS content.. (as films are top of the canon hierarchy)  

So at this point, I'm thinking they are dark side force users, they were there at the destruction of the temple and they could very well be the students who left with Kylo Ren that night. But I don't hold on to it toooo tightly... we shall see!
I personally think they will be more interesting if they are dark side force users but whatever of the KOR we will get will be great! the PGs weren't and they were awesome! Can't wait for the toys and packaging to come out lol.

The KOR seem very close to the concept art we've seen.. do you think that one with the massive sword is similar to the KOR named 'The Sniper' lol.

The Monk (who seems to have back to camera in the VF photo) looks super creepy!
I wonder if his face will be the skull look.. very striking..

Chatter based on a KOR spoiler:

@Moonlight13 - wow someone has great eyes!!!
That KOR looks like the one titled 'The Armory' - interesting that they don't have names. I wonder if they will get names at all.. like the PGs never did..

snufkin wrote: ...Still wanna know which one of them is also a trained esthetician and responsible for maintaining Kylos's hair and eyebrows.

@snufkin
Ohhhh I think they're natural!

edited to add:
I had a play around with this image.. and I can see The Monk with his skull face in the background. bet you guys had already seen this! lol. It's new to me!  

we can even just make out the shape of his axe now that we know what it is.. cool!

That's amazing!
Regarding whether they were Luke's students...
He made a point of mentioning:
"He'd left with half my students and slaughtered the rest"

So.....if they aren't Luke's former students, what happened to them?

Putting this here as we get a great look at this Knight of Ren and his/her weapon!

interesting the label is 'Knight of Ren' - and not an individual name.. and I'm shocked Kylo isn't on the cover! Maybe it's because it would have labelled him 'Ben Solo' ha!

Actually it's very telling that Kylo isn't on the cover.
I own the VDs from the first two films, and they both showed villains - Kylo, who then was marketed as the 'bad guy', and one of the Praetorians.
So....does Kylo go from bad guy to good guy - or at least not so bad guy - in ROTS?

motherofpearl1 wrote:Actually it's very telling that Kylo isn't on the cover.
I own the VDs from the first two films, and they both showed villains - Kylo, who then was marketed as the 'bad guy', and one of the Praetorians.
So....does Kylo go from bad guy to good guy - or at least not so bad guy - in ROTS?

@motherofpearl1

Spot on motherofpearl1!

Here's another glimpse of the Knights of Ren:

do you think this is Passana?
Source
It's interesting that the art we are getting is of Kylo Ren with the Knights of Ren- both here and in the art for the 4 issue comic - both have Kylo wearing the reconstructed helmet...


You guys seen this 'KOR all hitting on Rey while Kylo seethes' fanart?
https://faembrosia.tumblr.com/post/172785082953/the-epic-battle-between-the-supreme-leader-and-the
not sure of the rules around sharing fan art so I'll just share the link.
Pretty funny!!

DeeBee wrote:

motherofpearl1 wrote:Actually it's very telling that Kylo isn't on the cover.
I own the VDs from the first two films, and they both showed villains - Kylo, who then was marketed as the 'bad guy', and one of the Praetorians.
So....does Kylo go from bad guy to good guy - or at least not so bad guy - in ROTS?

@motherofpearl1

Spot on motherofpearl1!

Here's another glimpse of the Knights of Ren:
do you think this is Passana?
Source
It's interesting that the art we are getting is of Kylo Ren with the Knights of Ren- both here and in the art for the 4 issue comic - both have Kylo wearing the reconstructed helmet...


You guys seen this 'KOR all hitting on Rey while Kylo seethes' fanart?
https://faembrosia.tumblr.com/post/172785082953/the-epic-battle-between-the-supreme-leader-and-the
not sure of the rules around sharing fan art so I'll just share the link.
Pretty funny!!

@DeeBee

lmaoo omg that would have been soo funny to see on screen. Ugh if only...

DeeBee wrote:....

This is new to me also! Luke writes "My mistakes pushed Ben further away from the light - and he dragged the galaxy into the darkness with him. After he burned our temple to the ground and slaughtered any students who refused to follow him to the dark side, Ben donned a mask. Like his grandfather before him, and took a new name, claiming his place at the side of the Supreme Leader Snoke."
-This has something new here I haven't heard before. The idea that Kylo slaughtered students who 'refused to follow him to the dark side'.
We've previously heard that he slaughtered some students and other students left with him.. but I've not heard it put like this.
Luke may be mistaken here, but if we take this at face value, this means the students who left with Kylo went to the dark side with him. This is the first time I've heard this!
And.. we know that the Knights of Ren were there the night the Jedi temple was destroyed.. (this was revealed a canon book see HERE where I shared the source)
Put the two together and it is even more likely that the students who followed Kylo to the dark side are in fact Knights of Ren.
...

Yes I'm quoting myself. It's a bit ridiculous but I want to put this here in the KOR thread.. lol

@DeeBee

Nothing wrong with quoting yourself It’s interesting that they put such stuff in books, but so far we have not seen them in action neither in the trailer nor in the D23 promo. Does it mean that they are not so important in TRoS or on the contrary, they are a missing key link in the bigger story? I am not even sure the GA at this point remembers them.

So Luke believes that Ben 'slaughtered' his students?
I think it was a battle.
I read somewhere that during the making of TLJ they included a number of 'lghtsabre hilts' among the special effects. When you see Luke's flashback, you see the dead students but you can't make out if they had lightsabres or not. But....why else would the SFX team include lightsabre hilts unless they were beside the bodies of the students. Which means THEY WERE ARMED.
Not a massacre of unarmed children, such as in RotS, but a battle between two armed factions.

And finally.....Luke didn't wake up until after the event, so how did he know it was a 'slaughter'?

motherofpearl1 wrote:So Luke believes that Ben 'slaughtered' his students?
I think it was a battle.
I read somewhere that during the making of TLJ they included a number of 'lghtsabre hilts' among the special effects.  When you see Luke's flashback, you see the dead students but you can't make out if they had lightsabres or not. But....why else would the SFX team include lightsabre hilts unless they were beside the bodies of the students. Which means THEY WERE ARMED.
Not a massacre of unarmed children, such as in RotS, but a battle between two armed factions.

And finally.....Luke didn't wake up until after the event, so how did he know it was a 'slaughter'?

@motherofpearl1

I don’t mind if he actually slaughtered them because they refused to follow him. To me it changes nothing to his redeemability. I think the word “slaughter” was always used to describe what happened. That would explain why he did not go to his parents. Somehow I can see a scene similar to the beginning of TFA in which prompted by Phasma on the villagers’ fate, he gives the order to kill them. Maybe there was a fight and the “light” students lost and were given the choice to follow. They refused. And with Snoke sort of watching and the “dark” students there, he felt that he had to show ruthlessness. It doesn’t make him innocent because it is a slaughter, but then innocents do not get redemption stories. It seems to be his pattern to do what is expected from him or what he thinks is expected from him. RJ said that one of the reasons to make him kill Snoke and become the Supreme Leader was to force him to stand on his own two feet. So hopefully if Palps tries to get him on his side, he’ll tell him to go beep himself.

I've just heard that some of the scenes from TRoS are being re shot in order to 'please the audience.'

So.....for Reylos this could be a bad thing...(they're trying to please antis) or a good thing. They're trying to please Reylos.

The plot thickens.

motherofpearl1 wrote:I've just heard that some of the scenes from TRoS are being re shot in order to 'please the audience.'

So.....for Reylos this could be a bad thing...(they're trying to please antis) or a good thing. They're trying to please Reylos.

The plot thickens.

@motherofpearl1

Maybe simple scenes here or there, doubt they will make any major changes to the story, and if reylo is part of that, it should go untouched...

motherofpearl1 wrote:I've just heard that some of the scenes from TRoS are being re shot in order to 'please the audience.'

So.....for Reylos this could be a bad thing...(they're trying to please antis) or a good thing. They're trying to please Reylos.

The plot thickens.

@motherofpearl1
Reshoots are completely normal. I wouldn't overthink it. There's going to be a bias toward representing the film as having development issues when there are none, of course. Every blockbuster ever went through reshoots.

https://twitter.com/JordanMaison/status/1170384574469332992

IIRC Cliff Scene/Feeling the Force together was shot in the Fall of 2015 at Bad Robot when TFA was in the final edit/post-production mode. And JJ didn't finish it until right before the premiere. So changes even at this stage are normal when working under such a tight production timeline and shouldn't be grounds for panic. Especially when it previously resulted in one of the most iconic moments of the ST/Saga.

They announced they were doing reshoots back in July, this isn't really news. Like others said, most films have reshoots. And since when are Reylos not "the fans" too? Given the compressed time frame, redoing some scenes is not completely changing the plot, character relationships, themes, or ending. It means redoing some scenes.

Hello! Guess this is the place for this?!
Just got hold of the visual dictionary.
Names of the KOR are as follows: Vicrul, Cardo, Ushar, Trudgen, Kuruk & Ap’Lek.
I feel pretty flat about this at the moment... but who knows maybe I will care again.
Anyone want me to share their blurbs?

Edited to add: they are all referred to as males. No females. Why am I not surprised?

Another bunch of wasted characters.