Kylo's lineage and romances that created him (Anidala, Hanleia)

Krafty wrote:After watching the OT over again (which I haven't done since I was 12) What I find interesting is the concept of time in reference to the epic  central romances, Han/Leia and Ani/Padmé.
I'm going to use Han and Leia as an example, because I like them.
Three years have gone by from the moment they meet in episode IV (where there is not a whole lot romancy wise unless you count Luke's obvious crush..) to episode V where things have actually bubbled up (I think that's right...If I'm wrong, help me out!). Not much focus was put onto them in terms of us getting to see how their attraction grew and began to yank on both of them as time passed. Its feels accelerated but appropriately pointed out by epV. **Which is absolutely fine** because in epV it was pretty clear where things were going once things got rolling. Ok, I'm a millennial on the younger side, so to be completely honest I would have really enjoyed some more push-pull flirty stuff in between IV and V because I'm a sucker for it. But for the sake of time I see how that doesn't jive. Moving on.

Now, with there being no time skip from VII to VIII, presumably more emphases will be put on Rey and Kylo's dynamics to establish an angsty and charged space flirtation. Something I felt like I was missing in the OT.

But the bottom line? Time. Time together, time to see Rey and Kylo interacting and gauge their chemistry is very telling and is a strong visual aid. This in direct comparison to the sort of fast tracking romance and time jump from epIV to V, where Han and Leia I'd assume spend a reasonable amount of time together -but is never shown, is interesting to me.

I feel it's important to point out this is just my opinion, and I have zero stuff against the OT.
This is just the irrelevant stuff I find fascinating ;) and its my current midnight muse.

snufkin wrote:

Krafty wrote:After watching the OT over again (which I haven't done since I was 12) What I find interesting is the concept of time in reference to the epic  central romances, Han/Leia and Ani/Padmé.
I'm going to use Han and Leia as an example, because I like them.
Three years have gone by from the moment they meet in episode IV (where there is not a whole lot romancy wise unless you count Luke's obvious crush..) to episode V where things have actually bubbled up (I think that's right...If I'm wrong, help me out!). Not much focus was put onto them in terms of us getting to see how their attraction grew and began to yank on both of them as time passed. Its feels accelerated but appropriately pointed out by epV. **Which is absolutely fine** because in epV it was pretty clear where things were going once things got rolling. Ok, I'm a millennial on the younger side, so to be completely honest I would have really enjoyed some more push-pull flirty stuff in between IV and V because I'm a sucker for it. But for the sake of time I see how that doesn't jive. Moving on.

Now, with there being no time skip from VII to VIII, presumably more emphases will be put on Rey and Kylo's dynamics to establish an angsty and charged space flirtation. Something I felt like I was missing in the OT.

But the bottom line? Time. Time together, time to see Rey and Kylo interacting and gauge their chemistry is very telling and is a strong visual aid. This in direct comparison to the sort of fast tracking romance and time jump from epIV to V, where Han and Leia I'd assume spend a reasonable amount of time together -but is never shown, is interesting to me.

I feel it's important to point out this is just my opinion, and I have zero stuff against the OT.
This is just the irrelevant stuff I find fascinating and its my current midnight muse.

@Krafty

There's definitely a jump both in time and their interactions to go from their last scene together in the first movie:



to their first scene together in the next movie:



It wouldn't be very family friendly, but I always thought it'd be more plausible (and pretty funny) if they'd hooked up at some point between the two movies and she tries to act afterwards like nothing happened.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin

I completely agree! I don't think I was aware of there being that much of a time jump as a kid (I'd always assumed that it was a few months between IV and V until I'd read that it was 3 years within the past few years).

It just doesn't make sense to me that a guy like Han Solo would wait 3 years to get together with any woman without at least a regretted-by-one-person hookup or something like that happening. In real life, that would actually be kind of pathetic.

Sylvia Snow wrote:@snufkin

In Leia's defense, it was supposed to be just a one night stand but it turn out to be something more. And Kylo is the result of it

vaderito wrote:@MedowofAshes

This is why I dislike both Anakin and Padme as characters. There are too many red flags to count but Padme for some reason I cannot fathom falls for the guy. And she enables him with lines like that, that's the worst part. He's a raging narcissist and egomaniac and she throws him a pity party for slaughtering a village of people including women and children. (Then completely gives up on life when she has two new children to care for - get outta here).

Padme knew Anakin since he was a cute little boy who had to leave his mother behind, and I think that she never shook off that image, which is very sympathetic image, until the very end. So it's possible that, when Anakin confessed about Sand People massacre, she didn't really believe him and thought he was only venting his grief and frustration:



After all, Rey saw Kylo kill his father and she knew Kylo only as her abductor and interrogator. So no reason to disbelieve or make mental excuses. OTOH, Padme knew Anakin as a sweet kid and young man of integrity, and this was only a very emotionally charged account of something that she didn't witness and didn't seem in character for the person she knew. So I think that her inadequate response was partly because she had doubts that he actually did it, like, "OK, he's very upset, understandably so, and I'll let him blow steam".

And speaking of my mother, I was explaining all the signs of Reylo after we watched TFA the other day. Anyway, she was asking about Ben Solo, what made him turn, etc. And conversation came around to how Rey and Kylo/Ben are two sides of the same coin, she brings out compassion in him, he was "weak and foolish like his father", his family really takes to Rey and my interpretation is she probably reminds them a lot of Ben when he was a boy. So from this information we can glean that Ben Solo was a compassionate individual. Indeed, he is "weak and foolish" with his compassion and I think there's a component of Rey reminding him of the boy/young man he has tried to destroy.

I totally read that when Rey was showing off as a skilled MF pilot, Han was reminded of Ben. And Kylo definitely meant compassion = weak and foolish.

Oh here's another Solo parallel. Han tells Finn women always find out the truth. Always. Sounds like something he learned from experience and probably a grain of wisdom imparted to his son. Now I contend there are already things to like about Kylo or that at least make him endearing - his mother's dry humor, his father's smirk (in fact, he seems his most likeable when he lets his family traits come through), but even if these don't endear one even reluctantly to Kylo, the one thing he really does have going for him is integrity. Snoke is the only character he lies, very poorly, to. He is honest with Rey. An interrogator would never tell a prisoner they have no idea where their friends are - they would say they've captured their friends and they've already given some information so the prisoner may as well confess. Or that they have their friends and if the prisoner doesn't talk their friends will get hurt. With Rey, Kylo has integrity, therefore we can assume Ben Solo has integrity. Indeed, as Pablo said, his bloodline is what makes Kylo interesting. When you start to notice all the traits that can probably be attributed to Ben Solo and therefore Ben's family, Kylo does become highly interesting.

Agreed and that's a great observation. It's also helluva tough job to bring this character to life, because there are several legacy characters that he has to resemble in various degrees. It's actually really interesting that he is such Solo during interrogation where one would expect him to be more like Anakin despite visual cues:

Infamous scene where Anakin Force chokes Padme (there are several angles of Anakin with stretched hand that was heavily mirrored in interrogation). This is where intimacy and bond between Anakin and Padme ends:



and (very intentionally) corresponding scene in TFA where intimacy and bond between Rey and Kylo begins:



Yet despite ROTS mirroring, the scene is also mirroring Han and Leia on Bespin with Kylo invading Rey's private space with infamous Solo staring at lips and smirking:

shii405 wrote:Is Kylo Ren technically really a prince? Does he has a royal blood line? Leia was adopted by Organa. So, Padme was the one with royal blood? What do you guys think?

shii405 wrote:Is Kylo Ren technically really a prince? Does he has a royal blood line? Leia was adopted by Organa. So, Padme was the one with royal blood? What do you guys think?

shii405 wrote:Is Kylo Ren technically really a prince? Does he has a royal blood line? Leia was adopted by Organa. So, Padme was the one with royal blood? What do you guys think?

shii405 wrote:Woo~ thank you guys, for the detailed explanation! For me, Kylo is a royalty and a prince, then, haha