The Last Jedi Trailer(s): NO SPOILERS

Forsythia wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:I would also like to see the Millennium Falcon destroyed. It should have gone with Han really because it now feels like a redundant relic of the past. It’s not like destroying it in the ST would be the end for it because we have the anthology movies, comics, books, animated series. In that sense, the MF is immortal but the saga movies should have new ships with the chance to become iconic. I also kind of feel that way about C-3PO and R2-D2... I grew up with those droids and I do love them, I just think we need to move on. C-3PO should perish with Leia as he’s sort of become her right-hand droid. R2-D2 should go when Luke goes or go into long term hibernation. By the end of the ST, I feel the new characters should have come to the fore and the remnants of the past should be laid to rest. Like I said, nothing ever really dies in Star Wars so I would personally welcome an out with the old and in with the new Spring clean by the end of Episode IX.

@Mrs Ben Solo

Yes, though I love the OT, I also think that it's time for the MF, C-3PO and R2-D2 to go (and Chewbacca, too, to be honest). They've been around for a long time and should be very outdated. Aren't 3PO and R2 at least 60 years old? Considering technological progress it seems unrealistic that they haven't been replaced by more modern droids yet I also think their inclusion in the new films for nostalgic reasons feels kind of forced and it's limiting the story possibilities, because there's so many characters that have to be there by default and if you then add new similar characters, it just gets crowded and some of the characters become unnecessary. I would prefer something new for the new trilogy, instead of relying on characters and props from the OT, and I think the films can look and feel like Star Wars without the OT stuff. We have BB-8 now who can do the same things as R2, so do we really need R2? And with Rey speaking droid, do we need 3PO to translate anything (or why not show new models of protocol droids with the Resistance)? We have Rey, Kylo and Poe who are good pilots, do we need Chewbacca as a co-pilot? I'm also not really a fan of cameos by old characters when they don't contribute anything important to the story and are only there for nostalgic reasons (like that pointless moment of showing 3PO and R2 in Rogue One...) And while I'm at it, I really want Rey to get her own lightsaber instead of using Anakin's. Though I'm not a fan of the PT, I was always very excited about seeing new lightsabers in each film and was disappointed that they brought back Anakin's for TFA and TLJ, and Luke will probably still have his green lightsaber from RotJ, since it appeared along with Anakin's and Kylo's lightsabers in one of the behind the scenes features for TFA.

I hope other OT lovers don't hate me now for wanting the ST to ditch most of the OT stuff

Forsythia wrote:
Yes, though I love the OT, I also think that it's time for the MF, C-3PO and R2-D2 to go (and Chewbacca, too, to be honest). They've been around for a long time and should be very outdated. Aren't 3PO and R2 at least 60 years old? Considering technological progress it seems unrealistic that they haven't been replaced by more modern droids yet I also think their inclusion in the new films for nostalgic reasons feels kind of forced and it's limiting the story possibilities, because there's so many characters that have to be there by default and if you then add new similar characters, it just gets crowded and some of the characters become unnecessary. I would prefer something new for the new trilogy, instead of relying on characters and props from the OT, and I think the films can look and feel like Star Wars without the OT stuff. We have BB-8 now who can do the same things as R2, so do we really need R2? And with Rey speaking droid, do we need 3PO to translate anything (or why not show new models of protocol droids with the Resistance)? We have Rey, Kylo and Poe who are good pilots, do we need Chewbacca as a co-pilot? I'm also not really a fan of cameos by old characters when they don't contribute anything important to the story and are only there for nostalgic reasons (like that pointless moment of showing 3PO and R2 in Rogue One...) And while I'm at it, I really want Rey to get her own lightsaber instead of using Anakin's. Though I'm not a fan of the PT, I was always very excited about seeing new lightsabers in each film and was disappointed that they brought back Anakin's for TFA and TLJ, and Luke will probably still have his green lightsaber from RotJ, since it appeared along with Anakin's and Kylo's lightsabers in one of the behind the scenes features for TFA.

I hope other OT lovers don't hate me now for wanting the ST to ditch most of the OT stuff

Rei of Sunshine wrote:Reylo does have the power to dethrone HanLeia. As much as I Love You I Know was iconic, HanLeia was a subplot, whereas Reylo takes centerstage with development. HanLeia happened somewhat too fast, Reylo is more interesting because they go from Enemies, to Friends, and eventually Lovers.

It's a slow burn, but the conclusion looks promising.

Before you know it, You Need a Teacher will be the new I Love You I Know hahaha

shii405 wrote:As much as a huge fan of OT i am, i really do not mind them go away. I am emotionally invested already in all the new characters since they are all very well written. So the OT characters feels less important now for me. But i think they have done their parts and they did a great job.

motherofpearl1 wrote:Off topic but....at the beginning of the second trailer where you see Kylo leading stormtroopers on Crait - can anyone see if hes wearing his helmet? Because if he is, it seems that the Crait scenes are earlier than I thought.

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
I never made the leap to say Ben falling as a teenager was the only possible choice for his backstory, but I considered it a good possibility until I saw that Tweet from Pablo about how the temple destruction wasn't as long ago as people were anticipating. Then I adjusted my thinking, and that was that. I think a lot of us didn't see that Tweet, so the reveal came from Bloodline instead.

Thing is I'm definitely more inclined to think that Rian removed the "Ben was groomed by Snoke since he was a kid" plotline and replaced it with Kylo losing control of his #rawpower and wrecking the temple unintentionally. I'm not saying Snoke wasn't still watching him, but I'm no longer sure we're getting a story where he was actively grooming him. IMO, the "vein of darkness, etc." in Aftermath could be a hint at the unique raw power Kylo was going to be born with, not necessarily an implication that Snoke was f***ing with him in the womb.

SanghaRen wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
I never made the leap to say Ben falling as a teenager was the only possible choice for his backstory, but I considered it a good possibility until I saw that Tweet from Pablo about how the temple destruction wasn't as long ago as people were anticipating. Then I adjusted my thinking, and that was that. I think a lot of us didn't see that Tweet, so the reveal came from Bloodline instead.

Thing is I'm definitely more inclined to think that Rian removed the "Ben was groomed by Snoke since he was a kid" plotline and replaced it with Kylo losing control of his #rawpower and wrecking the temple unintentionally. I'm not saying Snoke wasn't still watching him, but I'm no longer sure we're getting a story where he was actively grooming him. IMO, the "vein of darkness, etc." in Aftermath could be a hint at the unique raw power Kylo was going to be born with, not necessarily an implication that Snoke was f***ing with him in the womb.

@FrolickingFizzgig

I am with you on the bolded. I did see it as a very good option for a very long time and was even attached to it in a way, but after seeing the trailer which promises a packed story, I don’t see where they’ll have room to include the grooming part in a way that the audience also buys it. And since loss of control of raw power is a convincing argument that does not demand a big explanation, why bother. Snoke might have indeed watched Ben for a long time without intervening. Until the incident. Maybe he even helped causing the incident behind the scene.

Krafty wrote:This is like out of left field, but I just want to point this out.
In that last shot from the trailer, you know the one
Just look at his breathing. Do you see how hard he's breathing? And the look on his face....man. He looks, and is acting almost....nervous.
This is as close to Kylo/Ben bearing his heart to another person as I think we've seen. The fact it's coded as intimate as well is just a bonus.


Just a random thing I noticed.

reylo1992 wrote:

SanghaRen wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
I never made the leap to say Ben falling as a teenager was the only possible choice for his backstory, but I considered it a good possibility until I saw that Tweet from Pablo about how the temple destruction wasn't as long ago as people were anticipating. Then I adjusted my thinking, and that was that. I think a lot of us didn't see that Tweet, so the reveal came from Bloodline instead.

Thing is I'm definitely more inclined to think that Rian removed the "Ben was groomed by Snoke since he was a kid" plotline and replaced it with Kylo losing control of his #rawpower and wrecking the temple unintentionally. I'm not saying Snoke wasn't still watching him, but I'm no longer sure we're getting a story where he was actively grooming him. IMO, the "vein of darkness, etc." in Aftermath could be a hint at the unique raw power Kylo was going to be born with, not necessarily an implication that Snoke was f***ing with him in the womb.

@FrolickingFizzgig

I am with you on the bolded. I did see it as a very good option for a very long time and was even attached to it in a way, but after seeing the trailer which promises a packed story, I don’t see where they’ll have room to include the grooming part in a way that the audience also buys it. And since loss of control of raw power is a convincing argument that does not demand a big explanation, why bother. Snoke might have indeed watched Ben for a long time without intervening. Until the incident. Maybe he even helped causing the incident behind the scene.

@SanghaRen

I would rather go for both these options: Kylo might have losed control of his raw power but I still think that Snoke tried to corrupt him from his early age  and pulled the strings in the shadow to have this incident happening. Snoke is a Palpatine type villain - that is to say a manipulator: can't imagine him like an opportunist who just found out about Kylo's raw power once it exploded and then managed to convince him to join the FO just like that. Ben was a 23 years old adult - not a teenager - as this happened. Even if he felt distraught, I hardly imagine him following blindly a guy he never knew at all. And let's keep in mind that the TFA novel and the Aftermath trilogy made it pretty clear that something was up from his birth.  

shii405 wrote:I just realized Kylo Ren scenes total screentime is just 26 minutes when all his scenes compiled together!!! No way, 1/4 of the whole movie and yet I felt his presence was so prominent in TFA?? I hope his total screentime increased to, at least, 50 minutes for TLJ?

SoloSideCousin wrote:

reylo1992 wrote:

SanghaRen wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
I never made the leap to say Ben falling as a teenager was the only possible choice for his backstory, but I considered it a good possibility until I saw that Tweet from Pablo about how the temple destruction wasn't as long ago as people were anticipating. Then I adjusted my thinking, and that was that. I think a lot of us didn't see that Tweet, so the reveal came from Bloodline instead.

Thing is I'm definitely more inclined to think that Rian removed the "Ben was groomed by Snoke since he was a kid" plotline and replaced it with Kylo losing control of his #rawpower and wrecking the temple unintentionally. I'm not saying Snoke wasn't still watching him, but I'm no longer sure we're getting a story where he was actively grooming him. IMO, the "vein of darkness, etc." in Aftermath could be a hint at the unique raw power Kylo was going to be born with, not necessarily an implication that Snoke was f***ing with him in the womb.

@FrolickingFizzgig

I am with you on the bolded. I did see it as a very good option for a very long time and was even attached to it in a way, but after seeing the trailer which promises a packed story, I don’t see where they’ll have room to include the grooming part in a way that the audience also buys it. And since loss of control of raw power is a convincing argument that does not demand a big explanation, why bother. Snoke might have indeed watched Ben for a long time without intervening. Until the incident. Maybe he even helped causing the incident behind the scene.

@SanghaRen

I would rather go for both these options: Kylo might have losed control of his raw power but I still think that Snoke tried to corrupt him from his early age  and pulled the strings in the shadow to have this incident happening. Snoke is a Palpatine type villain - that is to say a manipulator: can't imagine him like an opportunist who just found out about Kylo's raw power once it exploded and then managed to convince him to join the FO just like that. Ben was a 23 years old adult - not a teenager - as this happened. Even if he felt distraught, I hardly imagine him following blindly a guy he never knew at all. And let's keep in mind that the TFA novel and the Aftermath trilogy made it pretty clear that something was up from his birth.  

@reylo1992

I agree. And further,  mental manipulation of people, whether through indoctrination, Sith objects, implanted chips, or dreams is all over the new canon. At this point it
is basically a recurring theme. I don't know why they would drop it when JJ flat out alluded to it in a documentary released *after* Rian had started filming, and the dark side interference with Ben was in the Aftermath books, which were also released after filming. They absolutely knew Rian's story by then, so why not take out those parts had it bee dropped?

WhatGirl wrote:

shii405 wrote:I just realized Kylo Ren scenes total screentime is just 26 minutes when all his scenes compiled together!!! No way, 1/4 of the whole movie and yet I felt his presence was so prominent in TFA?? I hope his total screentime increased to, at least, 50 minutes for TLJ?

@shii405

Kylo Ren affects the whole movie. He's the one making things happen, whether he appears onscreen or not.

WhatGirl wrote:

shii405 wrote:I just realized Kylo Ren scenes total screentime is just 26 minutes when all his scenes compiled together!!! No way, 1/4 of the whole movie and yet I felt his presence was so prominent in TFA?? I hope his total screentime increased to, at least, 50 minutes for TLJ?

@shii405

Kylo Ren affects the whole movie. He's the one making things happen, whether he appears onscreen or not.

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

but this scene is different (I used to thought it's continues swimming/wet scene, but here Rey has new hairstyle and maybe isn't wet at all), it is definitely later in the movie, maybe when Kylo is already there. there is smoke I guess, maybe camp-fire:



I'm not so sure about Luke's scene, but Rey's scenes are definitely different and I'm very interested when will be second one, and if there is Kylo too