Discussion: TLJ Movie Spoilers/Rumors

vaderito wrote:

LesCousinsDangereux wrote:  

Well, on the balance of probablity, 1 force ghost is much more likely than 3. I personally feel 3 would be too many (an overkill! ) Not saying that is it not possible. But based on what we know so far - there is nothing that indicates that for some reason 3 force ghosts are needed storywise - I will go with only 1 force ghost.

@LesCousinsDangereux

Actually no. There's bigger probability that there are 2 or 3 because of previous movies. Calling just 1 is bold and likely induced by something tangible. Calling 2 or 3 is not, it's "can't decide which one to keep and which one to lose to appear like I know something".

@vaderito

Yeah, the three would be like the ROTJ grouping. Going with one is riskier IMO.

Reyloismine also said they have a cave scene. The Cave is one of these tracks.

ZioRen wrote:I'm going to assume the one Force ghost is Yoda. Since we've had other things where people accidentally spilled the beans about that.

@ZioRen

Yeah, I believe there were rumors (leaks?) that Frank Oz was seen on set, as well as a Yoda puppet. They may have been separate rumors.

She is legit. It's just that we Reylos are cautious by nature but she is legit.

She is the one who said there was not a kiss, but lots of UST? Shirtless scene of Kylo?

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:Reyloismine also said they have a cave scene. The Cave is one of these tracks.

@FrolickingFizzgig

The cave is also emphasized in the VD. If there are people still thinking that Reyloismine might have just seen the VD early.

Birdwoman wrote:She is the one who said there was not a kiss, but lots of UST? Shirtless scene of Kylo?

@Birdwoman

She basically said she was happy with Reylo but to manage expectations and that both antis and Reylos would be happy about something by the end of the movie. Which sounds ominous.

Though I wonder if the "manage expectations" bit is just about the fact that there's no kiss. Which most Reylo shippers I've seen assumed would be the case anyways.

ZioRen wrote:

Birdwoman wrote:She is the one who said there was not a kiss, but lots of UST? Shirtless scene of Kylo?

@Birdwoman

She basically said she was happy with Reylo but to manage expectations and that both antis and Reylos would be happy about something by the end of the movie. Which sounds ominous.

Though I wonder if the "manage expectations" bit is just about the fact that there's no kiss. Which most Reylo shippers I've seen assumed would be the case anyways.

@ZioRen

I think it might have been the kiss. She started off with that sparkling eyed porg, so she seemed pretty pleased.

vaderito wrote:She is legit. It's just that we Reylos are cautious by nature but she is legit.

@vaderito

What makes you so sure?

all this fake or not fake or semi-fake leaks are messing with my mind and start to stressing me out.

I'll believe the story after the first of us seen it on December 13th or 14th

We'll get real info after the premiere on the 9th, probably. If we're still skeptical, I think Rachael (swnonsense on Tumblr and Scavenger's Hoard podcast host) is seeing it on the 12th and we can certainly trust her if she chooses to give us the rundown.

50 people on site! 34 of which are guests! Haha!

ZioRen wrote:We'll get real info after the premiere on the 9th, probably. If we're still skeptical, I think Rachael (swnonsense on Tumblr and Scavenger's Hoard podcast host) is seeing it on the 12th and we can certainly trust her if she chooses to give us the rundown.

@ZioRen

we'll get it on 11th too. ViewerAnon has shows a proof that he's seeing it on 11th and he was reliable in the past.

@night Huntress Unlike fake leaks her corroborated. At least some things, we are to see about 1 Force Ghost.

vaderito wrote:

ZioRen wrote:We'll get real info after the premiere on the 9th, probably. If we're still skeptical, I think Rachael (swnonsense on Tumblr and Scavenger's Hoard podcast host) is seeing it on the 12th and we can certainly trust her if she chooses to give us the rundown.

@ZioRen

we'll get it on 11th too. ViewerAnon has shows a proof that he's seeing it on 11th and he was reliable in the past.

@vaderito

The same guy said that someone might give him the scoop after the premiere on the 9th too, didn't he?

ZioRen wrote:

vaderito wrote:

ZioRen wrote:We'll get real info after the premiere on the 9th, probably. If we're still skeptical, I think Rachael (swnonsense on Tumblr and Scavenger's Hoard podcast host) is seeing it on the 12th and we can certainly trust her if she chooses to give us the rundown.

@ZioRen

we'll get it on 11th too. ViewerAnon has shows a proof that he's seeing it on 11th and he was reliable in the past.

@vaderito

The same guy said that someone might give him the scoop after the premiere on the 9th too, didn't he?

@ZioRen

yep!

vaderito wrote:

ZioRen wrote:

vaderito wrote:

ZioRen wrote:We'll get real info after the premiere on the 9th, probably. If we're still skeptical, I think Rachael (swnonsense on Tumblr and Scavenger's Hoard podcast host) is seeing it on the 12th and we can certainly trust her if she chooses to give us the rundown.

@ZioRen

we'll get it on 11th too. ViewerAnon has shows a proof that he's seeing it on 11th and he was reliable in the past.

@vaderito

The same guy said that someone might give him the scoop after the premiere on the 9th too, didn't he?

@ZioRen

yep!

@vaderito

That's lovely! But getting the details from a fellow Reylo is a lot different than getting them from a general viewer. As we now know, we tend to see beyond what most people do in these movies.  

Rei of Sunshine wrote:50 people on site! 34 of which are guests! Haha!

@Rei of Sunshine

Look how many views are on this thread. LOL. Hiya, lurkers! No shade, since I lurk in a few places myself to get those hot deets. 

I think she said manage your expectations in that not everything is all rainbows and sunshine. I didn't see her say anything about anti's being happy, nor did I see her say anything about there not being a kiss. I saw someone was sent an anonymous about there not being a kiss. I don't always trust anonymous. Anyway, did I miss a tweet from our tumblr friend, did she delete? I think there is a lot of the telephone game going on with the spoilers and lots of people receiving messages about people saying they saw the movie.

I just want to point out the following:

Nowhere in VD it is said that Reylo has the Force Bond. What they have does not have a name and is referred to as "the strange connection through the Force". So while it looks like FB, it likely isn't since they don't call it FB. It's something new that has no name cause nobody had it. Therefore, different rules apply that may be similar to FB ones but not the same.

IMO, the connection is Two Sides of the Prime Jedi (Symbol). Together, they create "prime jedi" hence the connection. It isn't familial and it isn't master/apprentice. It's new.

ZioRen wrote:

Rei of Sunshine wrote:50 people on site! 34 of which are guests! Haha!

@Rei of Sunshine

Look how many views are on this thread. LOL. Hiya, lurkers! No shade, since I lurk in a few places myself to get those hot deets. 

@ZioRen

vaderito wrote:I just want to point out the following:

Nowhere in VD it is said that Reylo has the Force Bond. What they have does not have a name and is referred to as "the strange connection through the Force". So while it looks like FB, it likely isn't since they don't call it FB. It's something new that has no name cause nobody had it. Therefore, different rules apply that may be similar to FB ones but not the same.

IMO, the connection is Two Sides of the Prime Jedi (Symbol). Together, they create "prime jedi" hence the connection. It isn't familial and it isn't master/apprentice. It's new.

@vaderito

Here's the full quote:

As Rey's abilities increase, so does a strange and seemingly unprecedented connection in the Force that spans across the Galaxy to unite Kylo Ren and Rey. The bond is powerful, and gives Rey insights into Ren that not even Skywalker can see.

...which reads to me like Reylos came pretty damn close to the truth with their Force Bond predictions. In fact, this is any generic Reylo fanfic I've read, ever. You need to give yourselves more credit for coming up with this 2 years ago.

Regarding the last information we got from both the last spot and the visual dictionnary:

1) OMG! That shot of Rey holding Kylo's lightsaber is so amazing! I immediately thought to the TFA moment and that Clone Wars scene where Anakin gives Padme his lightsaber saying that this weapon is his life

2) @Skystar, amazing comparison between "Peace and purpose" and "Pride and Prejudice" regarding the soundtrack. That makes me think if War and Peace by Tolstoi

3) Leia will apparently get injured in the course of the movie, probably during the evacuation. However, we do know thanks Daisy that she and Rey will share a scene by the very end of the movie, probably the shot we've seen once in a BTS footage

4) It is also confirmed by the visual dictionary that Kylo Ren does lead the battle of Crait

5) Look at this picture representing the yin yang on Ahch-To. Am I the only one that sees a form that looks strangely like...


Snoke???

   

teltaru wrote:

vaderito wrote:I just want to point out the following:

Nowhere in VD it is said that Reylo has the Force Bond. What they have does not have a name and is referred to as "the strange connection through the Force". So while it looks like FB, it likely isn't since they don't call it FB. It's something new that has no name cause nobody had it. Therefore, different rules apply that may be similar to FB ones but not the same.

IMO, the connection is Two Sides of the Prime Jedi (Symbol). Together, they create "prime jedi" hence the connection. It isn't familial and it isn't master/apprentice. It's new.

@vaderito

Here's the full quote:

As Rey's abilities increase, so does a strange and seemingly unprecedented connection in the Force that spans across the Galaxy to unite Kylo Ren and Rey. The bond is powerful, and gives Rey insights into Ren that not even Skywalker can see.

...which reads to me like Reylos came pretty damn close to the truth with their Force Bond predictions. In fact, this is any generic Reylo fanfic I've read, ever. You need to give yourselves more credit for coming up with this 2 years ago.

@teltaru

I thought the Force Bond was pretty straight forward in the VD, with very little room for interpretation.  I keep making jokes about this, but it seems that Rian has written and directed a EXTREMELY HIGH BUDGET Reylo fic.  Probably 80% of the fanfics I read, especially in the early days, had them meeting this way in the beginning.

As far as the sound track goes, I think it's likely fake.  For one, half those titles are atrocious.  Not Rey, Luke, nor Kylo has a title, yet Phasma does, and it's called Chrome Dome at that?    Also, if you do a comparison to the TFA soundtrack, they are night and day as far as quality is concerned.  If the TLJ one was authentically John William's, the differences in quality wouldn't be that apparent.  

There's also other hints, like the word "and" being in italic on the real one, and not on the TLJ one, etc.

Anyone who has access to a print shop can make up what's shown in the photo in an hour or two, so I don't think it having a jacket automatically makes it legit.  I was quite relieved to discover these findings, tbh.

@IoJovi It seems to me that they don't call it FB because it's something different. It looks like FB but they obivously don't want the term back in canon or whatever. They are introducing new lore with these two characters so I bet that their connection/bond is not your run-of-the-mill FB that Jedi can have.

I mena, it sure is FB but RAWPOWAH Edition. or Prime Jedi Edition. So anyone who tries the last breath spin that it means siblings is going to hate TLJ. Time to Accept. it's been 2 years, staying locked up in Denial phase is embarrassing.

@Reylo1992 But isn't Snoke supposed to be pretty?

LOL, if Snoke is PJ it;'s gonna be hilarious of Rey and Kylo are two sides of Snoke like they were supposed to be two sides of Anakin!

vaderito wrote:@IoJovi It seems to me that they don't call it FB because it's something different. It looks like FB but they obivously don't want the term back in canon or whatever. They are introducing new lore with these two characters so I bet that their connection/bond is not your run-of-the-mill FB that Jedi can have.

I mena, it sure is FB but RAWPOWAH Edition. or Prime Jedi Edition. So anyone who tries the last breath spin that it means siblings is going to hate TLJ. Time to Accept. it's been 2 years, staying locked up in Denial phase is embarrassing.

@vaderito

Same definition, different name.  Even if they call it something different, the trope is the same.  Rey and Kylo come into contact with one another through a connection in the Force, that connection grows stronger.  He then finds her in Ach-To because of this 'bond'.  The only thing I'm not expecting that is a frequent plot point in fics is for her to accidentally see him showering, or.....doing something else...