Episode IX and Sequel Trilogy General Discussion

giaciak2 wrote:@SW_Heroine_Journey @MrsWindu @special_cases Hi REYLOS, Thank you for share yours opinions! Reylo heart is very big and full of HOPE!

MrsWindu wrote:

Starliteprism wrote:Echoing with underwater theme and death Star 2 art from The Art of Star Wars The Force Awakens...can see concepts and ideas being shifted for TROS

@Starliteprism

Apparently those were the concept art pieces being referred to.



https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1116871392853512193?s=21

EDIT

I just reread the blurb under the ‘Falcon Underwater’ that you also show a pic of - that would be pretty amazing too

giaciak2 wrote:Hi guys, I had an illumination.
I don't know where to put my thoughts but this is a point of general discussion and so I'll put it here.

I was waiting for the title to be translated into Italian and French.

Well now I've seen it with my own eyes: Ascension. The same meaning is used in French.

I went to look for the meaning of the word. I've always noticed that names and surnames in Star Wars often have more than one meaning.

In other parts of the forum, I mentioned that in SW I always saw references to the New Age philosophy and the Gnostic myth. The Gnostic myth that I saw, however, is not pure, it has always seemed to me a nice mixture of Christian and Eastern Gnosticism.

Let's go back to the word: Ascension.

Here in the vocabulary this word has 3 meanings.

1) The most famous is religious, linked to death and resurrection of Jesus.
My first idea was therefore Ben Solo will sacrifice himself and die for "Ascend to heaven" having accomplished his saving mission. This part also coincides with my Gnostic idea. But what hope would there be for Rey who has always lived alone waiting for someone?

Note that the meaning of "Ascension" is also known in Islam. The prophet also ascended into heaven, knew Moses and Jesus, and finally Allah and then "went back down" to earth.

2) The second meaning refers to an ascent like an elevation, a climb, and can be used to indicate a mountaineer who climbs a mountain.

3) The third meaning is astronomical. The right ascension of a planet is the angular distance between the point of intersection between the celestial equator and the ecliptic corresponding to the spring equinox. It is a very interesting phenomenon if this point in the cosmos must represent the meeting point between two planets in the same orbit. If you remember the Jedi books are full of astronomical treatises.

Finally I add another meaning that is New Age.

In the new age field "ascension" represents an avolutive growth, but if we go as far as its alchemical meaning, then the meaning becomes the possibility of accessing abilities present genetically in us, but not usable without a superior knowledge. The highest point of this ascent is the conscious achievement of other dimensions.

If related to this the fact that in the book of Thrawn, released in December, speaks of "Skywalker" as a term to indicate people -with Force precognition- who can cross the space - then, I think we are close to the trought.

In essence, I think the word "Ascent" means all these 4 possibilities together.

Therefore, in my hypothesis, Rey and Ben are the two navigators (the two Sky - warlkers) who have crossed ages and space to bring peace to the galaxy. The first Sky - walker Shimi , lost her memory.

Always in my theory, taking inspiration from the Gnostic myth and from the Platonic man. The navigators - sky walkers - are created in pairs of opposites, and complementary ones like the Gnostic Aeons. Male and Female, intended to be completed.

In my opinion Padmé was a navigator of the stars. His opposite was Anakin who - born in human and mortal remains - to bring balance - together with Padme.

Padme fails and decides to leave. In fact there is no explanation, she dies but does not die in childbirth and does not die because Anakin choked her. I have always thought that Padmé decides to die because, by now, his partner is lost in the dark side. He will be redeemed by his son and, as the Force is omniscient, and knows it, Padmè is resumed.

Meanwhile Anakin has lost his way, the Force calls him two sons to help and Luke manages to restore the balance, but a secular enemy is always in sharp jeers. In the Gnostic myth it would be the demiurge. In this case it is called Palpatine. Be it a living being or a spirit. However, the spirit of absolute evil remains. The material evil.

In gnosis, the two opposites are not wicked and corrupt, so the masculine represents the uncorrupted power and physical strength, its symbol is fire, as the feminine represents love and wisdom and its symbol is water . ONLY TOGETHER THEY ARE COMPLETE.

Ben Solo is corrupted by the evil one (demiurge = whoever he is evil). In this hypothesis of mine, the Force sends Rey to the earthly world to help Ben Solo fulfill the prophecy of the predestined.

If my hypothesis is true Rey is the platonic half of Ben, his half apple, and this is as true for her as for him.

I expect Ben Solo to redeem himself by dying and as he completes his grandfather's task, the Force makes him come back to life as Ben Solo.

Just a man: Ben. Only in this way, Rey would not be alone and his half "came back for her" - as promised.

PLEASE -SORRY MY ENGLISH!

What do you think? Opinions?

LadyGaufrette wrote:

OrionStars wrote:Hey guys, I have a question, with Palpy is back on the menu, does that mean Rey Palpatine/Rey is Palpy's granddaughter is possible too?

@OrionStars

I don't know the answer, but this theory certainly got revived. That, and the theory that Palpatine created Rey with the Force, like Anakin.

Forsythia wrote:I rewatched TFA and noticed Rey watching the "eclipse" on Starkiller Base looks very similar to the ship leaving in her Force vision.



Interestingly, both scenes are followed by Rey meeting Kylo in the snowy forest. Maybe all of the vision scenes that show a grown-up Rey are visions from the future. We never see little Rey with the leaving ship, it's grown-up Rey watching it happen. Maybe that's not her parents' ship, young Rey is looking at something else (her parents leaving on foot or on a speeder - they died on Jakku after all) and it's just a clever cut to adult Rey watching the ship leave is a future scene from episode IX. Could this be Rey watching her friends leave her behind on a sand planet (it reminds me a bit of Luke watching the Falcon leave Hoth in ESB), and the first scene of the teaser is Kylo picking her up afterwards?

Starliteprism wrote:

Forsythia wrote:I rewatched TFA and noticed Rey watching the "eclipse" on Starkiller Base looks very similar to the ship leaving in her Force vision.



Interestingly, both scenes are followed by Rey meeting Kylo in the snowy forest. Maybe all of the vision scenes that show a grown-up Rey are visions from the future. We never see little Rey with the leaving ship, it's grown-up Rey watching it happen. Maybe that's not her parents' ship, young Rey is looking at something else (her parents leaving on foot or on a speeder - they died on Jakku after all) and it's just a clever cut to adult Rey watching the ship leave is a future scene from episode IX. Could this be Rey watching her friends leave her behind on a sand planet (it reminds me a bit of Luke watching the Falcon leave Hoth in ESB), and the first scene of the teaser is Kylo picking her up afterwards?

@Forsythia @DeeBee

I've always noticed the rectangle shape of both scenes as it closes.
Another thought, in the TROS trailer, the item that Rey is carrying, do you think it's a breathing apparatus for going in the water, or some tech that is holding some vital information. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a scene in which she does go underwater, is in the process of drowning, sees that same scenario, light closing out, but Kylo Ben comes BACK to save her. In the very least, I think we will see the rectangular light shape again in some capacity (One for my bingo card!).

Starliteprism wrote:@DeeBee

Sounds like portal traveling to me? Hmm. So, maybe in Rebels when Ezra went into the World Between Worlds, it's not really time travel(as Filoni has spoken about a few times), but doorways into past, present and future.

Dave Filoni wrote:
"I don't really think of it as time travel. It's not really a thing where you go through one door and out another in a different time," Filoni shared. "The world between worlds is really about knowledge and gaining knowledge. As the Dume wolf says, what's in there is knowledge and destruction. You can gain knowledge of the future or futures that may happen, and you can see things that happened in the past. You can at times choose to alter them, but it's perilous to do so and when you alter something you don't know if that's not the way it always happened. So destruction is the other half of what's in there."

"When you go through these doorways, you're in peril of destruction because you're missing all sorts of things that would have happened or things would've happened otherwise, you know, so it's a dangerous game but it's not something we're here going in and out of different doors," Filoni confirmed. "It's an extension of the Jedi's ability to perceive the future and the past, as described in Empire Strikes Back."

LadyGaufrette wrote:

Starliteprism wrote:@DeeBee

Sounds like portal traveling to me? Hmm. So, maybe in Rebels when Ezra went into the World Between Worlds, it's not really time travel(as Filoni has spoken about a few times), but doorways into past, present and future.

@Starliteprism

About World Between Worlds, in the Rebels panel of Celebration, Filoni compared the place to two things,
- the Wood between the Worlds from Narnia,
- I think he suggested it was a place inside Ezra's mind (which would explain why people needed him to enter), he even quoted Dumbledore, "because it is in your mind doesn't mean it's not real". Futhermore, the place is tied to the Mortis episodes which also looked like an event happening in the trio's mind.

So I don't think the theory of time travel can be used with this.
I'll even suggest that Rey's vision in TFA is a form of travel in the WbW already.

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Forsythia wrote:I rewatched TFA and noticed Rey watching the "eclipse" on Starkiller Base looks very similar to the ship leaving in her Force vision.



Interestingly, both scenes are followed by Rey meeting Kylo in the snowy forest. Maybe all of the vision scenes that show a grown-up Rey are visions from the future. We never see little Rey with the leaving ship, it's grown-up Rey watching it happen. Maybe that's not her parents' ship, young Rey is looking at something else (her parents leaving on foot or on a speeder - they died on Jakku after all) and it's just a clever cut to adult Rey watching the ship leave is a future scene from episode IX. Could this be Rey watching her friends leave her behind on a sand planet (it reminds me a bit of Luke watching the Falcon leave Hoth in ESB), and the first scene of the teaser is Kylo picking her up afterwards?

Atenais wrote:

Forsythia wrote:I rewatched TFA and noticed Rey watching the "eclipse" on Starkiller Base looks very similar to the ship leaving in her Force vision.



Interestingly, both scenes are followed by Rey meeting Kylo in the snowy forest. Maybe all of the vision scenes that show a grown-up Rey are visions from the future. We never see little Rey with the leaving ship, it's grown-up Rey watching it happen. Maybe that's not her parents' ship, young Rey is looking at something else (her parents leaving on foot or on a speeder - they died on Jakku after all) and it's just a clever cut to adult Rey watching the ship leave is a future scene from episode IX. Could this be Rey watching her friends leave her behind on a sand planet (it reminds me a bit of Luke watching the Falcon leave Hoth in ESB), and the first scene of the teaser is Kylo picking her up afterwards?

@Forsythia

I've never noticed that. It's really interesting. I really love how Rey's visions become reality, with some changes. It's like a dream, when we dream about real things, but these things are distorted in the dream. I found I like this ST more and more. Kudos to you, for your eagle eyes.

motherofpearl1 wrote:It looks like it.
Another thing.....others have pointed this out, so I'm not taking credit for it. The brief bit in the teaser for TroS shows Kylo cutting down a guy in a helmet who looks very much like the one he speared to save Rey in her vision in TFA. I couldn't help but think that the scenes in her vision featuring Kylo are all 'future' visions.
I've also got a funny feeling regarding Kylo's helmet. Whoever it is repairing it doesn't seem to be Kylo. So .....what if the person wearing the mask in TroS isn't Kylo after all?
Probably bonkers!

SoloSideCousin wrote:

Atenais wrote:

Forsythia wrote:I rewatched TFA and noticed Rey watching the "eclipse" on Starkiller Base looks very similar to the ship leaving in her Force vision.



Interestingly, both scenes are followed by Rey meeting Kylo in the snowy forest. Maybe all of the vision scenes that show a grown-up Rey are visions from the future. We never see little Rey with the leaving ship, it's grown-up Rey watching it happen. Maybe that's not her parents' ship, young Rey is looking at something else (her parents leaving on foot or on a speeder - they died on Jakku after all) and it's just a clever cut to adult Rey watching the ship leave is a future scene from episode IX. Could this be Rey watching her friends leave her behind on a sand planet (it reminds me a bit of Luke watching the Falcon leave Hoth in ESB), and the first scene of the teaser is Kylo picking her up afterwards?

@Forsythia

I've never noticed that. It's really interesting. I really love how Rey's visions become reality, with some changes. It's like a dream, when we dream about real things, but these things are distorted in the dream. I found I like this ST more and more. Kudos to you, for your eagle eyes.

@Atenais

There is something about that ship.  I need to compare with something that I saw in the teaser.

Maybe this has all been discussed and I am late to the party, but is this ship the same kind of ship that is flying away from Rey?