Why Finn and Rey are an awesome duo, of friends!

AnneNeville wrote:IMHO, shipping actors in their real lives is rather distasteful. Well, extremely distasteful. And tacky and invasive. I hope that people hear Daisy's message here.

Yea it really is and it makes no sense because it isn't the story.
FinnRey may think they are shipping the characters, but they are shipping the actors together more. They think that Daisy and John being close is indication of the characters being together.
Apparently when Daisy and John went to the Empire awards, Daisy was fighting with her boyfriend and had her dad escort her instead or they broke up or something like that. Of course this was being relished upon but it really isn't cool. Breakups aren't fun and Daisy doesn't seem like the sort to go running for a new boyfriend straight away. It's bizarre

Little_Boots wrote:

AnneNeville wrote:IMHO, shipping actors in their real lives is rather distasteful. Well, extremely distasteful. And tacky and invasive. I hope that people hear Daisy's message here.

Yea it really is and it makes no sense because it isn't the story.
FinnRey may think they are shipping the characters, but they are shipping the actors together more. They think that Daisy and John being close is indication of the characters being together.
Apparently when Daisy and John went to the Empire awards, Daisy was fighting with her boyfriend and had her dad escort her instead or they broke up or something like that. Of course this was being relished upon but it really isn't cool. Breakups aren't fun and Daisy doesn't seem like the sort to go running for a new boyfriend straight away. It's bizarre

All of this. Shipping real people trend needs to stop but the trend is especially bizarre and off putting in this case.

Also, deleted scene had "your FRIEND is going to be fine" line so beating the "they are FRIENDS" drum continues.

About the actor shipping - that's another point I really, really admire about Adam Driver. I'm pretty old-fashioned irl about marriage, and the fact that he mentions being married whenever someone from the fairer sex flirts or even compliments him is really sweet. Remarkably, he also attempts to keep his wedding ring on as often as possible. He's even wearing it in some of his photoshoots. Sympathy +1

I still feel like I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Finn/Rey might be the endgame. It’s true that they’re not space opera material, but I think that a character like Finn is very much a “happily ever after” material, you know, the good guy a girl settles down with. There might not be any fireworks or sexual chemistry, just a relationship built on strong affection. It would IMO be a pretty gutless and conventional choice, but I can see the writers unable to resist writing a happy romantic ending for Rey, even if she goes through some kind of Reylo turmoil first.

The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

Saracene wrote:I still feel like I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Finn/Rey might be the endgame. It’s true that they’re not space opera material, but I think that a character like Finn is very much a “happily ever after” material, you know, the good guy a girl settles down with. There might not be any fireworks or sexual chemistry, just a relationship built on strong affection. It would IMO be a pretty gutless and conventional choice, but I can see the writers unable to resist writing a happy romantic ending for Rey, even if she goes through some kind of Reylo turmoil first.

The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

I thought that too. I actually thought that they could do a reversal and make the overly kind Luke Skywalkerish Finn be end game only because maybe no one will expect it because Rey clearly has more chemistry with Kylo.
I'm still holding out on Reylo being end game. However, all these "friend" quotes could take a turn and become "more than friends" although, my gut is telling me they are not going to go there.
I have been thinking today about the scars. Kylo gave Finn one first and Rey then gave Kylo one. I wonder if this is symbolic or something. I dunno.

Saracene wrote:
The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

I actually think that Finn wasn't well thought out cause the writers spend more time thinking about Kylo. Finn doesn't have his own purpose or goal in TFA, he helps the narrative move along. I agree Finn could have been more interesting. Heck, had they watched some Clone Wars, with all the stuff with the clones, that could have given them some inspiration. How can 20 minute cartoons have better development about clones (comparable to brainwashed soldiers) is beyond me.

So my theory is that Finn is what Finn is, he's just there to be liked and charismatic, to help the movie roll along. And he is charismatic, he's a very relatable character, but he has no depth. Anyways, of course one dimensional characters can have love lives, and Finn could have been written as this nice one dimensional nice guy who is the companion to the hero. But I don't think so. Kasdan and JJ are more competent than that, and they know how to establish romance in movies (Well, we know that...).

Anyways, when we claim that there's no chemistry between Finn and Rey, I don't think it's that it's a potential couple gone wrong due to ineffective script, acting or directing. I don't think that's the case. All the people involved, including the actors, are competent. I think that is a direction they chose to go, a "friends only" direction. I don't think that there is a potential romance there. Maybe what we have is a red herring case, when he seems interested and wants to impress her from the get go. And this theory is partly based on Reylo, I think they want to surprise the audience, but surprise needs misdirection, so Finn as the potential LI, Rey as the Skywalker is familiar enough, before they embark on weird, new territory (according to many claims by actors and directors).

I have hope for better things for Finn in the next episode, now that he’s got a chance of his own storyline and even has his own personal nemesis in Phasma. One of the biggest problems with the Starkiller attack was that none of the characters we spent decent amount of time with was involved in it; Poe is cool and all but he disappeared for the large chunk of the running time and kinda lost momentum after his excellent introduction. There’s a bigger conflict going on other than the Force/Jedi stuff, and it needs a human face; Finn I think will be it.

Saracene wrote:I have hope for better things for Finn in the next episode, now that he’s got a chance of his own storyline and even has his own personal nemesis in Phasma. One of the biggest problems with the Starkiller attack was that none of the characters we spent decent amount of time with was involved in it; Poe is cool and all but he disappeared for the large chunk of the running time and kinda lost momentum after his excellent introduction. There’s a bigger conflict going on other than the Force/Jedi stuff, and it needs a human face; Finn I think will be it.

Lol, maybe Finn will end up with Phasma!
Ya know as bizarre as everything is, I can see Phasma becoming one of the good guys

Saracene wrote:I still feel like I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Finn/Rey might be the endgame. It’s true that they’re not space opera material, but I think that a character like Finn is very much a “happily ever after” material, you know, the good guy a girl settles down with. There might not be any fireworks or sexual chemistry, just a relationship built on strong affection. It would IMO be a pretty gutless and conventional choice, but I can see the writers unable to resist writing a happy romantic ending for Rey, even if she goes through some kind of Reylo turmoil first.

The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

[EDIT: Let's not talk about other shipping communities, thanks - Airemyn]

So, no, they are not going to be the endgame cause there's nothing in the story to support it, nothing in film language to support it and we are beaten over the head with word "friends" in the movie, deleted scenes and DR interviews. They won't go from friends to romance. They are not Will and Elizabeth of POTC, for example, where set up was for romance from first scene. They were never friends. Finnrey are 100% friends because any romantic tension is absolutely absent from their scenes both narratively (clicked within 3 seconds, no obstacles not even obligatory poor/rich, she wasn't even angry with him when he confessed - a moment that should have earned some tension but didn't, etc) and as film language (all scenes filmed matter of fact, nothing stands out from cinematography and camera angle POV, no choker shots for emphasizing intimacy).

There's no reason for Reylos to be so cautious about Reylo expectations. Reylo's the endgame. There may be another endgame (FinnTran) but Reylo is one.

P.S. This isn't mean to be the endgame?



Riiight. Believe, people. Believe.

I agree @vaderito !

Yeah, Finn Rey is not established with visuals, music, nothing. FinnRey has no basis in fairy tales and SW is fairy tale in space. I know there are stories where a protagonist has an epic love story and a safe second choice, but why then didn't they develop FinnRey more, at least the basis for something? It's not there. If it's not there, it's for a reason.

Yeah, ok they spend alone time together, they like each other, but it's not romantic, cinematically speaking. And hey, portraying a positive male female friendship is pretty cool as well!

Unless TPTB decided to change the story, I don't see how Finn and Rey can be end game. You don't just put a pedestrian love story in Star Wars, it makes no sense.

And I don't think claiming that FinnRe is red herring is contradictory. It's red herring because of the marketing and the amount of time they spend together, but the movie itself doesn't confirm FinnRey as romantic. It's like Finn being FS, it was a red herring from Marketing, the movie doesn't confirm it. Yeah, while perhaps he might be revealed to be FS in the future, he isn't in TFA. How do we know he's not FS in TFA? He holds a lightsaber, right? Well, it's the way his scenes work, they are completely different from a FS wielding a lightsaber, for instance, and he has no other signs of being FS (except very subtle stuff that may or may not be revealed). So FinnRey is like Finn being FS, while it might seem to be the case, it's not in the film, and FinnRey cause more debate cause romance is so subtle.

vaderito wrote:

Saracene wrote:I still feel like I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Finn/Rey might be the endgame. It’s true that they’re not space opera material, but I think that a character like Finn is very much a “happily ever after” material, you know, the good guy a girl settles down with. There might not be any fireworks or sexual chemistry, just a relationship built on strong affection. It would IMO be a pretty gutless and conventional choice, but I can see the writers unable to resist writing a happy romantic ending for Rey, even if she goes through some kind of Reylo turmoil first.

The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

[EDIT: Let's not talk about other shipping communities, thanks - Airemyn]

So, no, they are not going to be the endgame cause there's nothing in the story to support it, nothing in film language to support it and we are beaten over the head with word "friends" in the movie, deleted scenes and DR interviews. They won't go from friends to romance. They are not Will and Elizabeth of POTC, for example, where set up was for romance from first scene. They were never friends. Finnrey are 100% friends because any romantic tension is absolutely absent from their scenes both narratively (clicked within 3 seconds, no obstacles not even obligatory poor/rich, she wasn't even angry with him when he confessed - a moment that should have earned some tension but didn't, etc) and as film language (all scenes filmed matter of fact, nothing stands out from cinematography and camera angle POV, no choker shots for emphasizing intimacy).

There's no reason for Reylos to be so cautious about Reylo expectations. Reylo's the endgame. There may be another endgame (FinnTran) but Reylo is one.

P.S. This isn't mean to be the endgame?



Riiight. Believe, people. Believe.

This so much this. I don't consider myself a shipper because Reylo is the RELATIONSHIP tHat TFA is actually focused on. FINNREY are friends that is all they will ever be. How many times can JJ hit the audience over the head with it. He practically uses a sledge hammer. The scene right before Finn is friendzoned is the scene where CP30 sees the map R2D2 has provided and says, " Luke, my friend, how I have missed you"

This sums up perfectly the dynamic between Finn and Rey:





http://senatorgana.tumblr.com/post/141632147116

vaderito wrote:

Saracene wrote:I still feel like I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Finn/Rey might be the endgame. It’s true that they’re not space opera material, but I think that a character like Finn is very much a “happily ever after” material, you know, the good guy a girl settles down with. There might not be any fireworks or sexual chemistry, just a relationship built on strong affection. It would IMO be a pretty gutless and conventional choice, but I can see the writers unable to resist writing a happy romantic ending for Rey, even if she goes through some kind of Reylo turmoil first.

The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

[EDIT: Let's not talk about other shipping communities, thanks - Airemyn]
So, no, they are not going to be the endgame cause there's nothing in the story to support it, nothing in film language to support it and we are beaten over the head with word "friends" in the movie, deleted scenes and DR interviews. They won't go from friends to romance. They are not Will and Elizabeth of POTC, for example, where set up was for romance from first scene. They were never friends. Finnrey are 100% friends because any romantic tension is absolutely absent from their scenes both narratively (clicked within 3 seconds, no obstacles not even obligatory poor/rich, she wasn't even angry with him when he confessed - a moment that should have earned some tension but didn't, etc) and as film language (all scenes filmed matter of fact, nothing stands out from cinematography and camera angle POV, no choker shots for emphasizing intimacy).

There's no reason for Reylos to be so cautious about Reylo expectations. Reylo's the endgame. There may be another endgame (FinnTran) but Reylo is one.

P.S. This isn't mean to be the endgame?



Riiight. Believe, people. Believe.

Agreed. Like I (and many others) have said before, if FinnRey is indeed meant to be endgame, the writers were incredibly incompetent on at least two counts.

One: they failed to build up any romantic tension between Finn and Rey. The tension doesn't have to be antagonism at all; but it needs to be something. A romantic arc needs tension - there's no story in two people being comfortable with each other. I think this is partly the reason why it appeals to certain people. There's no story in this romance, therefore, it wouldn't interfere with the rest of the plot at all (which would presumably be just space battles and lightsaber fights and stuff). It would just be.

Two: as if this weren't enough, they dropped a far more exciting and dramatic dynamic in the middle of this, one that's positively fraught with tension.

So, not only is the FinnRey dynamic an uneventful non-story (though there was potential for more of a story at first!), it was set up to compete with the explosiveness of Reylo. And in terms of sheer drama and story arc potential, it simply doesn't stand a chance.

My complaint regarding Finn is his inconsistency....I blame it on writing...or maybe I do have a theory that could explain it....first he feels bad to kill the Tuanul villagers (who were armed)...then he escapes with Poe, killing storm troopers he grew up with and not regretting it even slightly....then he befriends Rey...but is ready to leave her at Maz's castle and go with the Crimson Corsair to the Outer Rim....then again he kills more storm troopers and is rescued by the resistance (and Poe)...then he jeopardizes the lives of the people who saved his life- Poe, Han, Chewie and the rest of the resistance to save Rey....not to mention throwing Phasma in the trash compactor where she could easily die (the same Phasma who protected him from Hux in the Before the Awakening Novel)...and then there is his cheerful attitude....after living on a diet of synthsust, propaganda and combat, he seems extremely cheerful for a brainwashed child soldier.

Now one way they could explain this inconsistency is if he is a sleeper agent for the FO (and he himself is unaware of it) and somewhere in the sequel, he unwittingly sabotages the resistance....maybe he himself is horrified at his actions but it would explain the inconsistency of his nature....and then in the second half he does something really heroic and saves the day....I just feel there needs to be some explanation beyond bad writing for Finn's character.

When I went to the theater, I thought Fin and Rey were the romantic pairing but I saw no romantic chemistry...just best friends. And if I didn't see the mind blowing chemistry between Rey and Kylo, I would have attributed it to Lucasfilm not wanting a repeat of the PT fiasco and avoiding romance altogether.

@Darth Dingleberry

One: they failed to build up any romantic tension between Finn and Rey. The tension doesn't have to be antagonism at all; but it needs to be something. A romantic arc needs tension - there's no story in two people being comfortable with each other. I think this is partly the reason why it appeals to certain people. There's no story in this romance, therefore, it wouldn't interfere with the rest of the plot at all (which would presumably be just space battles and lightsaber fights and stuff). It would just be.

Two: as if this weren't enough, they dropped a far more exciting and dramatic dynamic in the middle of this, one that's positively fraught with tension.

So, not only is the FinnRey dynamic an uneventful non-story (though there was potential for more of a story at first!), it was set up to compete with the explosiveness of Reylo. And in terms of sheer drama and story arc potential, it simply doesn't stand a chance.

Finn and Rey are complete non-event as a potential romance because writers clearly don't want them to be one.
[EDIT: Let's not talk about other shipping communities, thanks - Airemyn] Therefore, they are not going to be ST romance. Romance will be Rey and Kylo cause they are made for people who love good romance and they picked up on romantic clues right away.

You know something, I know what argument to use against accusations of racism when we don't see Rey and Finn as a romantic pairing.

Well, is anyone accused of being racist because they watched TFA and believe Finn is not Force Sensitive? Usually no. (I agree that unfortunately, sometimes yes).

People say Finn is not force sensitive because he was not presented as FS in TFA. Nothing to do with race. Now, yeah, sure, perhaps Finn might still show force sensitivity in a future movie, some people do see signs that he might be FS, but as of now, we can't claim Finn is FS.

Same thing with Finn and Rey as romantic. I didn't see any signs of it. Now, yes, the romantic side could be developed later, but why hold it, why not start it in TFA? It doesn't make sense from a storytelling perspective.

The same doesn't hold true for Force Sensitivity. If by any chance Finn is FS, they would wait and develop his awakening in another movie. And it looks like Finn will have time away from Rey to develop his own story arc. If there's any force sensitivity in his story, it's the good time to present it.

Finn and Rey were color blind characters in the casting call.
[EDIT: Let's not talk about other shipping communities, thanks - Airemyn]

vaderito wrote:Finn and Rey were color blind characters in the casting call. If they cast, lets say, DR and Jesse Plemmons, nobody would care about Finnrey because SJ Agenda, that's the only driving force behind this non-event non-start, ship would be gone. They were never meant to be romantic couple no matter who got cast.

[EDIT: Let's not talk about other shipping communities, thanks - Airemyn] Finn is the tipical average/nice guy, and I can see how viewers identify with him. Hopefully he'll have an interesting story and all this desperation for him to be Rey's LI will stop.

With Plemmons as Finn, people could still claim people were shipping Reylo because of Kylo's hair. But, you know, that's partially true, but it wasn't us, fangirls, who did his hair. His hair was done that way for a very precise effect. It's in the movie!

The topic about compassion and Finn being let go by Ren was proven to be true by someone on the redemption forum there. They quoted the book. (Of course it is in the film too)
The topic they were against vigorously was proven to them just now. The mod posted Lets get back on topic please
Not too long after and no one responded to that person.

Saracene wrote:I still feel like I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Finn/Rey might be the endgame. It’s true that they’re not space opera material, but I think that a character like Finn is very much a “happily ever after” material, you know, the good guy a girl settles down with. There might not be any fireworks or sexual chemistry, just a relationship built on strong affection. It would IMO be a pretty gutless and conventional choice, but I can see the writers unable to resist writing a happy romantic ending for Rey, even if she goes through some kind of Reylo turmoil first.

The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

To be honest, what debunks Finnrey more than any Reylo argument written so far is Boyega's very own statement. I feel like Kelly's character is going to play an important part for his own, it would definitely explain his excitement: http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/30/star-wars-episode-viii-john-boyega-teases-the-new-star-of-episode-8-5783531/ Just my opinion of course.

Rimfaxe96 wrote:

Saracene wrote:I still feel like I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Finn/Rey might be the endgame. It’s true that they’re not space opera material, but I think that a character like Finn is very much a “happily ever after” material, you know, the good guy a girl settles down with. There might not be any fireworks or sexual chemistry, just a relationship built on strong affection. It would IMO be a pretty gutless and conventional choice, but I can see the writers unable to resist writing a happy romantic ending for Rey, even if she goes through some kind of Reylo turmoil first.

The frustrating thing with Rey and Finn is that their potential romance didn’t have to be so unexciting, if only they treated Finn’s supposed background with any kind of seriousness and made him a troubled person that he realistically should be, instead of a joyful ball of sunshine that’s immediately trusted by everyone he meets. His past could have been a source of real tension, but nope it’s insta-friendship and maximum likeability from word go. It’s like, if they remade A New Hope TFA-style, everyone would be best mates after flying the Falcon and Han would agree to rescue Leia at once, instead of first acting like a selfish a** who has to be bribed pretty much.

To be honest, what debunks Finnrey more than any Reylo argument written so far is Boyega's very own statement. I feel like Kelly's character is going to play an important part for his own, it would definitely explain his excitement: http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/30/star-wars-episode-viii-john-boyega-teases-the-new-star-of-episode-8-5783531/ Just my opinion of course.

"New star". Yep, I'm not buying that Kelly's role was reduced at all.

One of KMT's friends was saying on social media that Kelly's role was going to be groundbreaking for Asian American actors, or something in that vein. Make of that what you will.

Duh. @Sforza is vindicated again. Guess who said it first, "I think her role is going to be bigger and more important than expected"? Reylo spy in Dubrovnik.

Yeah, I never bought role reduction. Go FinnTran.

Sorry, the correct wording was "huge step forward for Asian American actors". Either way, it doesn't sound like a tiny role, as people on certain forums are expecting.

(source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BB0BqVbQIuM/ )

Darth Dingleberry wrote:Sorry, the correct wording was "huge step forward for Asian American actors". Either way, it doesn't sound like a tiny role, as people on certain forums are expecting.

(source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BB0BqVbQIuM/ )

And lets not forget Boyega's own statement in the Ellen interview that he's not playing romance in TFA.

The argument that he said that cause the romance would only start later makes no sense. Are Finn's attempts to impress Rey the beginning of a romance or not? According to Boyega, nope, no beginning of a romance.

People who like FinnRey claim that he was referring to TFA alone, but still, it means that the time spent with Rey, the hand holding, the forehead kiss are not romance, at least not according to Boyega.

vaderito wrote:Duh. @Sforza is vindicated again. Guess who said it first, "I think her role is going to be bigger and more important than expected"? Reylo spy in Dubrovnik.

Yeah, I never bought role reduction. Go FinnTran.

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