Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

Lily Snape wrote:

rey09 wrote:

nana7marie wrote:@arlath_ma has just posted another vague and encouraging tweet:

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@nana7marie

omg guys remember when last trailer for 8 came out and we all freaking eXpLoDeD after kylo hand scene. I was screaming and jumping up and down. Dear God wonder what gem they are giving us in this one.

@rey09

Silly Reylos. That hand was actually Hux’s. Duh.

snufkin wrote:Oh look at that image, what on Earth could it possible resemble?


Speaking of "what does it resemble?" finally realized why I keep getting Deja Vu for Dark Rey. Rian used the Pressberger and Powell movie Black Narcissus as an influence for the Ache-to scenes and looks like JJ's running with it because Dark Rey's dress and makeup along with the shot is 100% meant to look like Sister Ruth reveal as her darkest self



No idea what it means for TRoS other than it makes it more likely in my mind that Dark Rey isn't a vision but something which actually happens. In Black Narcissus, Sister Ruth's transformation is shown visually in her changing appearance (nun's habit to wearing fashionable clothing & lipstick to black clad wraith) over the course of letting out the deepest wishes and jealousy/desire/rage she's been keeping bottled up inside of her. I don't think this means that Rey goes darkside or falls into madness as much as it means she's going to finally let out everything she's been holding in. Especially whatever happened with her parents which left her abandoned and alone on Jakku as a child.

What's interesting about this is that Rian and the production team talked about this movie as an influence for the Ache-to part of the story (ostensible sacred place which is actually setting for psychological/psychosexual drama), especially in the Art of The Last Jedi book. You could also definitely see the influence of other Pressburger and Powell films, The Red Shoes and Tales from Hoffmann, on the Throne Room scene and proposal. So JJ and the production team picked up that ball and are still running with it in TRoS - which referencing Sister Ruth for Dark Rey is brilliant & now I'm even more curious how that moment will play out.



@nickandnora I think there's a fair chance given the # of times they've shown a theme of "parents sacrifice themselves to ensure survival/a better future for their children" theme (which includes also teachers and even Qi'ra's sacrifice to protect Han) which has been shown over the course of all three trilogies and the mirroring between characters that we may find out something like her parents abandoned her and then were murdered by the people they were trying to protect her from. Hard to say definitely yet since they've also shown that Han was abandoned by his father, who was an alcoholic (but that abandonment in turn eventually prompts him trying to save Ben). But if they want to have a thread to tie Rey into the larger picture of what's going to be revealed as the Emperor's long con over the course of the entire Saga/3 trilogies, my best guess is that it'll have to do with whatever destroyed her family. Whether or not the Emperor is her granddad (or potentially evil suitor) is irrelevant IMO - the actor playing him has said he thinks of the character as Iago so he's there to try to tempt/manipulate her to take her out as an opponent and get what's he's after.

californiagirl wrote:I guess it depends on where you're looking. My feed loves her, other people don't. What's really representative of the whole? Who knows. Have just learned that they weren't allowed to add her into the early designs until recently, so she's not in the first wave but will be coming in a later wave.

It had been giving the impression they were deliberately taking her out of things that originally had her in, Jenny did a good thread on it. https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1180209933154840576

motherofpearl1 wrote:Doesn't surprise me that JP isn't a Reylo his leaks are shooting it down.
Regarding Ben being slowly'corrupted', he's been through too much to be 100% Ben Solo ever again. He'll always be part Kylo.

I too want Dark Rey to be real....I actually think that just as Kylo will have to accept Rey isn't going to love a man who'd let her friends de then she has to accept all of Kylo/Ben, which will be easier if she truly experiences the 'dark'. If it's revealed as a vision it'll be a cop out.

And does anyone know when the new trailer drops?

motherofpearl1 wrote:Doesn't surprise me that JP isn't a Reylo his leaks are shooting it down.
Regarding Ben being slowly'corrupted', he's been through too much to be 100% Ben Solo ever again. He'll always be part Kylo.

I too want Dark Rey to be real....I actually think that just as Kylo will have to accept Rey isn't going to love a man who'd let her friends de then she has to accept all of Kylo/Ben, which will be easier if she truly experiences the 'dark'. If it's revealed as a vision it'll be a cop out.

And does anyone know when the new trailer drops?

Saracene wrote:

californiagirl wrote:I guess it depends on where you're looking. My feed loves her, other people don't. What's really representative of the whole? Who knows. Have just learned that they weren't allowed to add her into the early designs until recently, so she's not in the first wave but will be coming in a later wave.

It had been giving the impression they were deliberately taking her out of things that originally had her in, Jenny did a good thread on it. https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1180209933154840576

@californiagirl

Well sure, we can only offer our own anecdotal evidence about the character's popularity, but I'm pretty sure that a giant company like Disney has an entire department devoted to tracking and analysing the responses and data, toy sales etc.?

rey09 wrote:

nana7marie wrote:@arlath_ma has just posted another vague and encouraging tweet:

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@nana7marie

omg guys remember when last trailer for 8 came out and we all freaking eXpLoDeD after kylo hand scene. I was screaming and jumping up and down. Dear God wonder what gem they are giving us in this one.

Teo oswald wrote:The stormtroopers captured Rey omg read this I’m dead





This isn’t a fanfiction I repeat this isn’t a fanfiction it’s canon !!

look this pictures , so damn cool, they are a beautifull match!!!

MaddieDove wrote:

Teo oswald wrote:The stormtroopers captured Rey omg read this I’m dead





This isn’t a fanfiction I repeat this isn’t a fanfiction it’s canon !!

look this pictures , so damn cool, they are a beautifull match!!!

@Teo oswald

Are these images official?
If yes, it's really great to see them together, canonically marketed as a power couple. Even after TLJ I was gaslighted on forums for even imagining their pairing. I almost, almost forgive them for having Kylo masked in this phase, could you imagine these same pictures with his face open!

nana7marie wrote:@motherofpearl1
@SW_Heroine_Journey

I’ve seen rumours about Oct 14th or... Oct 7th. I lean towards Oct 14th, I’m honestly not ready for the day after tomorrow .

californiagirl wrote:@Saracene It's one thing if they push her less than they did for TLJ, but to cut her out of things she was supposed to be in just a short time, having alternate versions with or without her, and cutting her out of group pictures seems like more than just a concern over money. It honestly looks rather targeted, and paranoid, and a bit sloppy, like they can't decide what to do or how to do it. Like not a reasonable, "oh, this character isn't very popular," but rather like marketing is utterly terrified of invoking her, like the mouse house will fall down around their ears for her being present in the slightest. I hope Jannah/Naomi doesn't suffer a similar fate post-TROS.

motherofpearl1 wrote:It's a shame that so many people didn't like her character.
Frankly I loved her, but it was largely due to Kelly - if it wasn't for her warm and friendly performance she might have been irritating. Rose was the heart of the movie for me. If you look closely at the characters all of them made mistakes. A lot of male viewers moaned that the women were 'oerfect', while the men were made to look like fools, but the women were equally flawed. Holdo made the mistake of humiliating Poe - I know he could be an idiot, but she didn't have to ridicule him further, Leia had already done that by demoting him. Rey was too impulsive - she attacked Luke when he turned his back on her, and although a lot of people disagree with me I still think Rey should never have reached for that lightsabre.
Rose started off as a fanatic - I didn't blame any of the Resistance for jumping ship, that was being human, they didn't deserve to be branded traitors for being afraid.
But at the end of the film Rose had learned the most powerful message of all. Life is more important than glory. And stronger than hate. If Kelly is to have a smaller role, I hope it's one that counts.

motherofpearl1 wrote:It's a shame that so many people didn't like her character.
Frankly I loved her, but it was largely due to Kelly - if it wasn't for her warm and friendly performance she might have been irritating. Rose was the heart of the movie for me. If you look closely at the characters all of them made mistakes. A lot of male viewers moaned that the women were 'oerfect', while the men were made to look like fools, but the women were equally flawed. Holdo made the mistake of humiliating Poe - I know he could be an idiot, but she didn't have to ridicule him further, Leia had already done that by demoting him. Rey was too impulsive - she attacked Luke when he turned his back on her, and although a lot of people disagree with me I still think Rey should never have reached for that lightsabre.
Rose started off as a fanatic - I didn't blame any of the Resistance for jumping ship, that was being human, they didn't deserve to be branded traitors for being afraid.
But at the end of the film Rose had learned the most powerful message of all. Life is more important than glory. And stronger than hate. If Kelly is to have a smaller role, I hope it's one that counts.