ARCHIVE: Rey and Kylo - Beauty and the Beast, Scavenger and the Monstah, Their Bond, His Love, Her Confused Feelings - 4

snufkin wrote:OK next question. Some of us were discussing how Finn asks Rey "did he hurt you?" and she never directly answers, which parallels a little the brief goofy/wistful look Ren gets when Hux makes his snide "guurl" comments. So if they were in each other's minds and picking up personal information feelings, besides maybe Ren knowing that Finn lied to her about being with the Resistance, does he also know the reason why she came to BB-8's defense? Because that was a plea from a small creature about being alone and scared and her whole motivation in fighting that corner is protecting him. That seems like something he'd immediately pick up on and another reason why he immediately takes to her.

@snufkin

There could be something to that; Kylo doesn't approve of taking children from their families for the stormtrooper program.

I remember reading somewhere that the title for ep VIII would be released in May....could it be true?

Mana wrote:I remember reading somewhere that the title for ep VIII would be released in May....could it be true?

@Mana

We need to find out when TFA title was announced...
Get your Google fingers ready!!

Xylo Ren wrote:

Mana wrote:I remember reading somewhere that the title for ep VIII would be released in May....could it be true?

@Mana

We need to find out when TFA title was announced...
Get your Google fingers ready!!

@Xylo Ren

When its released, I doubt we'd have to do much searching to find it

ep 7 title was released November 2014

According to Google, seems like the title was announced in Nov 2014 so about a year before the movie came out

Xylo Ren wrote:According to Google, seems like the title was announced in Nov 2014 so about a year before the movie came out

@Xylo Ren

they might wait until principal photography is complete for ep. 8 before releasing the title...

Mana wrote:

Xylo Ren wrote:According to Google, seems like the title was announced in Nov 2014 so about a year before the movie came out

@Xylo Ren

they might wait until principal photography is complete for ep. 8 before releasing the title...

@Mana

I wonder when that will be. I read recently that Girls had table readings of the first four episodes recently (don't remember where) so I assume that will go into production sometime soon. I guess AD will be commuting a lot again.

AnneNeville wrote:

Mana wrote:

Xylo Ren wrote:According to Google, seems like the title was announced in Nov 2014 so about a year before the movie came out

@Xylo Ren

they might wait until principal photography is complete for ep. 8 before releasing the title...

@Mana

I wonder when that will be. I read recently that Girls had table readings of the first four episodes recently (don't remember where) so I assume that will go into production sometime soon. I guess AD will be commuting a lot again.

@AnneNeville

I have a feeling it'll be announced at the end of this year, or the beginning of next year...

@Mana I meant I wonder when the principal photography will be complete.

Probably will have to wait until December to get anything substantial.

Until then social media crumbs.

So I just met a new friend today, who is a casual movie goer and have not watch Star Wars yet. We have a nice talk and then we started to talk about Star Wars. I show him the movie on my computer and he immediately picked up the weird chemical between Kylo and Rey, he even notice the heart eyes himself.

So at the end, I explain to him about Kylo's parentage and ask if Kylo deserve to die after killing Han, and this is his answer, :" It would be anti-climactic to have a guy who is originally good and then turn bad, just to be killed later on. His lineage is too important and he's deserve a second chance.

Also he don't think Rey's a Skywalker or have any blood related with Kylo, -"That's just worst" he said

AnneNeville wrote:@Mana I meant I wonder when the principal photography will be complete.

@AnneNeville

oh...yeah, If the actors have a lot of other commitments then it might be a while. Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley will be pretty busy.

Darth Dementor wrote:

snufkin wrote:OK next question. Some of us were discussing how Finn asks Rey "did he hurt you?" and she never directly answers, which parallels a little the brief goofy/wistful look Ren gets when Hux makes his snide "guurl" comments. So if they were in each other's minds and picking up personal information feelings, besides maybe Ren knowing that Finn lied to her about being with the Resistance, does he also know the reason why she came to BB-8's defense? Because that was a plea from a small creature about being alone and scared and her whole motivation in fighting that corner is protecting him. That seems like something he'd immediately pick up on and another reason why he immediately takes to her.

@snufkin

There could be something to that; Kylo doesn't approve of taking children from their families for the stormtrooper program.

@Darth Dementor

As BB-8 would say, "Yep!" Plus if he feels like he was abandoned by his adult caretakers as a child, he can't really be mad at somebody who interfered with his plans because she was protecting something small, scared, and vulnerable that asked for her help.

Can someone post the line that says that Kylo hates Hux's program that takes/brainwashes kids?

@vaderito He says "perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using an army of clones" after implying the troopers aren't well-trained. So it only really hints at him hating the system on principle.

BastilaBey wrote:@vaderito He says "perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using an army of clones" after implying the troopers aren't well-trained. So it only really hints at him hating the system on principle.

@BastilaBey

I see. I thought there was more in the books.

@vaderito This is the section that we see in the film. There might be another somewhere else in the book, but I can't remember it.

"Hux turned away from the trooper's holofile. He respected Ren and his abilities, but he was not afraid of him. One did not rise to the task of general in the forces of the first order by showing fear.

"I won't have you questioning my methods."

"What methods would those be, General? Those that allow a single common trooper to free an important prisoner from confinement, escort him to an operating hangar, and assist him in fighting his way to freedom? What methods teach such expertise? Obviously, at least some of your troops are skilled at high treason. Perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using an army of clones."

It was with great difficulty that Hux restrained himself. "My men receive exceptional instruction. They are programmed from birth to be loyal to one another, to their officers, and to the Order. The appearance of a single abnormality does not give you the right to question methods that have been refined through long -"

Ren interrupted the general's impassioned defense. "Keeping the map out of the hands of the Resistance shouldn't be a problem, then. Yes?"

"Again, this map. Which for all I know may or may not even exist."

It's very very obvious that Kylo hates Hux and vice versa.

Hux describing Ren: "Self-centered, arrogant, indifferent to the interests of others."

Ren on Hux: "slimy sycophant"

vaderito wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:@vaderito He says "perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using an army of clones" after implying the troopers aren't well-trained. So it only really hints at him hating the system on principle.

@BastilaBey

I see. I thought there was more in the books.

@vaderito

The novelazation doesn't mention explicitly he's against it but it does give more of his POV concerning the FO and The Republic:

''It is the task of the First Order to remove the disorder from our existense, so that civilization may be returned to the stability that promotes prgress.A stability that existed under the Empire,was reduced to anarchy by the Rebellion,was inherited in turn by the so called Republic,and will be restored by us.Fiture historians will look upon this as the time when a strong ahnd brought the rule of law back to civilization.''

Thank you. That doesn't strike me as distaste for stealing children. He simply thinks that the program is a liability cause obviously high treason happened. It's different with blowing up planets where he showed opposition and book is very explicit about it.

Ren's a complex cat. It puzzles me a little to realize he objects to blowing up planets but orders a village slaughtered. I understand a village has fewer people than a planet, but the difference seems arbitrary. If he's opposed to blowing up a mass amount of people on principle it follows he wouldn't order a village full of people slaughtered arbitrarily. So what was it about the Jakku village that pissed him off just enough? Being linked with LST? Because somehow I also can't quite buy that LST's remark about his family was what set him on murder. Kylo wasn't having a bad day until FN-2187 went AWOL. Kylo and LST must have problematic history.

@meadowofashes Pablo tweeted that Lor San Tekka had been helping Luke learn more about the history of the force - I can't remember exact phrasing, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out Kylo had disagreements with Lor and Luke about force philosophy/ how it should be used politically. IMO, the Jakku villagers are a plot device simply to show how callous and dark Kylo is at the beginning to contrast with him by the end of the movie. I don't think we're really supposed to care about them beyond seeing him as a straight up villain in that moment.

In the novel, Leia is supposed to have been on Hosnian prime when it gets blown up, but she ended up sending a representative instead. Could be that Kylo objects to the idea of her death as opposed to caring about the Republic itself.

vaderito wrote:Thank you. That doesn't strike me as distaste for stealing children. He simply thinks that the program is a liability cause obviously high treason happened. It's different with blowing up planets where he showed opposition and book is very explicit about it.

@vaderito

One doesn't exclude the other. It could be for both reasons, stated, he's against it.

MeadowofAshes wrote:Ren's a complex cat. It puzzles me a little to realize he objects to blowing up planets but orders a village slaughtered. I understand a village has fewer people than a planet, but the difference seems arbitrary. If he's opposed to blowing up a mass amount of people on principle it follows he wouldn't order a village full of people slaughtered arbitrarily. So what was it about the Jakku village that pissed him off just enough? Being linked with LST? Because somehow I also can't quite buy that LST's remark about his family was what set him on murder. Kylo wasn't having a bad day until FN-2187 went AWOL. Kylo and LST must have problematic history.

@MeadowofAshes

It could be that slaughtering the village = just doing his job to him too. Dealing with death on a daily basis makes you compartmentalize quite a bit so that could be, like, a Tuesday for him (as terrible as that sounds). Whereas blowing up an entire planet that he has a personal connection to is a bigger thing that he can view objectively because that's Hux's job, if that makes any sense.

MeadowofAshes wrote:Ren's a complex cat. It puzzles me a little to realize he objects to blowing up planets but orders a village slaughtered. I understand a village has fewer people than a planet, but the difference seems arbitrary. If he's opposed to blowing up a mass amount of people on principle it follows he wouldn't order a village full of people slaughtered arbitrarily. So what was it about the Jakku village that pissed him off just enough? Being linked with LST? Because somehow I also can't quite buy that LST's remark about his family was what set him on murder. Kylo wasn't having a bad day until FN-2187 went AWOL. Kylo and LST must have problematic history.

@MeadowofAshes

Kylo's order to slaughter the Tuanul villagers is inexcusable, however, I think the "reasons" for it from his POV could also be LST being there (and 'the truth that is your family' comments) but ALSO the Tuanul villagers' connection to the Church of the Force (presumably followers of the light side of the Force). According to the VD, "Tuanul village in Jakku houses a collective of worshippers who praise the virtues of the force without being graced by the ability to wield it." I think in Rey's story (book) it's indicated that the village is ruthless with intruders and they are armed.

Perhaps Kylo dislikes the a Church of the Force or sees them as a problem? According to the VD, LST is also a follower of the Church of the Force and has helped the New Republic and the Resistance. He wants the Jedi to return, so it's likely the Church of the force wants this too. I also heard/read that LST assisted Luke in finding Jedi lore and artifacts.

@Kessel89 Agree, his killing isn't excusable to the audience but unless he's a moustache-twirling nutcase (and we know he's not) he has to have his own reasoning. That explanation makes the most sense to me. The only other one I could think of was if he was already on orders to do so, but LST and village being CotF and being invested in the "traitorous" Resistance makes more sense to me. Death to traitors is a common mentality in the US and many other places, so that perspective isn't unheard of. He's wrong, of course, but from his perspective he isn't. Also, I don't have a copy of the Visual Dictionary so thanks for referencing!