ARCHIVE: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors - 10

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:Pablo says he doesn't know anything about the Official Star Wars Annual. I would think the story group would have some awareness of it if it had been run past them.

Anyway, I go by what's in the movies. The official novelisations and such have thrown up too many discrepancies. When it comes to Reylo, or anything else for that matter, it is best to go with what is on screen. I do think we are on safer ground with novels like Bloodline and the Aftermath series, but I'm treating the rest with caution.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:Pablo says he doesn't know anything about the Official Star Wars Annual. I would think the story group would have some awareness of it if it had been run past them.

Anyway, I go by what's in the movies. The official novelisations and such have thrown up too many discrepancies. When it comes to Reylo, or anything else for that matter, it is best to go with what is on screen. I do think we are on safer ground with novels like Bloodline and the Aftermath series, but I'm treating the rest with caution.

Little_Boots wrote:If I upset anyone I am sorry.

ZioRen wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:Pablo says he doesn't know anything about the Official Star Wars Annual. I would think the story group would have some awareness of it if it had been run past them.

Anyway, I go by what's in the movies. The official novelisations and such have thrown up too many discrepancies. When it comes to Reylo, or anything else for that matter, it is best to go with what is on screen. I do think we are on safer ground with novels like Bloodline and the Aftermath series, but I'm treating the rest with caution.

@Mrs Ben Solo

It's worth being careful, yeah. And being curious about validity is definitely not about denouncing a headcanon that isn't ours. Remember how we tore apart those pictures of "Adam and Daisy" together in an embrace before antis even noticed? And that supported Reylo totally. The first question people tend to ask here about this stuff is "is that official".

Though sometimes if it isn't, we can still get something out of how the author may have seen things. That comes into play a lot with Reylo because it's about seeing that other people seeing some of what we see. I think that's why most of us were happy with LEGO Star Wars, even if it isn't canon.

Little_Boots wrote:

MeadowofAshes wrote:@"Little_Boots I do agree with the general sentiment that people should not put expectations or stigmas on a character due to race, but in the States it's an incredibly sensitive issue especially given the current socio-political climate. I don't go into the theatre looking for stereotypes but when something I am bombarded with on the news constantly (the stereotype of a black man being tazed while accused of thievery, whether guilty or innocent) shows up in a film I'm going to notice and wonder what TPTB were thinking.

Just today I had to discipline a 12 year old student for saying the N word not once but twice, laughing and saying it again to his friends because he got into trouble for it the first time. This sort of thing didn't happen when I was a student - back then it had become socially unacceptable to be blatantly racist so if you were you were awfully quiet about it. But thinking racism against people of color is somehow funny or acceptable just because you're in a room full of white people has become a thing with my students recently and I have my guesses as to why. Again, I don't think the character choices with Finn were at all intentionally racist, but those stereotypes aren't something we need perpetuated and Americans on that artistic team should have had the wherewithal to realize that.

@MeadowofAshes

I understand that it is an issue, and I am not heartless when I say people should just go into the cinema and forget all this stuff. Unfortunately, this is something that won't go away over night. Hopefully one day this sort of problem will go away. It also works both ways. I don't like to watch the news because I find it depressing. This thing with Finn is very tame (if there is anything to see which I don't) when you compare it to something like........I don't know......Blazzing Saddles? Yea I know, it's an old comedy. You'll only see this stuff in Star Wars if you chose to see it. Ugh. I am digging a hole now. Whereas something like Blazzing Saddles drums it into your head all the way throughout the film.

IoJovi wrote:

ZioRen wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:Pablo says he doesn't know anything about the Official Star Wars Annual. I would think the story group would have some awareness of it if it had been run past them.

Anyway, I go by what's in the movies. The official novelisations and such have thrown up too many discrepancies. When it comes to Reylo, or anything else for that matter, it is best to go with what is on screen. I do think we are on safer ground with novels like Bloodline and the Aftermath series, but I'm treating the rest with caution.

@Mrs Ben Solo

It's worth being careful, yeah. And being curious about validity is definitely not about denouncing a headcanon that isn't ours. Remember how we tore apart those pictures of "Adam and Daisy" together in an embrace before antis even noticed? And that supported Reylo totally. The first question people tend to ask here about this stuff is "is that official".

Though sometimes if it isn't, we can still get something out of how the author may have seen things. That comes into play a lot with Reylo because it's about seeing that other people seeing some of what we see. I think that's why most of us were happy with LEGO Star Wars, even if it isn't canon.

@ZioRen

Even though it wouldn't have made a lick of sense story-wise, I was torn apart when we debunked the Reylo embrace photo. That said, it IS very curious how MSW immediately jumped to that conclusion, and they're not even ahippers. We're already aware they're holding stuff back. So why the quick jump to conclusion?

ZioRen wrote:I can see why people might be up in arms about him being comic relief, but I have no problem with that as long as he is a fleshed out character in his own right. Though I have issues with his characterization and think many parts of it were sloppy, he has that potential. He was the easiest character to connect with, in my opinion, while Rey was too competent and good. And if VIII is any indication, he's getting a hero story in his own right, which is great. He's the second protagonist, and he's getting a plot that isn't about Rey and her Force Sensitivity. That's exciting to me, and I have no desire to see him be Force Sensitive. Force sensitive doesn't equal important. In fact, I think the characters who don't have it but are still heroic against the intense, mystical-powered odds are more compelling in this particular universe (I always liked Han better than Luke, for example). He's our everyman, and I like him for it.

vaderito wrote:

Little_Boots wrote:If I upset anyone I am sorry.

@Little_Boots

Boots, you are not American and you don't have to care about American things, OK? We here think that everyone should care about our problems but, nope, the world doesn't and they are right. The world has their own problems and ours aren't relatable to them any more than theirs are relatable to us. So just enjoy movies which are more and more made for global market and not for US only, especially big blockbusters cannot survive without foreign markets due to overblown budgets and marketing costs.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

Little_Boots wrote:

MeadowofAshes wrote:@"Little_Boots I do agree with the general sentiment that people should not put expectations or stigmas on a character due to race, but in the States it's an incredibly sensitive issue especially given the current socio-political climate. I don't go into the theatre looking for stereotypes but when something I am bombarded with on the news constantly (the stereotype of a black man being tazed while accused of thievery, whether guilty or innocent) shows up in a film I'm going to notice and wonder what TPTB were thinking.

Just today I had to discipline a 12 year old student for saying the N word not once but twice, laughing and saying it again to his friends because he got into trouble for it the first time. This sort of thing didn't happen when I was a student - back then it had become socially unacceptable to be blatantly racist so if you were you were awfully quiet about it. But thinking racism against people of color is somehow funny or acceptable just because you're in a room full of white people has become a thing with my students recently and I have my guesses as to why. Again, I don't think the character choices with Finn were at all intentionally racist, but those stereotypes aren't something we need perpetuated and Americans on that artistic team should have had the wherewithal to realize that.

@MeadowofAshes

I understand that it is an issue, and I am not heartless when I say people should just go into the cinema and forget all this stuff. Unfortunately, this is something that won't go away over night. Hopefully one day this sort of problem will go away. It also works both ways. I don't like to watch the news because I find it depressing. This thing with Finn is very tame (if there is anything to see which I don't) when you compare it to something like........I don't know......Blazzing Saddles? Yea I know, it's an old comedy. You'll only see this stuff in Star Wars if you chose to see it. Ugh. I am digging a hole now. Whereas something like Blazzing Saddles drums it into your head all the way throughout the film.

@Little_Boots

But Blazing Saddles was a satire which sought to expose the absurdity of prejudice. It's like the show Family Guy. I cringe at some of it but the stuff they put in there is meant to expose how ridiculous certain stereotypes and preconceptions are. Like you can laugh at it if you're totally ignorant and just see surface stuff or you can appreciate the ironies and satire on a deeper level.

Saracene wrote:

ZioRen wrote:I can see why people might be up in arms about him being comic relief, but I have no problem with that as long as he is a fleshed out character in his own right. Though I have issues with his characterization and think many parts of it were sloppy, he has that potential. He was the easiest character to connect with, in my opinion, while Rey was too competent and good. And if VIII is any indication, he's getting a hero story in his own right, which is great. He's the second protagonist, and he's getting a plot that isn't about Rey and her Force Sensitivity. That's exciting to me, and I have no desire to see him be Force Sensitive. Force sensitive doesn't equal important. In fact, I think the characters who don't have it but are still heroic against the intense, mystical-powered odds are more compelling in this particular universe (I always liked Han better than Luke, for example). He's our everyman, and I like him for it.

@ZioRen

Finn's got a room to grow, much more so than Rey IMO. I think the discrepancy between his personality and his background will always rub me wrong because that makes a character somewhat false at the core, but I do look forward to him becoming more heroic. Which can’t happen if he was introduced in TFA as already heroic and capable.

ZioRen wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:Pablo says he doesn't know anything about the Official Star Wars Annual. I would think the story group would have some awareness of it if it had been run past them.

Anyway, I go by what's in the movies. The official novelisations and such have thrown up too many discrepancies. When it comes to Reylo, or anything else for that matter, it is best to go with what is on screen. I do think we are on safer ground with novels like Bloodline and the Aftermath series, but I'm treating the rest with caution.

@Mrs Ben Solo

It's worth being careful, yeah. And being curious about validity is definitely not about denouncing a headcanon that isn't ours. Remember how we tore apart those pictures of "Adam and Daisy" together in an embrace before antis even noticed? And that supported Reylo totally. The first question people tend to ask here about this stuff is "is that official".

Though sometimes if it isn't, we can still get something out of how the author may have seen things. That comes into play a lot with Reylo because it's about seeing that other people are seeing some of what we see. I think that's why most of us were happy with LEGO Star Wars, even if it isn't canon.

IoJovi wrote:@vaderito fantastic idea about lightning the mood, and you picked an absolutely stunning way to do it.  LOVE those!!!  

vaderito wrote:

Little_Boots wrote:If I upset anyone I am sorry.

@Little_Boots

Boots, you are not American and you don't have to care about American things, OK? We here think that everyone should care about our problems but, nope, the world doesn't and they are right. The world has their own problems and ours aren't relatable to them any more than theirs are relatable to us. So just enjoy movies which are more and more made for global market and not for US only, especially big blockbusters cannot survive without foreign markets due to overblown budgets and marketing costs.