ARCHIVE: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors - 1

by nonesuch Sun 27 Mar 2016, 12:32 pm

Mod edit: this is now the place to discuss all spoilers and rumors relating to the Sequel Trilogy.

Hey peeps! I was nonesuch on JCF, and am starwarsnonsense on tumblr. It's nice to see a sanctuary for these kinds of discussions. I wanted to create a thread to discuss the Reddit rumour that has been doing the rounds, since it's one of the more interesting rumours, is Reylo relevant and actually has some support from third-party sources. The substance of the rumour is below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/3xtld8/i_have_read_a_very_early_storyboard_for_episode/]https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/3xtld8/i_have_read_a_very_early_storyboard_for_episode/

Plot A would progress in this order
Luke tells Rey what happened during the fall of his academy.
Kylo Ren is growing in power. He possesses a skill for manipulating the force that has never been seen. Snoke senses this and aims to replace Kylo with Rey, and plans to use Kylo to do it.
Luke trains Rey in the ways of the Force.
Rey confronts the spiritual test of the darkness within herself.
Kylo murders Snoke, having known all along Snoke was aiming to replace him before he grew powerful enough to overtake him, and declares himself ruler of the First Order. There is a slight rift among the troopers in whether they will follow Kylo or Hux.
Rey leaves against Luke’s wishes to confront Kylo. The B plot of the story is what drives her out.
Kylo Ren and Rey fight again. There is an underlying sense of attraction between the two. Kylo Ren is much, much stronger than he was in their last fight. He beats Rey and reveals he spared her life in the temple purge and left her on Jakku. He again beckons her to join him. This time, the result of that offer is left up in the air.

Plot B progresses in this manner
Captain Phasma has placed a substantial bounty on Finn’s head.
She and Hux are relentlessly searching the Galaxy for the Resistance.
They find the Resistance base and decimate it with an impressive land assault.
Finn and Poe meet a refugee and the three of them spend most of the story evading bounty hunters and the First Order.
Finn falls for the refugee. Head over heels.
On a planet that’s essentially the Las Vegas of the Galaxy, the refugee turns on Finn and Poe and collects the bounty on their heads.
They are captured and tortured on this planet.
It’s here that Rey and Kylo fight.
Finn manages an escape but Poe is captured and sent to what is essentially maximum security for the First Order.
That’s the first treatment.

Other tidbits include the mention that the Galaxy is absolutely war torn right now with no leadership and many systems just fending for themselves.
Del Toro will play a bounty hunter.
Luke refuses to join the fight on either side. This upsets Leia
Kylo Ren will kill an officer for mentioning the scar on his face.

Again, early treatment, but expect it to unfold fairly close.

Now, reasons to believe this is BS include (though are not limited to):

- It's from Reddit.
- Pablo's timeline seems to exclude the possibility of Kylo sparing Rey from the academy attack.
- It's very evocative of ESB.
- It's from Reddit.

More intriguingly, however, there are reasons why it has credence:

- A recent Making Star Wars report (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/star-wars-episode-viiis-fear-loathing-in-space-vegas/) says that VIII will feature a casino, and suggests a space Las Vegas vibe (the same language as that used in the Redit rumour).
- A Latino Review report (http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-wars-laura-dern-and-leia-in-episode-viii) (later supported by MSW (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/star-wars-episode-viii-poes-clothes-description-plus-info-on-the-dernleia-situation/)) claims that the resistance has virtually been eliminated, matching the Reddit report's claim that the Resistance is decimated.
- The Reddit rumour's claim of a romance between Finn and Tran's character would match reports from Dubrovnik indicating that they share a space pony ride, and would also align with separate casting reports indicating that Tran had to have good chemistry with Boyega.
- The Reddit rumour was posted in January, long before either of the other rumours or any reports of filming in Dubrovnik (i.e. it wasn't based on astute observation of the set photos).

So, what do you think? Do you like the sounds of this? How plausible do you find it? I'm aware that some Reylo shippers are uncomfortable with this rumour and hope it won't come to fruition. While I'm intrigued by this and can see it working well, I welcome all perspectives on this, so feel free to let me know your takes/interpretations.

by Darth_Awakened Sun 27 Mar 2016, 12:53 pm

Yeah, I must admit how it is very much in coincidence with the reports from Dubrovnik.

On the other hand Jedi Academy stuff is suspicious. I am pretty sure now that Rey was definitely already on Jakku while Jedi academy thing happened (whatever it was)

by vaderito Sun 27 Mar 2016, 12:57 pm

@Nonesuch

Yay! This rumor deserves separate thread so it's great that you made it.

OK, this is what I think has happened: rumor guy knows something and what he knows is almost 100% accurate. Stuff like Planet Casino and attack on resistance base can be from a story board.

However, I think that, in his desire to appear that he knows everything about the movie, he filled in the blanks with what he thinks is most logical and fitting. Hence big blunder about Kylo's reveal to Rey which was debunked. And Pablo doesn't seem like a liar.

Also, so far, only elements from Plot B have proven right. Casino, Resistance, possible romance between Finn and Tran.

Kylo's reveal to Rey sounds like "I guess there will be a twist cause ESB so lemme come up with most logical twist".

Kylo's growing powers sound like he read debunked concept art from some Italian site that had under Kylo picture "more powerful than ever".

So it's a mixed bag but it looks like he's heard something.

Also, Reddit person posted leaked draft for Civil War way before movie started shooting and now it's obvious that match up is quite striking. There are many changes but also many great guesses that seem like he actually read it rather than used good intuition.

by ISeeAnIsland Sun 27 Mar 2016, 12:58 pm

My gut feeling is that whoever leaked this did see something, but a lot of it seems made up.

I do agree that the Las Vegas/B Plot seems to jive pretty well with what we've heard so far. (Although it sounds like KMT will likely be playing a Resistance fighter.) But...as others have said, Kylo leaving Rey on Jakku has largely been debunked by Pablo/timelines, and I also don't see them killing off Snoke this early in the trilogy.

I'm also not a fan of this from a Reylo perspective because like most of us here, I think I'd like to see him at least on a path to redemption before anything happens with Rey, as opposed to her contemplating going off with the Big Bad...especially if the Big Bad was the one who left her on Jakku to a life of misery for 15 years.

by Blackcanary Sun 27 Mar 2016, 1:10 pm

Am I the only one that reads the 'academy' stuff and the 'temple' stuff as two different events on that leak? Whilst we know the jedi academy timeline doesn't match up at all, I don't think that negates Kylo bumping into her somewhere else at another time. The jedi academy could be a good red herring in that respect.

by vaderito Sun 27 Mar 2016, 1:21 pm

Blackcanary wrote:Am I the only one that reads the 'academy' stuff and the 'temple' stuff as two different events on that leak? Whilst we know the jedi academy timeline doesn't match up at all, I don't think that negates Kylo bumping into her somewhere else at another time. The jedi academy could be a good red herring in that respect.

Temple appears in novelization in vision section. KoR are looting while fire from the burning temple is illuminating the scene. I don't have the actual quote but that's pretty close. So you are on the money. What's academy (which Pablo says shouldn't be called that) and what's temple? Same or different?

Now, dropping Rey on Jakku when Kylo was only 15? Hard to believe. Moreover, assuming that scene in the rain was temple burning, since it was in novelization, Kylo does not look 15 under that outfit. he's tall like an adult Kylo. 15 years old Kylo would be shorter (still growing) . For exmaple, this is 16 years old AD:

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Already huge shoulders but doubtful he was 6'3" yet. Some things need time. So no, Kylo in the rain was not 15 years old (Rey was 5 when she was dropped and Kylo is 9-10 years her senior so 14-15).

by Blackcanary Sun 27 Mar 2016, 1:29 pm

vaderito wrote:
Blackcanary wrote:Am I the only one that reads the 'academy' stuff and the 'temple' stuff as two different events on that leak? Whilst we know the jedi academy timeline doesn't match up at all, I don't think that negates Kylo bumping into her somewhere else at another time. The jedi academy could be a good red herring in that respect.

Temple appears in novelization in vision section. KoR are looting while fire from the burning temple is illuminating the scene. I don't have the actual quote but that's pretty close. So you are on the money. What's academy (which Pablo says shouldn't be called that) and what's temple? Same or different?

Now, dropping Rey on Jakku when Kylo was only 15? Hard to believe. Moreover, assuming that scene in the rain was temple burning, since it was in novelization, Kylo does not look 15 under that outfit. he's tall like an adult Kylo. 15 years old Kylo would be shorter (still growing) . For exmaple, this is 16 years old AD:

Already huge shoulders but doubtful he was 6'3" yet. Some things need time. So no, Kylo in the rain was not 15 years old (Rey was 5 when she was dropped and Kylo is 9-10 years her senior so 14-15).

True!

I am rather reluctant to take that vision at face value however: we know of at least one altered detail from what occurs - Rey faces Kylo in the snow with him unmasked, not masked as in the vision. I think there's wiggle room for the vision to be symbolic rather than representative.

But yeah, i'm doubtful on 15 year old Kylo pulling that off. Unless there's some odd time-jump/mind wiping afoot.

by **Kessel** Sun 27 Mar 2016, 2:31 pm

I know we've read it several times that Rey was 5 years old when she was abandoned on Jakku. That info comes from an interview with Daisy, correct? Has it been confirmed?

The actress who plays young Rey, Hailey Fleming was 8 years old as of a January 2016 article (so she was 7 or 8 years old when they filmed). In the vision, Rey looks to be around 5-7, 8 years old max.

I agree the Kylo in the rain scene is not a 15 year old boy.

by Darth_Awakened Sun 27 Mar 2016, 2:42 pm

I think that JJ and Kasdan had been changing a lot of elementary stuff regarding the vision scene during the production (which is perfectly normal in film making).
Maybe the original plan was to relate Rey s history to Jedi academy disaster, and afterwords they changed the plan due to the timeline issues.

I must admit I am bit frustrated with too much vagueness in the whole vision scene (despite this I still think movie is great).

by nonesuch Mon 28 Mar 2016, 4:53 am

Kessel89 wrote:I know we've read it several times that Rey was 5 years old when she was abandoned on Jakku. That info comes from an interview with Daisy, correct? Has it been confirmed?

The actress who plays young Rey, Hailey Fleming was 8 years old as of a January 2016 article (so she was 7 or 8 years old when they filmed). In the vision, Rey looks to be around 5-7, 8 years old max.

I agree the Kylo in the rain scene is not a 15 year old boy.

I believe the suggestion that Rey was five comes from pre-TFA publicity, in particular an article from People magazine (I think?) Intriguingly that detail is omitted from Wookiepedia and isn't present in any of the canon tie-in materials (the Visual Dictionary, the novelization, etc.), as far as I'm aware - I'd love to be corrected if anyone knows differently. That does potentially leave wriggle room to move everything forward, making Rey more like seven than five. That would better allow for Pablo's timeline and make Kylo a more plausible candidate for the person who dropped her off.

I'm going to try and do some digging into this, and will report back. I'm pretty sure the timeline is the key to the characters' backgrounds, so I'm very interested in straightening it out.

by vaderito Mon 28 Mar 2016, 8:00 am

nonesuch wrote:
Kessel89 wrote:I know we've read it several times that Rey was 5 years old when she was abandoned on Jakku. That info comes from an interview with Daisy, correct? Has it been confirmed?

The actress who plays young Rey, Hailey Fleming was 8 years old as of a January 2016 article (so she was 7 or 8 years old when they filmed). In the vision, Rey looks to be around 5-7, 8 years old max.

I agree the Kylo in the rain scene is not a 15 year old boy.

I believe the suggestion that Rey was five comes from pre-TFA publicity, in particular an article from People magazine (I think?) Intriguingly that detail is omitted from Wookiepedia and isn't present in any of the canon tie-in materials (the Visual Dictionary, the novelization, etc.), as far as I'm aware - I'd love to be corrected if anyone knows differently. That does potentially leave wriggle room to move everything forward, making Rey more like seven than five. That would better allow for Pablo's timeline and make Kylo a more plausible candidate for the person who dropped her off.

I'm going to try and do some digging into this, and will report back. I'm pretty sure the timeline is the key to the characters' backgrounds, so I'm very interested in straightening it out.

Daisy said Rey was 5. Not sure if Pablo only stated character's age as of TFA or he also mentioned Rey's age when she was dumped. But Daisy said 5.

by Force22 Mon 28 Mar 2016, 8:34 am

I actually think this "leak" is a lucky guess, or from someone with few elements that is trying to stitch things together.

Still, like other "leaks", fake or not, this has Reylo. I've noticed many leaks are either adapting to Reylo (for instance, have Finn with a different LI and Rey and Kylo spending time together, and no Rey Skywalker).

by Kinbari Mon 28 Mar 2016, 9:28 pm

Blackcanary wrote:
vaderito wrote:
Blackcanary wrote:Am I the only one that reads the 'academy' stuff and the 'temple' stuff as two different events on that leak? Whilst we know the jedi academy timeline doesn't match up at all, I don't think that negates Kylo bumping into her somewhere else at another time. The jedi academy could be a good red herring in that respect.

Temple appears in novelization in vision section. KoR are looting while fire from the burning temple is illuminating the scene. I don't have the actual quote but that's pretty close. So you are on the money. What's academy (which Pablo says shouldn't be called that) and what's temple? Same or different?

Now, dropping Rey on Jakku when Kylo was only 15? Hard to believe. Moreover, assuming that scene in the rain was temple burning, since it was in novelization, Kylo does not look 15 under that outfit. he's tall like an adult Kylo. 15 years old Kylo would be shorter (still growing) . For exmaple, this is 16 years old AD:

Already huge shoulders but doubtful he was 6'3" yet. Some things need time. So no, Kylo in the rain was not 15 years old (Rey was 5 when she was dropped and Kylo is 9-10 years her senior so 14-15).

True!

I am rather reluctant to take that vision at face value however: we know of at least one altered detail from what occurs - Rey faces Kylo in the snow with him unmasked, not masked as in the vision. I think there's wiggle room for the vision to be symbolic rather than representative.

But yeah, i'm doubtful on 15 year old Kylo pulling that off. Unless there's some odd time-jump/mind wiping afoot.

A few things to note here. Pablo actually specified on his Twitter that the scene with Kylo and the KoR in the rain occurred somewhere other than the Jedi Academy. So I think it's probable that these are two separate places and that the rain scene takes place in the future.

Also, we don't have any concrete evidence that Kylo was 15 when he turned to the Dark Side. Pablo also specified on his Twitter that there has been no indication of a timeline in canon; so the whole age 15 is a product of fandom headcanon and it has become so popularized that people think it's canon. For all we know, Kylo turned to the Dark Side last year.

So just to stay on topic, I think the timeline may be a lot different than what people are assuming and we shouldn't use it as evidence.

by vaderito Tue 29 Mar 2016, 5:49 am

@Kinbari True about Pablo tweet. Rain scene was not the Academy. My speculation about 15 years old was more in regards to how old he would be when Rey was dropped on Jakku (if she was 5 like Daisy says than he was 15) than about when he turned completely.

So rain scene could be:

a) past, likely part of the scene when Maz steals Anakin's LS (cause "clan leader" was mentioned in MSW synopsis based on the old script, and Pablo says character whom Kylo kills had production name "clan leader")

b) future, because Kylo breaks the fourth wall like in the future sequence on SKB, implying that Rey will be in the rain scene too. It's possible that he is aware of her, unlike other vision characters, because she is present in those events, and he saw her in his visions in those events.

by Little_Boots Wed 30 Mar 2016, 2:58 pm

Hmmm
I have seen a post on Reddit back in early January or late December by someone who claimed to be working on Episode 8 and gave very vague info on what way the story will progress over the course of the next two films.

One thing is Finn will be involved in bringing down the FO
Kylo will kill Snoke and be top dog.
Kylo and Rey will have a love story.

This was back and just a week after the film was released.
This Reddit theory here has a few points that seem to fill what the other poster said but who knows. Weird though but I don't believe Kylo left Rey on Jakku

by Blackcanary Wed 30 Mar 2016, 3:08 pm

Little_Boots wrote:Hmmm
I have seen a post on Reddit back in early January or late December by someone who claimed to be working on Episode 8 and gave very vague info on what way the story will progress over the course of the next two films.

One thing is Finn will be involved in bringing down the FO
Kylo will kill Snoke and be top dog.
Kylo and Rey will have a love story.

This was back and just a week after the film was released.
This Reddit theory here has a few points that seem to fill what the other poster said but who knows. Weird though but I don't believe Kylo left Rey on Jakku

This one:

I'll answer questions about the nitty gritty but below are the major plot points and reveals held in TPOTDS
This is Finn's movie. His past is much darker than was let on. More on that in a bit.
Kylo Ren isn't going to the light any time soon.
Snoke isn't anyone like we thought. Before the halfway mark, Kylo Ren kills him and assumes the role of top dog in the First Order.
This won't sit well with Hux though.
No super weapon.
Rey is not a Skywalker or a Kenobi. She's a Palpatine. Her mother left her on Jakku after the fall of the Empire because the Palpatine family were targets by many radical factions and bounty hunters. You WILL meet Rey's mother in TPOTD. You have not met her yet.
Finn elected to be an agent of the First Order after a Resistance attack on his home planet left his family dead. He entered a secret division lead by Captain Phasma that trained ruthless sleeper agents. Phasma activates Finn in the climax of TPOTD.
There is a love story between Kylo and Rey.
Rey's allegiances are left murky after her mother's reveal.
Luke lies to Rey and tells her he is her father because he recognizes her presence but knows her mind has been blocked from her true identity. He senses her strength in the force and believes she could be a very powerful weapon in bringing down the First Order.

Link is: https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/41tphh/i_have_read_the_final_version_of_the_story_that/

I haven't really hung my hat on a particular Rey parentage theory but I am very, very down with Rey Palpatine...

by Little_Boots Wed 30 Mar 2016, 3:11 pm

Blackcanary wrote:
Little_Boots wrote:Hmmm
I have seen a post on Reddit back in early January or late December by someone who claimed to be working on Episode 8 and gave very vague info on what way the story will progress over the course of the next two films.

One thing is Finn will be involved in bringing down the FO
Kylo will kill Snoke and be top dog.
Kylo and Rey will have a love story.

This was back and just a week after the film was released.
This Reddit theory here has a few points that seem to fill what the other poster said but who knows. Weird though but I don't believe Kylo left Rey on Jakku

This one:
I'll answer questions about the nitty gritty but below are the major plot points and reveals held in TPOTDS
This is Finn's movie. His past is much darker than was let on. More on that in a bit.
Kylo Ren isn't going to the light any time soon.
Snoke isn't anyone like we thought. Before the halfway mark, Kylo Ren kills him and assumes the role of top dog in the First Order.
This won't sit well with Hux though.
No super weapon.
Rey is not a Skywalker or a Kenobi. She's a Palpatine. Her mother left her on Jakku after the fall of the Empire because the Palpatine family were targets by many radical factions and bounty hunters. You WILL meet Rey's mother in TPOTD. You have not met her yet.
Finn elected to be an agent of the First Order after a Resistance attack on his home planet left his family dead. He entered a secret division lead by Captain Phasma that trained ruthless sleeper agents. Phasma activates Finn in the climax of TPOTD.
There is a love story between Kylo and Rey.
Rey's allegiances are left murky after her mother's reveal.
Luke lies to Rey and tells her he is her father because he recognizes her presence but knows her mind has been blocked from her true identity. He senses her strength in the force and believes she could be a very powerful weapon in bringing down the First Order.

Link is: https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/41tphh/i_have_read_the_final_version_of_the_story_that/

I haven't really hung my hat on a particular Rey parentage theory but I am very, very down with Rey Palpatine...

Yep thats the one!

by Blackcanary Wed 30 Mar 2016, 3:15 pm

Little_Boots wrote:
Blackcanary wrote:
Little_Boots wrote:Hmmm
I have seen a post on Reddit back in early January or late December by someone who claimed to be working on Episode 8 and gave very vague info on what way the story will progress over the course of the next two films.

One thing is Finn will be involved in bringing down the FO
Kylo will kill Snoke and be top dog.
Kylo and Rey will have a love story.

This was back and just a week after the film was released.
This Reddit theory here has a few points that seem to fill what the other poster said but who knows. Weird though but I don't believe Kylo left Rey on Jakku

This one:
I'll answer questions about the nitty gritty but below are the major plot points and reveals held in TPOTDS
This is Finn's movie. His past is much darker than was let on. More on that in a bit.
Kylo Ren isn't going to the light any time soon.
Snoke isn't anyone like we thought. Before the halfway mark, Kylo Ren kills him and assumes the role of top dog in the First Order.
This won't sit well with Hux though.
No super weapon.
Rey is not a Skywalker or a Kenobi. She's a Palpatine. Her mother left her on Jakku after the fall of the Empire because the Palpatine family were targets by many radical factions and bounty hunters. You WILL meet Rey's mother in TPOTD. You have not met her yet.
Finn elected to be an agent of the First Order after a Resistance attack on his home planet left his family dead. He entered a secret division lead by Captain Phasma that trained ruthless sleeper agents. Phasma activates Finn in the climax of TPOTD.
There is a love story between Kylo and Rey.
Rey's allegiances are left murky after her mother's reveal.
Luke lies to Rey and tells her he is her father because he recognizes her presence but knows her mind has been blocked from her true identity. He senses her strength in the force and believes she could be a very powerful weapon in bringing down the First Order.

Link is: https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/41tphh/i_have_read_the_final_version_of_the_story_that/

I haven't really hung my hat on a particular Rey parentage theory but I am very, very down with Rey Palpatine...

Yep thats the one!

There's also another post, which echoes that one in that it says:

Who is Reys Mother?
The daughter of Emperor Palpatine

Is there romance sub plot between Rey and Poe?
There's a romance subplot, but not between Rey and Poe, no.
What romance sub plot between?
Rey and Kylo

That's from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/3yy2jo/i_know_whats_going_to_happen_in_episode_8_ill/

by ISeeAnIsland Wed 30 Mar 2016, 3:20 pm

It's probably a coincidence, but I find it interesting that both of these reddit rumors involve one half of the FinnTran duo not being who they initially seemed to be.

by vaderito Wed 30 Mar 2016, 3:24 pm

So reddit "scoopers" really want reylo to happen. Laughing

can't blame them. Don't buy their scoops though, but I give that guy from Nonesuch's OP that he knows some stuff. Casino Planet is hardly a lucky guess and that's something that concept art can absolutely show.

by Reylo Lemon Wed 30 Mar 2016, 4:32 pm

nonesuch wrote:Hey peeps! I was nonesuch on JCF, and am starwarsnonsense on tumblr. It's nice to see a sanctuary for these kinds of discussions. I wanted to create a thread to discuss the Reddit rumour that has been doing the rounds, since it's one of the more interesting rumours, is Reylo relevant and actually has some support from third-party sources. The substance of the rumour is below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/3xtld8/i_have_read_a_very_early_storyboard_for_episode/]https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/3xtld8/i_have_read_a_very_early_storyboard_for_episode/

Plot A would progress in this order
Luke tells Rey what happened during the fall of his academy.
Kylo Ren is growing in power. He possesses a skill for manipulating the force that has never been seen. Snoke senses this and aims to replace Kylo with Rey, and plans to use Kylo to do it.
Luke trains Rey in the ways of the Force.
Rey confronts the spiritual test of the darkness within herself.
Kylo murders Snoke, having known all along Snoke was aiming to replace him before he grew powerful enough to overtake him, and declares himself ruler of the First Order. There is a slight rift among the troopers in whether they will follow Kylo or Hux.
Rey leaves against Luke’s wishes to confront Kylo. The B plot of the story is what drives her out.
Kylo Ren and Rey fight again. There is an underlying sense of attraction between the two. Kylo Ren is much, much stronger than he was in their last fight. He beats Rey and reveals he spared her life in the temple purge and left her on Jakku. He again beckons her to join him. This time, the result of that offer is left up in the air.

Plot B progresses in this manner
Captain Phasma has placed a substantial bounty on Finn’s head.
She and Hux are relentlessly searching the Galaxy for the Resistance.
They find the Resistance base and decimate it with an impressive land assault.
Finn and Poe meet a refugee and the three of them spend most of the story evading bounty hunters and the First Order.
Finn falls for the refugee. Head over heels.
On a planet that’s essentially the Las Vegas of the Galaxy, the refugee turns on Finn and Poe and collects the bounty on their heads.
They are captured and tortured on this planet.
It’s here that Rey and Kylo fight.
Finn manages an escape but Poe is captured and sent to what is essentially maximum security for the First Order.
That’s the first treatment.

Other tidbits include the mention that the Galaxy is absolutely war torn right now with no leadership and many systems just fending for themselves.
Del Toro will play a bounty hunter.
Luke refuses to join the fight on either side. This upsets Leia
Kylo Ren will kill an officer for mentioning the scar on his face.

Again, early treatment, but expect it to unfold fairly close.

Now, reasons to believe this is BS include (though are not limited to):

- It's from Reddit.
- Pablo's timeline seems to exclude the possibility of Kylo sparing Rey from the academy attack.
- It's very evocative of ESB.
- It's from Reddit.

More intriguingly, however, there are reasons why it has credence:

- A recent Making Star Wars report (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/star-wars-episode-viiis-fear-loathing-in-space-vegas/) says that VIII will feature a casino, and suggests a space Las Vegas vibe (the same language as that used in the Redit rumour).
- A Latino Review report (http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-wars-laura-dern-and-leia-in-episode-viii) (later supported by MSW (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/star-wars-episode-viii-poes-clothes-description-plus-info-on-the-dernleia-situation/)) claims that the resistance has virtually been eliminated, matching the Reddit report's claim that the Resistance is decimated.
- The Reddit rumour's claim of a romance between Finn and Tran's character would match reports from Dubrovnik indicating that they share a space pony ride, and would also align with separate casting reports indicating that Tran had to have good chemistry with Boyega.
- The Reddit rumour was posted in January, long before either of the other rumours or any reports of filming in Dubrovnik (i.e. it wasn't based on astute observation of the set photos).

So, what do you think? Do you like the sounds of this? How plausible do you find it? I'm aware that some Reylo shippers are uncomfortable with this rumour and hope it won't come to fruition. While I'm intrigued by this and can see it working well, I welcome all perspectives on this, so feel free to let me know your takes/interpretations.

I'm sorry about my ignorance but did Rey already confronted the test of the darkness in herself? Basically what happens from the forest to Mustafar 2.0. Mmmhhh....

by ISeeAnIsland Thu 31 Mar 2016, 4:06 pm

So, I was thinking back over the various "leaks" for Episode VIII, and while I realize that most of them sound mostly fake, there is one thing that most of them seem to have in common: Rey is a Palpatine descendent or at least has dark side origins?

Can anyone think of one of these leaks where this hasn't been the case? I realize that it's probably wishful thinking on the parts of the "leaker", but it does seem to be pretty consistent. I can't think of one leak off the top of my head where she's been a Kenobi (or Skywalker...barf).

by panki Thu 31 Mar 2016, 9:24 pm

Ewan McGregor was recently asked in an interview whether he plans to return to the SW universe....Here is what he said:

I’d very much like to do one too. I think the story between Episode III and Episode IV, I think there’s a story there. I think that’s the Obi-Wan Kenobi movie, if there is one. The one that bridges my Obi-Wan Kenobi and Alec’s Obi-Wan Kenobi because there’s a—I don’t know how long he’s in the desert there, but it’s got to be twenty or thirty years.

And when asked if he had discussions with Kathleen Kennedy, he said:

I’m not sure I’m at liberty to say, really, but I’m very interested in doing that. That would be great. Maybe there’s even a trilogy! (laughs)

I think there is definitely at least one Obiwan movie in the works.

However, he also dispelled rumors of appearing in Episode 8: Sad

I don’t know anything about it. I’m really not in the picture with the Star Wars trilogy. As far as I know, I would be Alec Guinness by now, so I don’t know how that would work. I really don’t know and I haven’t had any discussions with anyone about it. To play Obi-Wan Kenobi again would be something I would love to do in one of the spinoff movies. If that were to happen in one of their trilogies, I would be up for that, but I don’t know how that would happen. I’m sure some of the Star Wars fans would come up with an idea of how that could happen.

by panki Thu 31 Mar 2016, 9:35 pm

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John Boyega was talking about Episode VIII at the UK Gala Screening of Secrets Of Star Wars: The Force Awakens – the making of documentary and in the context of new things to be excited about, he said Kelly Marie Tran is Episode VIII’s “new lead”.

http://whatculture.com/film/kelly-marie-tran-is-the-new-lead-of-star-wars-episode-8-according-to-john-boyega.php

There is speculation that she is going to be somehow linked to the Resistance and interacting with Finn.Here is a link to the complete article....I don't know if there is an any more blatant way of announcing her as Finn's new LI. Lolilol

by Guest Thu 31 Mar 2016, 9:43 pm

Kelly Marie Tran seems really likeable and funny from the clips I watched of her comedy stuff on YouTube. I can totally see her working well with John Boyega. Rey is a more serious and focused character in comparison to Finn. Their friendship is sweet and will always be special to them as they were each other's first real friend. But they will both be growing as people in Episode VIII and appear to be on different paths for the immediate future. I'm looking forward to seeing Finn and KMT's character interacting together.

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Possible Obiwan Kenobi Spin-off

[Article] Kelly Marie Tran Is The “New Lead” Of Star Wars Episode 8, According To John Boyega

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