ARCHIVE: The Last Jedi Trailer(s) - 1

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:As I recall, and I don't have the pictures to hand, but didn't that tree look scorched on those photographs that appeared in the tabloids? The fire might be extinguished before it or its contents are totally destroyed. *Goes to look for the photos*



ETA - Hmm, I'm not sure now, it just looks old and mossy. I guess it depends on whether it starts out in a better condition than that when Rey first arrives on Ahch-To.

@Mrs Ben Solo

The moss has always made me skeptical of the "Kylo burns down the tree" speculation, although I've tried to keep an open mind. If I had to make a call right now, I'd say that whatever tree was burning was in a flashback or vision, and that it is, in fact, a hut that blows up.

Our Bothan buddy was pretty adamant that Kylo and Rey were having a "conversation" (he even corrected someone who assumed it was an argument), and that Luke doesn't like it, gets mad, and "tries to stop them". That doesn't sound like a situation where Kylo blows up whatever dwelling he and Rey are in. I'll bet that Bothan is correct and that it's Luke who blows it up, or I could see a possibility of it being a First Order attack (knowing from the teaser that the Millennium Falcon will be engaging with TIE fighters at some point).

motherofpearl1 wrote:I can't help but notice what looks like another cut just by his hairline above his ear - unless it's just his hair.

Could it be a result of the 'sea monster' fight?

Birdwoman wrote:Kylo looks super focused and ready to fight Rey. Unlike in the snow fight, where you could tell he didn't really want to fight her....now he does want his revenge. We will see how long that lasts....

motherofpearl1 wrote:I still have this weird feeling Ben was abducted rather than running away....and wouldn't it have been awful if he'd waited for his family to rescue him, only to discover they'd believed he'd turned willingly to the dark side.
He truly would have been sympathetic to Rey's plight then.

Birdwoman wrote:Kylo looks super focused and ready to fight Rey. Unlike in the snow fight, where you could tell he didn't really want to fight her....now he does want his revenge. We will see how long that lasts....

motherofpearl1 wrote:He's full of pain, it's there in his bitterness, in his almost pathetic need for Rey- even in his anger.

This isn't some sulky teenage phase, this is a grown man and someone has hurt him terribly. I wish they'd left the deleted Millennium Falcon  scene in; Kylo's torment was so obvious you could feel it.

motherofpearl1 wrote:I still have this weird feeling Ben was abducted rather than running away....and wouldn't it have been awful if he'd waited for his family to rescue him, only to discover they'd believed he'd turned willingly to the dark side.
He truly would have been sympathetic to Rey's plight then.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

motherofpearl1 wrote:I still have this weird feeling Ben was abducted rather than running away....and wouldn't it have been awful if he'd waited for his family to rescue him, only to discover they'd believed he'd turned willingly to the dark side.
He truly would have been sympathetic to Rey's plight then.

@motherofpearl1

The original shooting script for TFA hinted that Ben was kidnapped. I don't know if the backstory changed, but according to that script, Ben was kidnapped, "indoctrinated", and then returned with the KoR to carry out the massacre.

I don't think there's any info out there that debunks this possibility at this point.

SoloSideCousin wrote:

Yes it did look scorched.  I also think that Luke is definitely coming out of the "tree cave" with that last "the Jedi must end" The Searchers shot.

Until something tells me different, I think that Kylo has been after those books all this time.  He might have sold it to Hux and Snoke that he wanted to kill Skywalker, but instead he wanted to knowledge.

Also, my husband and I were talking about the gloved hands near the book page.  He thinks it's Kylo's hand in a flashback.  He thinks this because (1) Rey never seems to wear a proper glove, but instead wears that half-glove thing connected to the armbands ... and Luke has always wore black gloves.  It's not a slam dunk by any means, but it's possible that Ben Solo had a more earth-toned palette at some point, and while wearing beige gloves he found that the book ... an old book that advocated use of both the light and the dark side of the force as a means of achieving balance.  I would think that this kind of theory would be very attractive to someone like Ben Solo who, if all this half-light/half-dark stuff is carried through, would really want to find another way more suited to him because he seems like someone who would be very poorly suited to a traditional Jedi lifestyle.

As a result, Ben could have been very enthusiastic about this find, while Luke would have been completely horrified.  To Luke the dark side is completely abhorrent because of how Obi-Wan and Yoda taught him and also because of how his own father was completely corrupted when he dove into it ... and perhaps most importantly of all, Luke could have some PTSD from his force lightning experience with the emperor.  Add this kind of discovery to maybe some discovery of the Jedi purging emotional forceusers (that would be warped by the experience and become the would-be Sith) and you get pretty good makings for a schism.

I don't know how Snoke would come into it at this point, though I imagine it will have something to do with Snoke giving some lip service to appreciating both sides of the force.  Snoke is still such a mystery.

But if anyone blows up the books, I will be shocked if it's not Luke.  Think about it.  If Luke is acting like the knowledge-hoarding old Jedi (remember part of the reason Anakin lost it was because the Council acted like censors on information), he will want to guard this information and not let it get out.  But if it looks like Kylo is going to get access to it and is going to impart it to Rey, I could see Luke losing it, preferring to destroy it than let it get out. 

Also, remember the old rumors about how Luke was supposed to have become really powerful, but at the same time have really poor force control.  If you think of it that way, Luke's blowing up the tree cave/hut could be a totally reactionary, instantaneous moment of fear.  Think of how Kylo threw Rey into the tree when she tried to shoot him.  I personally think that he never intended to do that.  I think he wanted to freeze her, but then was such an emotional mess that he lost control of his powers.  Luke could be the same.  Luke could be terrified by that information.  Luke could want the Jedi to end, less because it became corrupt later, but because he finds its earliest teachings to be corrupt.  Kylo could actually think the opposite.  He could think the more recent incarnations of the Jedi were terrible, but might think that the early Jedi, the "pre-Jedi purge of the Sith" Jedi were the way to go.

This of course is all speculation, but I do think that the books, which seem to definitely be in a tree, are a very big deal ... and if they are trying to normalize Kylo/Ben to some extent (as indicated by the "makes him look even hotter" scar and Adam Driver's mention of how TLJ emphasizes Kylo's humanity), I just don't see them putting a "burning of the library at Alexandra" on his plate as well.  OTOH, though that would sully Luke's image somewhat, I think he could carry it because he has so much built-in good will and because they will make his fear understandable based on his own personal experiences that everyone watched.

@darthren, @lily snape

MeadowofAshes wrote:

motherofpearl1 wrote:He's full of pain, it's there in his bitterness, in his almost pathetic need for Rey- even in his anger.

This isn't some sulky teenage phase, this is a grown man and someone has hurt him terribly. I wish they'd left the deleted Millennium Falcon  scene in; Kylo's torment was so obvious you could feel it.

@motherofpearl1

I'm glad they left it out for one reason: MF was flying in the TLJ trailer. That means we'll (probably) get a more emotional "Ben on the Falcon" scene.

@Rogue Rey Are you saying you think Kylo is a one minute man?

Rogue Rey wrote:

Birdwoman wrote:Kylo looks super focused and ready to fight Rey.  Unlike in the snow fight, where you could tell he didn't really want to fight her....now he does want his revenge.  We will see how long that lasts....

@Birdwoman

My guess about one whole minute!!!