Rey and Kylo - Beauty and the Beast, Scavenger and the Monstah, Their Bond, His Love, Her Confused Feelings

jakkusun wrote:

Saracene wrote:I always saw the non-platonic romance as the endgame for Rey and Kylo, simply because, while their relationship is not bound to the real-world rules, Star Wars (or at least the films) is really not that complicated when it comes to emotions, and is very much grounded in the real-world emotions. A purely spiritual relationship that’s all about the force might be fascinating, but I’d say that it’s always going to feel somewhat cold and remote to the majority of the audience, because it’s not something anyone in the real world can personally relate to.

@Saracene

Except maybe asexual/aromatic people or people who just have really deep and meaningful friendships. I get the point...that it makes sense to go all the way with the raw human emotions involved in a romance rather than just halfway with something more nuanced and subdued. But still...platonic/spiritual relationships aren't cold or unrelatable or unrealistic...maybe it isn't fit for drama in a space opera, idk..but it's still very warm and human and real to love platonically, I think.

snufkin wrote:@cowgirlsamurai - if the ground split open just from their couple's fight (which it totally was, no wonder poor Finn was 3rd wheeling and she gave Kylo a look like she was going to throw a plate at his head), just imagine the possibilities, hahaha!  Naw, that's when @gemini first pointed out to the choker shots from the fight which were part of Ava DuVernay's suggestions to JJ about how to improve that sequence, a lot of us started looking at the individual shots/images. Which holy sh*t, a lot of recognized those type of facial expressions for finding the Force from, uh, life experience. And the identical close up shots Hitchcock used for Gregory Peck and Ingrid Bergman in Spellbound to show the lightning bolt of love/lust/dark psychological bonding that happens between their characters.

@RandomObserver - I'd absolute bet that part of Carrie Fisher's participation and Leia's role in the ST is starting to kick in the door for showing that women don't retire to the domestic sphere when they become mothers. If anything, the responsibility of being a mother means that the stakes are even higher for them because somebody else is dependent on them. Watching the trailer, she sure as Hell looks like her mom, especially in the connecting through the Force parts with Kylo. If you've watched Bright Lights,  the documentary about their lives and relationships, you know that Debbie went through Hell thanks to the Hollywood Studio system, entertainment industry, 3 sh*tty husbands, bankruptcy, and kept on working her a** off because she had children and bills to pay. She wasn't going to let anybody steal her of her dignity or self-respect. Both her daughter and granddaughter are in this movie and I'd sure as f**k bet that one of the subtexts for Leia's storyline is a tribute to the type of woman and mother Debbie Reynolds was*. Which BTW, one of my ongoing irritation with a lot of the "feminist" discussion around the ST is the fact that you had both Carrie and Dame Harriet Walter show up grey hair, wrinkles, and giving no f**ks in TFA, when Hollywood likes to pretend that women don't exist after they turn 26. Or how there are just women everywhere, doing their jobs and living their own private lives as part of the world being shown. Because other than Luke's aunt who got killed off pretty fast, that wasn't in the movie I remember seeing as a kid.

There's been some dumb a** comments and knee-jerk reactions around whatever happened with Ben where people either imply that Leia put the needs of the galaxy ahead of her child. Which no, it's clear from Claudia Grey's novel and TFA that she tried her best with Ben, the same way Bail and Breha did with her. And when it came to Force stuff, normal Force stuff, not even the Raw Ancient Power, she was out of her depth and sought out Luke because she thought he had the expertise to help Ben. Which she now realizes was the wrong choice, that what would've been best for Ben would've been to stay with her and Han and work it through together as a family. Both the Force stuff and all of the secret/repressed family history about her biological father. But that's so typical for what women face, more scrutiny and judgment no matter what choices you make for how you're going to raise your children. Meanwhile, nobody ever says that about men (how many bad father comments have been out there about Han or Vader?).  I also don't think it's a coincidence that LF has made a point in the business press to talk about how they've changed their company culture to be more supportive of women when it comes to Work-Life balance. They don't want their employees to cut themselves off from their personal lives, families, and outside relationships, so why would they want that for Rey?

* It's a given TLJ will be dedicted to Carrie, but I won't be surprised if it's dedicated to both her and Debbie. Or if Debbie is thanked in the credits.

Night Huntress wrote:not that I wanna go down that path already... but we know Ben is the last Skywalker. If they gonna have a platonic relationship, who will continue the Skywalker line? Some random chick Ben nails off screen? (sorry for the choice of words ) Not that I wanna make Rey a breed mare but it would be strange if her place would be "buddy of Ben and spiritual soulmate" whatever and they both will have another love interest in IX?
I mean, Disney is all about money and I bet they wanna make another trilogy?

RosiePancake wrote:

Night Huntress wrote:not that I wanna go down that path already... but we know Ben is the last Skywalker. If they gonna have a platonic relationship, who will continue the Skywalker line? Some random chick Ben nails off screen? (sorry for the choice of words ) Not that I wanna make Rey a breed mare but it would be strange if her place would be "buddy of Ben and spiritual soulmate" whatever and they both will have another love interest in IX?
I mean, Disney is all about money and I bet they wanna make another trilogy?

@Night Huntress


yeah, i can imagine the awkwardness when Kylo tries to introduce Rey to his "wife": "Hey honey, this is my force-soul-mate, we are the two halves of the force, we have spent many times to discover the force together cause we feel equal in many ways andddd we can easily read each other's mind plus force-sex anytime we want"  

RosiePancake wrote:

Night Huntress wrote:not that I wanna go down that path already... but we know Ben is the last Skywalker. If they gonna have a platonic relationship, who will continue the Skywalker line? Some random chick Ben nails off screen? (sorry for the choice of words ) Not that I wanna make Rey a breed mare but it would be strange if her place would be "buddy of Ben and spiritual soulmate" whatever and they both will have another love interest in IX?
I mean, Disney is all about money and I bet they wanna make another trilogy?

@Night Huntress


yeah, i can imagine the awkwardness when Kylo tries to introduce Rey to his "wife": "Hey honey, this is my force-soul-mate, we are the two halves of the force, we have spent many times to discover the force together cause we feel equal in many ways andddd we can easily read each other's mind plus force-sex anytime we want"  

RosiePancake wrote:

Night Huntress wrote:not that I wanna go down that path already... but we know Ben is the last Skywalker. If they gonna have a platonic relationship, who will continue the Skywalker line? Some random chick Ben nails off screen? (sorry for the choice of words ) Not that I wanna make Rey a breed mare but it would be strange if her place would be "buddy of Ben and spiritual soulmate" whatever and they both will have another love interest in IX?
I mean, Disney is all about money and I bet they wanna make another trilogy?

@Night Huntress


yeah, i can imagine the awkwardness when Kylo tries to introduce Rey to his "wife": "Hey honey, this is my force-soul-mate, we are the two halves of the force, we have spent many times to discover the force together cause we feel equal in many ways andddd we can easily read each other's mind plus force-sex anytime we want"  

reylo1992 wrote:Just for fun :
https://starwarsreylo.tumblr.com/post/166636057641/if-luke-is-spookedfrightened-by-rey-and-kylos

Rick Carter wrote:“And now we’re in a swashbuckling, medieval movie with knights and we’re finding Excalibur. And the next step is we actually get to go with Snow White out in a forest and the Dark Prince comes and puts her in a spell and carries her off.

JJ Abrams wrote:You’re probably going to have a castle, and a prince and a princess, if you’re looking at a fairy tale. We wanted to give these sort of, fundamental, not cosmetic, but, sort of, prerequisite elements. These locations in which we can set our new story and our new characters.”

Rick Carter wrote:Yet there’s still “a new hope” tied to Solo’s sacrifice: “When he puts his hand up to his son’s face, he’s marking him emotionally, the way the first Stormtrooper marked Finn [John Boyega] with blood in battle. Of course, the important thing is that it’s witnessed by Rey [Daisy Ridley]. It’s like what Obi-Wan tells Darth Vader: ‘If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.'”

WhatGirl wrote:Also worth noting: Han's death is called a sacrifice. This is very important too. He wasn't an unknowing victim who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. The term sacrifice denotes informed intention. He knew there was a chance he'd die, yet he decided to go out onto that bridge anyway.

And who did he sacrifice himself for? They all could've escaped without interacting at all with Kylo. So Han's sacrifice was not about easing their escape; revealing himself to his son actually did the opposite and made escape much more difficult. I think it's clear that he sacrificed himself for Ben, and this isn't going to be wasted by just having him stay on the wrong side.

PalmettoBlue wrote:

WhatGirl wrote:Also worth noting: Han's death is called a sacrifice. This is very important too. He wasn't an unknowing victim who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. The term sacrifice denotes informed intention. He knew there was a chance he'd die, yet he decided to go out onto that bridge anyway.

And who did he sacrifice himself for? They all could've escaped without interacting at all with Kylo. So Han's sacrifice was not about easing their escape; revealing himself to his son actually did the opposite and made escape much more difficult. I think it's clear that he sacrificed himself for Ben, and this isn't going to be wasted by just having him stay on the wrong side.

@WhatGirl

Exactly. That’s what so many people fail to grasp: if Ben Solo isn’t redeemed, then JJ & co. killed one of the most beloved characters in Star Wars for nothing. It’s beyond tragic.

But, if that single act sets him on the road to redemption (and I believe it has), then his death will be incredibly meaningful, and not just for the Skywalkers. Think of all the damage an unredeemed Kylo Ren would wreck. With his sheer power, he could surpass Vader himself.

I’d also add that Rey has now seen the worst of Ben Solo, and she’s seen his reaction. Deep down, she knows he regrets what he’s done.

Like Kylo, I’m an optimist - I see them going to better places from here.

shii405 wrote:Things seems to be better and more exciting for us day by day with even just small findings. But i need to manage my expectation here. Can we list all the possible scenarios and how many percentage of possibility they will happen? Both for VIII and IX 

1. Kylo and Rey both have similar raw power and energy : this is 100% confirmed right?

2. Kylo and Rey will have Force bond and will be able to read each other's minds : 100%

3. They team up and become allies at certain moment : 80% maybe?

4. Become partners and allies forever : 70%

5. Goes on adventure and training together : 50% ??? Im not sure

6. Fall in love: 30% im very hopeful but we still know too little to make assumptions?