Predictions for Episode 9

nickandnora wrote:

SoloSideCousin wrote:

nickandnora wrote:@DeeBee Their relationship also has a "brothers who are rivals" type of feel to it as well. I just love it. It's really one of those things that has crept up on me, the desire to see Hux vs. Kylo in Episode IX. These films are really good at having things creep up on you.

On a completely different topic, has the following ever been suggested before: the reason that young Ben Solo was canonically into calligraphy is because he will be the one to pen the *new* sacred Jedi texts in the future? I was thinking about it because I believe this story is very much cyclical - reverse Anidala, reverse Adam and Eve, going back to the beginning on a remote planet, on a beautiful island... all that would be missing is a new sacred Jedi temple and "new" sacred Jedi texts. Which, let's face it, will basically just be Ben writing out of the love story of Reylo.

(Sacredest.text.EVER.)

@nickandnora

I love this idea so much! Not only because of my unlikely, but favored personal headcanon that post-IX that Ben will be a professor of history/religious studies/ancient languages in the Outer Rim, lol, but because this kind of ending would be wonderful.  A true starting over with lessons truly learned.

@SoloSideCousin

I know, it's a lovely thought! In terms of my own personal headcanons, I visualize Ben having penned this during one final long absence from Rey (like perhaps he escapes for a time and goes into hiding, and she does her own thing for a time until she senses where he is and that it's time to join him), and then revealing it to her... while simultaneously revealing the house he constructed, on the lovely island he found, with a beautiful view of the ocean. Seriously, can you imagine. Picture that setting, and Ben saying: "Rey... I wrote this - it's the story of us."

Nine months later to that exact minute, Rey gives birth to baby #1.

@nickandnora

I love this idea so much, especially since they would be renewing the idea of the Prime Jedi, the two halves of a whole, and start a new order between them.

I'd like to see the old planets too, so they complete the Star Wars circle. Of all the planets I would like to see Naboo and Tatooine again, where everything started. If the rebellion wins, they will need a new planet , instead of creating another one, it would be enough to use those already present. I also bet we'll see Jakku again. Rey will return there to see his parents' grave .... I have this feeling

Naboo has to be in IX imo.

Keep forgetting about this deleted scene from RotJ, which picked up on the Force Skype/telepathy thread at the end of ESB. Maybe they'll show Kylo in his role as Supreme Leader and meanwhile furtively trying to reach out to Rey? Who's trying to do other stuff while ignoring him. There's still a plausible "I can't do this alone, I need your help" option on the table between the two of them. And we got a "trying to reach out after the conflict/pain" moment at the end of ESB which TLJ mirrors somewhat when she shuts the door on him.

thescavenger wrote:

nickandnora wrote:

SoloSideCousin wrote:

nickandnora wrote:@DeeBee Their relationship also has a "brothers who are rivals" type of feel to it as well. I just love it. It's really one of those things that has crept up on me, the desire to see Hux vs. Kylo in Episode IX. These films are really good at having things creep up on you.

On a completely different topic, has the following ever been suggested before: the reason that young Ben Solo was canonically into calligraphy is because he will be the one to pen the *new* sacred Jedi texts in the future? I was thinking about it because I believe this story is very much cyclical - reverse Anidala, reverse Adam and Eve, going back to the beginning on a remote planet, on a beautiful island... all that would be missing is a new sacred Jedi temple and "new" sacred Jedi texts. Which, let's face it, will basically just be Ben writing out of the love story of Reylo.

(Sacredest.text.EVER.)

@nickandnora

I love this idea so much! Not only because of my unlikely, but favored personal headcanon that post-IX that Ben will be a professor of history/religious studies/ancient languages in the Outer Rim, lol, but because this kind of ending would be wonderful.  A true starting over with lessons truly learned.

@SoloSideCousin

I know, it's a lovely thought! In terms of my own personal headcanons, I visualize Ben having penned this during one final long absence from Rey (like perhaps he escapes for a time and goes into hiding, and she does her own thing for a time until she senses where he is and that it's time to join him), and then revealing it to her... while simultaneously revealing the house he constructed, on the lovely island he found, with a beautiful view of the ocean. Seriously, can you imagine. Picture that setting, and Ben saying: "Rey... I wrote this - it's the story of us."

Nine months later to that exact minute, Rey gives birth to baby #1.

@nickandnora

I love this idea so much, especially since they would be renewing the idea of the Prime Jedi, the two halves of a whole, and start a new order between them.

@thescavenger @SoloSideCousin @nickandnora

Lovin this discussion! @nickandnora I love this idea of yours that Ben is writing the updated Jedi texts.
In the Jedi path there is a chapter on the history of the Jedi - Ben could at least update it!
At the start of this chapter, Yoda has written a little note stating "Updated this section should be- Yoda"
And under it Dooku has replied "So update it. Old One!-Dooku" - these little in character side notes are hilarious!! I love them!

If the story is headed toward balance in IX, it needs to be documented so the mistakes of the Jedi and Sith, the focus on an extreme side of the force, are not repeated.

I had heard the idea before that it's Ben who is writing the story of "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..." - sorry I can't credit who thought of it. I just know I didn't!

Plus I think Rey and Ben will be a love story for the ages - the story should be passed down to generations.
What better way to celebrate and foster a new breed of Jedi (or Je'daii- i.e. the Jedi Prime) than to distribute the story of the power and will of the force -using love to unite the galaxy

So what slant do you think Ben would put on his writing it everyone?
I can totally see Ben emphasising Luke the c***blocker haaaaa- some long lasting justice in that haaaaa..
Oh and Chewie's Dejarik skills would have to be mentioned

I had heard the idea before that it's Ben who is writing the story of "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..." - sorry I can't credit who thought of it. I just know I didn't!

@DeeBee

Oh WOW, I just got chills.

Starts off in main First Order star destroyer. General Hux and the high command have a small hearing with Kylo Ren in what used to be Snoke's Chamber still tattered from The Reylo battle with the Imperial guards. It's just a few weeks later as we see maintenance workers in the background and all bodies have been long removed. Everyone is sitting at an oblong black table and chairs positioned at Snoke's old throne but General Hux  holds great honor for his late mentor/superior and sits in a chair at head of the table in front of the throne, not the throne itself. Kylo Ren sits at the opposite facing Hux with no one sitting on either side. Obviously Kylo Ren is the one on trial for the mishaps of Snoke's demise, letting Ray slip away and rejoin the resistance, failure in destroying the Resistance on Crait the mineral planet and wasting ammo on the Luke Hologram and lastly his personal bias up to and including striking him as an officer. Kylo Ren is unable to use his Jedi/Sith mind tricks on Hux now because either the last light saber battle with Luke, the slaying of Snoke, the bond he has with Ray or combination of all of the above drained some of his power. Hux lays on the accusations of Lord Kylo Ren not properly performing his duties. And he requests his temporary absence from the first order especially as a new development has arisen that random stormtroopers are ending up missing all over the galaxy and they suspect that the resistance is behind it brainwashing them with the force to fight alongside them against the first order. Kylo Ren at that point convinces the high command at the hearing after a tie breaking vote by the raise of the hand of a sneering Hux to go undercover and investigate then retrieve the stormtroopers who are missing. As scene ends Hex tells Kylo Ren only in his earshot that he knows it was he who killed Snope and not Rey. and that he let her go because of his high regard of her. Although he admits he can't prove it. But that high regard will be his downfall and that if he ever catches Kylo Ren and Rey in the same room again even if light sabers are crossed, he with be sure to destroy both of them! He further explains angrily that he doesn't need the force to see that both of them have some special attraction to one another. In which this makes Kylo feel smug that maybe she does feel for him a high regard as well. He still tries to connect with her but she is still completely blocked him out.

The next scene We show the resistance  safe in the system of Ahch-To on nearby islands of were Luke Skywalker lived his last mortal days. Rey and General Leia are trying to brainwash the Jedi way to the newly abducted stoomtroopers. Both are having mixed feeling about using the force in this manipulating way but how else will the resistance strengthen their numbers? Meanwhile Finn also assists as best as he can by explaining his story to the abductees about how he knew the First Order wasn't doing the right thing. We also see Poet and other pilots bringing about twenty or thirty more captured storm troopers. Leia's Jedi mind sense is tingling as she senses Kylo Ren is the one who is personally searching for these missing storm troopers as well as for Ray. She uses what she has learned from Rey and the salvaged Jedi texts blocking from Kylo their whereabouts and is successful. However she suspects and fears some of the newest abductees may have bugging devices planted on them which could compromise their hideout base. She tells Poe to postpone nabbing more storm troopers for now. With suggestion from Maz Kanata, Leia assigns Ray and Poe to go to Canto Bight undercover as well to do arms runners to finally bring the real Codebreaker back to base. Finn reluctantly stays behind to help reprogram the storm troopers and to Attend Rose who is still in sick bay unconscious  

So the Canto Bight scene shows Ray and Poe on the outskirts of what looks like a chop shop for sporty land speeders. This is the rendezvous point for them and Maz. Not only does she greet Ray with warmth and motherly love, she gets her dolled up and dressed in a very unique chic mother of pearl gown to go to the casino. Poe is assisted in his formal robes by some of Maz Kanata's heavies. Poe is in complete awe of Rey's stunning beauty. They are instructed to take the land speeder chosen for them which they head to the same exact place Finn and Rose were in the previous sequel. Rey asks how to find the codebreaker. Maz answers, he has a red boudiner but don't worry, he will find you and winks.We have like an intergalactic James Bond theme going. They enter the game room of the casino and in the distance we see a disguised Kylo Ren who is also enamored by her beauty. He is drawn to her as he starts to move in her direction he stops when he sees the Codebreaker slide up to her and whisper in her ear. . . . . . . so this scene would be an opportunity to see a more feminine Rey, a sophisticated sexy woman. Almost all the men turn their heads when Rey walks in with Poe who's been candidly flirty with her offering to take her on a date after this mission on Canto Bight is over Ominous lounge music of some strange alien language is playing in the background with a voice crooning like Dean Martin, Harry Connick Jr. Or even Tony Bennie and the Codebreaker sweeps Rey to a nearby dance floor much to both Poe and Kylo Ren's chagrin. The Codebreaker who fronts as an avid Gambler and arms dealer asks her what she's doing here in his deceased first wife's dress. What he whispered in her ear earlier was "Were you looking for me?" Rey apologizes and explained the dress being from Maz Kanata. And that he's the Codebreaker who can help the resistance. For someone as beautiful as you intoned with the force. Ah yes I do know of the force like Maz I may be able to help on one condition and he pulls her closer, you come to my party up in my suite tonight. Jealous Poe moves in to cut in and dance with Rey at this point. Oh and please bring your friend and Code Breaker leaves. Disguised Kylo watches on from a distance. Rey is so caught up in the excitement of being in a beautiful glamorous and strange place and how she is treated with sophistication and desire she doesn't seem to sense that Kylo is in the same room. She feels light headed and asks Poe if they could sit a minute for some drinks before going up to the code breaker's private party to discuss the business of breaking the codes to deactivate any homing devices the nabbed storm troopers my have implanted in themselves. When poe gets up to find a server or a bar, Kylo yanks her quickly and quietly to a quiet corner of the room. Why are you shutting me out? She says, "Oh so it's not, 'what are you doing here?'" I know what you're doing here. You're trying to break the code on the homing devices embedded in my storm troopers. You just answered your own question on why I am shutting you out! And she starts to grab for her light saber now repaired. He grabs her arm and steals a kiss from her. Surprised she starts to kiss him back. Then regains her senses drawing her light saber. To which he quickly recoils hands up. What if I told you I want to take down the First Order. What if I told you I can give you those codes. Light saber disengaged, Ray says why the change from I want us to rule the galaxy together? To You wanting to take down the first Order, the first order you created and killed your own father for? You're confusing, and a danger not just to the galaxy but to yourself! She starts to leave but Kylo grabs her. We belong together it's our destiny! I know you feel the same! I told you I can't rule the galaxy with you. And she releases herself from his grip and walks toward the lift that goes to the code breaker's suite. She finds Poe there holding two fancy cocktails there you are. You must have been freshening up in that lounge over there, pointing to the Ladies Lounge. Uh yeah. Rey decides to not reveal that Kylo Ren is here in the casino. Poe and Ray take the lift up to the Code breaker's party. . . . That's as far as I can think of.

SW Nutt wrote:Starts off in main First Order star destroyer. General Hux and the high command have a small hearing with Kylo Ren in what used to be Snoke's Chamber still tattered from The Reylo battle with the Imperial guards. It's just a few weeks later as we see maintenance workers in the background and all bodies have been long removed. Everyone is sitting at an oblong black table and chairs positioned at Snoke's old throne but General Hux holds great honor for his late mentor/superior and sits in a chair at head of the table in front of the throne, not the throne itself. Kylo Ren sits at the opposite facing Hux with no one sitting on either side. Obviously Kylo Ren is the one on trial for the mishaps of Snoke's demise, letting Ray slip away and rejoin the resistance, failure in destroying the Resistance on Crait the mineral planet and wasting ammo on the Luke Hologram and lastly his personal bias up to and including striking him as an officer. Kylo Ren is unable to use his Jedi/Sith mind tricks on Hux now because either the last light saber battle with Luke, the slaying of Snoke, the bond he has with Ray or combination of all of the above drained some of his power. Hux lays on the accusations of Lord Kylo Ren not properly performing his duties. And he requests his temporary absence from the first order especially as a new development has arisen that random stormtroopers are ending up missing all over the galaxy and they suspect that the resistance is behind it brainwashing them with the force to fight alongside them against the first order. Kylo Ren at that point convinces the high command at the hearing after a tie breaking vote by the raise of the hand of a sneering Hux to go undercover and investigate then retrieve the stormtroopers who are missing. As scene ends Hex tells Kylo Ren only in his earshot that he knows it was he who killed Snope and not Rey. and that he let her go because of his high regard of her. Although he admits he can't prove it. But that high regard will be his downfall and that if he ever catches Kyle Ren and Rey in the same room again even if light sabers are crossed, he with be sure to destroy both of them!

The next scene We show the resistance safe in the system on nearby islands of Luke Skywalker's. Rey and General Leia are trying to brainwash the Jedi way the newly abducted stoomtroopers. Both are having mixed feeling about using the force in this manipulating way but how else will the resistance strengthen their numbers? Meanwhile Finn also assists as best as he can by explaining his story about how he knew the First Order wasn't doing the right thing. We also see Poet and other pilots bringing about twenty or thirty more captured storm troopers. Leia's Jedi mind sense is tingling as she senses Kyle Ren is the one who is personally search for these missing storm troopers. She suspects and fears some may have bugging devices planted on them which could compromise their hideout base. With suggestion from Maz Kanata, Leia assigns Ray and Poe to go to Canto Bight undercover as well to do arms runners to finally bring the real Codebreaker back to base. Finn reluctantly stays behind to help reprogram the storm troopers and to Attend Rose who is still in sick bay unconscious

So the Canto Bight scene shows Ray and Poe on the outskirts of what looks like a chop shop for sporty land speeders. This is the rendezvous point for them and Maz. Not only does she greet Ray with warmth and motherly love, she gets her dolled up and dressed in a very unique chic mother of pearl gown to go to the casino. Poe is assisted in his formal robes by some of Maz Kanata's heavies. Poe is in complete awe of Rey's stunning beauty. They are instructed to take the land speeder chosen for them which they head to the same exact place Finn and Rose were in the previous sequel. Rey asks how to find the codebreaker. Maz answers, he has a red boudiner but don't worry, he will find you and winks.We have like an intergalactic James Bond theme going. They enter the game room of the casino and in the distance we see a disguised Kylo Ren who is also enamored by her beauty. He is drawn to her as he starts to move in her direction he stops when he sees the Codebreaker slide up to her and whisper in her ear. . . . . . . so this scene would be an opportunity to see a more feminine Rey, a sexpot of a lady.

@SW Nutt

Welcome to the forum! Many of us would love to see Rey glammed up in a gown of some sort in Episode IX.

Wow I can't believe how my imagination just carried me away like that. Fun!

SW Nutt wrote:Wow I can't believe how my imagination just carried me away like that. Fun!

@SW Nutt

Great fun SW Nutt!
I enjoyed reading your ideas!
I love the idea of Rey dressing up
I'd love to see the Master Codebreaker trying to use his fabulous skills with women on Rey much to the horror of Kylo/Ben
[Hey Maz is totally hot for the guy.. he's got skills even if he actually called the girl he was with Lovey rofl]

Hi. Since this thread is 42 pages long I haven't read it all yet, so my apologies to everyone who have already said these things. I am probably just repeating what has been said before. But here are my guesses for ep 9:

The film starts with explaining that Leia is off doing something fun somewhere in the galaxy, Paul Walker-style.*

There will be a bigger time gap between TLJ and ep 9 than between TFA and TLJ. Two – three years, maybe?

Rey will mend the broken Anakin/Luke lightsaber. I wonder if the idea is that it got broken so that Rey can make a lightsaber staff instead? It's a risky move, because I don't think Luke fans will be happy if his iconic lightsaber gets re-purposed. I saw someone in the fight scene thread say that Rey doesn't have that much of a reach, so she has to fight at close quarters. I imagine that if she has a lightsaber staff her reach will be longer/wider/bigger. I know very little about fight choreography though, so I might be completely wrong about this.

I assume Rey's last forceback vision from TFA is set in the future. So we will get the Knights of Ren. Kylo will kill someone to save Rey, as shown in the forceback. I don't think Kylo will still have the mask on in the new scene, as he did in the forceback.
Hux will find out, or figure out by himself, that Kylo killed Snoke. Hux will use that as an excuse to try to overthrow Kylo. Hux can't do that alone, so he will need help. My guess is that he teams up with the Knights of Ren to defeat Kylo. If Hux thinks about it he will realize that Rey could not have defeated Snoke, 8 Praetorian guards, and Kylo by herself. Anyone would have needed help to do that.

Kylo will be kicked out of the First Order, and be alone.
Rey will contact Kylo while he is alone, or vice versa.
The Force Skyping will probably still work. Maybe Rey and Kylo figure out exactly how and when it happens. I think it happens when they both feel lonely and are thinking about the other person, at the same time.
Kylo will make a third proposal to Rey, or Rey will make a first proposal to Kylo. If the other person doesn't accept the proposal, we might get two or more proposals.
I hope that Kylo gets to live, no matter what else happens.
I don't think Rey will go to the dark side.
Luke comes back as a force ghost, and interacts with either Rey, Kylo, or both.
Finn and Poe will be promoted. If Rose survives, she'll be promoted.
Kylo's hair will be very beautiful in at least one scene.

More Reylo, in some form or another. But I have a hard time figuring out where they will go with their story. On a TV show a relationship like Reylo's would be played out over 2 – 3 seasons or longer. So I don't know how much story they can cram into a film that's 2 – 2,5 hours. Kylo will need to be redeemed before he and Rey can hook up, and that will take time. So I don't think they can get to the point of having children. We will be very lucky if we get as far as a marriage. On the other hand, TV shows have to deliberately drag out the story for as long as possible so that they have a plot to work with. In films they can speed things up a bit.

As for ways to redeem Kylo, one way could be that he loses his memory, or has his memory erased by someone. He could then join the Light side. If that happens I expect everyone except Rey to be standoffish towards him. It might also cause a rift in the Light-side group. Rey might be forced to leave the group with Kylo because of the others not accepting Kylo.

I have no reference points as to how JJ Abrams does romantic relationships, other than what we got in TFA. Nor do I know how Chris Terrio writes romantic relationships. I have seen comments somewhere that Rian Johnson apparently re-used some of his own ideas from his previous films in TLJ. So maybe JJ and Terrio will do the same thing, re-use their previous romantic plots, whatever they are?

*Edit: Changed my Leia prediction based on this podcast: https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/star-wars-the-last-jedi-spoiler-special

So i was thinking, every trilogy has had a love confession in the form of "I love you", it wouldnt be Star Wars without a love confession. We're obviously hoping this will happen in Ep9 between Ben and Rey, are we expecting an intimate sentimental scene? It just occured to me that Padme/Anakin and Han/Leia had their confessions when one/both were about to die, so they could follow the same forumla? (With both surviving of course!)

@Crystalfox

What concerns me most is Kylo's survival and to get more Reylo (romantic) connections after the hard "door moment" 

About JJ Abrams & romances, it may help to check out his TV dramas as FELICITY and ALIAS; there are many split-ups and love reconciliations after difficult situations.

lauvamp wrote:@Crystalfox

What concerns me most is Kylo's survival and to get more Reylo (romantic) connections after the hard "door moment" 

About JJ Abrams & romances, it may help to check out his TV dramas as FELICITY and ALIAS; there are many split-ups and love reconciliations after difficult situations.

@lauvamp

Thank you, I haven't seen those shows. That's good then, if JJ has dealt with many love plots before then maybe I shouldn't worry. I don't think the door closing is the end for Reylo. It just means that Kylo will have to redeem himself.

@Crystalfox

You are welcome! I recommend both shows btw

what makes me worry is the time jump
  3 years, 5 years, 10 years, time heals wounds many people say this
I'm afraid that with this jump we will see a Kylo Ren and a Rey completely different from previous episodes. In the last Jedi there were events connected perfectly with the force awakens. But this last episode everything can happen ..... it's beautiful but at the same time terrible

when did the news came out how big the time jump from TFA to VIII would be? Anyone remember?

I really really hope we don't get too big of a time jump- if I have a say it will be only weeks or max 2-3 month.

I explain why:

First and most important- REYLO... if we have a big time jump they either had to let the force-bond shut down for a long time or them talking off screen. Both a no no

We didn't get a chance to see Rey really process what happened in the throne room or reflect on her feelings for Ben.
Having a big time jump I doubt they will really explain that. Their feelings weren't explored enough to survive just a long time without any connection between them. At least it wouldn't feel real to me.

I don't want the stupid resistance or rebellion or whatever they want to call themselves now having time to rebuilt. That would just lead to a boring good against bad battle like in RotJ. I want something different.

I want to see how Ben deals with his new position - not seeing him after years as Supreme Leader evil overlord of the FO.

I don't want Rey training FS children or rebuilding the Jedi- Order and having already a bunch of "good- Force-Users" to back her up.

I think that the TLJ ended at a very interesting point and it would be a waist not to continue just right after what happened.

Well, we have to deal with whatever they decide anyway- but it's just my personal preference.

Night Huntress wrote:when did the news came out how big the time jump from TFA to VIII would be? Anyone remember?  

I really really hope we don't get too big of a time jump- if I have a say it will be only weeks or max 2-3 month.

I explain why:

First and most important- REYLO... if we have a big time jump they either had to let the force-bond shut down for a long time or them talking off screen. Both a no no  

We didn't get a chance to see Rey really process what happened in the throne room or reflect on her feelings for Ben.
Having a big time jump I doubt they will really explain that. Their feelings weren't explored enough to survive just a long time without any connection between them. At least it wouldn't feel real to me.

I don't want the stupid resistance or rebellion or whatever they want to call themselves now having time to rebuilt. That would just lead to a boring good against bad battle like in RotJ. I want something different.

I want to see how Ben deals with his new position - not seeing him after years as Supreme Leader evil overlord of the FO.

I don't want Rey training FS children or rebuilding the Jedi- Order and having already a bunch of "good- Force-Users" to back her up.

I think that the TLJ ended at a very interesting point and it would be a waist not to continue just right after what happened.

Well, we have to deal with whatever they decide anyway- but it's just my personal preference.

@Night Huntress

We knew early on that there would be no timeskip between TFA and TLJ, I think. Early 2016 early.  It was probably the first solid piece of information we had. They might for many reasons be more cagey about revealing that information for IX, though. We might be told early that there will be a timeskip but I think we won't learn exactly how long for a while. But somebody savvy might be able to tease out if it's a matter of months or years if they ask the right questions in an interview.

Edit: Upon doing some light digging, it seems like SW Celebration 2016 was where Rian first officially said TLJ would pick up where TFA left off. But I could have sworn we knew that information earlier somehow.

WOW !!!!!!
By re-reading your ideas, you given me new ideas. Sorry, I don’t speak and write in English for a long time. I have to summarize my ideas in small sentences.

Premise:
Kylo:
A boy who tries to find peace in himself.
In TFA. He wanted to be just as dark as his grandfather. Killing the father did’t make him more darker. (only more sad)
In TLJ. He understood that had found a girl worthy of him as a character and as a Jedi. He saw the same own loneliness in her. From what I understood, he fell in love with this girl. Rey was the first person to give him a shred of affection and hope. He feels like a monster, not just because he killed his father. He feels like a monster because he can’t be only clear or dark. Rey for a moment seems to accept it, when she gives her hand. If I had to say it in my words. He could destroy the universe for Rey's Love. And when finally he does, he is convinced to find the her love. That's why he makes that horrible declaration. You are nothing. But not for me. He isn’t used to talking. He isn’t used to saying his feelings. From his point of view, he made an effort exceeding his abilities. I'm sorry ... the idea was good ... just did not consider that killing the past in all senses means death. And Rey is the goddess of life.
Rey: The story begins with Rey very poor, abandoned and alone. But with a heart as big as the universe.
You know how she can to repair broken things. She has compassion. She has suffered so much loneliness and hunger. She is curious. Not afraid of the dark side. She is ready to give and to give herself. I would say all the ingredients to forgive and repair Ben/Kylo.
In TLJ. Rey grows up. She is in every place, she meets every person Ben has failed before. Father, mother and uncle. When she gives his hand to Kylo and practically they are seen inside, naked. Not physically, but they can feel and perceive their emotions in a pure state. They can’t hide them. But strength does more. They see the future. They don’t see everything. They interpret it. Everyone on his side. She takes the first useful means of the universe and catapults herself from him. I think SHe must have seen at least that he would be the answer to many of her requests, solitude, home, hunger, belonging, future. In general all these things are summed up with one only word “family”.
The only thing she didn’t understand is that there is not only Ben inside that body.

In my opinion, in episode 9, the figure of Kylo will explode. They showed us this evolving boy.

For me beyond the war there is a romantic story. He will have to show himself to be a real knight, without fear.
The possibilities are two.
1)Kylo abandoned by everyone, becomes the real villain. Rey becomes his antagonist. At the last save Rey and dies as a hero. Tell me if this is the really end I will not go to the cinema ….

Or:

2)Kylo. Finally abandoned by everyone. Without anyone who wants him just white or just black. Try to become himself. At the same time. The link with Rey does not break. He still hopes. Try to show Rey how he can be worthy of her even if he's a monster.
He will do something to show her he was changed. He will do something that she can appreciate. End of slavery. End of abductions. Hospitals, kitchens for the poor. He makes the dead planets green. Bring justice to controlled territories.
Ignore the rebels.
At the same time Hux, taking advantage of his social commitment. Continue to pursue rebellion and turn out to be the real heartless villain.
There will be a new weapon. A weapon that acts by force. To steal it or destroy it.
Hux in his miserable actions. He could kill Leia. Rey doesn’t want connect to Kylo for long time. Spends time . Maybe a year. Rey looks for her place in the resistance.
Maybe she smiles at Poe who looks at her with interest.
Leia in a moment of strength, understands that she and her son are still connected. She could tell her to dare where they went wrong (about Ben = Love is the answer).
Leia dies.
Rey sees Kylo crying in a forceful connection.
She comforts him. She touch him again. The connection starts again.
Kylo helps Rey to rebuild the sword. Luke appears to Kylo and gives him good advice. Kylo completes his growth and understands everything he had done wrong before.
Hux wants to take over Kylo and goes looking for Rey.
Meanwhile, slave children grow up and join the resistance. They too have the strength.
In the planets governed by Hux a stormtrooper revolt led by Finn and Rose and Rey.
Hux goes to destroy everything and kidnap Rey. Kylo feels Rey in danger and saves her.
He tells her his love. This time, do not miss the words.
Rey understands that she loves him too.
Hux through this new weapon manages to steal the force and organizes an army to destroy both Kylo and the resistance.
At this point, Kylo with a few trusted allies, joins the resistance to eliminate Hux.
Hux with the infernal machine makes Rey bad.
Rey fights against Kylo.
Kylo gets wounded to death but brings her back to the light side, maybe kissing her.
She brings him back to life with some Jedi magic.
They fight together and win the bad guys. The republic is restored by Kylo and Rey. Rey and Kylo-Ben found a new Jedi school, happy and in love, never alone again. It would be nice to see children because they are the symbol of the family and future.

ZioRen wrote:

Night Huntress wrote:when did the news came out how big the time jump from TFA to VIII would be? Anyone remember?  

I really really hope we don't get too big of a time jump- if I have a say it will be only weeks or max 2-3 month.

I explain why:

First and most important- REYLO... if we have a big time jump they either had to let the force-bond shut down for a long time or them talking off screen. Both a no no  

We didn't get a chance to see Rey really process what happened in the throne room or reflect on her feelings for Ben.
Having a big time jump I doubt they will really explain that. Their feelings weren't explored enough to survive just a long time without any connection between them. At least it wouldn't feel real to me.

I don't want the stupid resistance or rebellion or whatever they want to call themselves now having time to rebuilt. That would just lead to a boring good against bad battle like in RotJ. I want something different.

I want to see how Ben deals with his new position - not seeing him after years as Supreme Leader evil overlord of the FO.

I don't want Rey training FS children or rebuilding the Jedi- Order and having already a bunch of "good- Force-Users" to back her up.

I think that the TLJ ended at a very interesting point and it would be a waist not to continue just right after what happened.

Well, we have to deal with whatever they decide anyway- but it's just my personal preference.

@Night Huntress

We knew early on that there would be no timeskip between TFA and TLJ, I think. Early 2016 early.  It was probably the first solid piece of information we had. They might for many reasons be more cagey about revealing that information for IX, though. We might be told early that there will be a timeskip but I think we won't learn exactly how long for a while. But somebody savvy might be able to tease out if it's a matter of months or years if they ask the right questions in an interview.

Edit: Upon doing some light digging, it seems like SW Celebration 2016 was where Rian first officially said TLJ would pick up where TFA left off. But I could have sworn we knew that information earlier somehow.

@ZioRen

I think we learned that there would be no timeskip between TFA and TLJ when they released that super-mini-teaser (basically, the re-shot ending of TFA) in early 2016--like, before most of TLJ had even been shot. I think Rian confirmed around that time that TLJ would pick up where TFA left off.

JJ could opt to do something differently, but I really think that TLJ was set up for a time jump of no more than a few weeks between its end and the start of IX. Rey has a line early on to Luke about how "the First Order will control all major systems in a matter of weeks", hinting that time is crucial to stop the FO's takeover of the galaxy. Maybe the decimation of the FO fleet bought the Resistance a bit more time, but I think we're looking at a jump of a few months, at most. There's also the strong foreshadowing that the "rebuilt" Resistance will be a grassroots movement that gets going on word-of-mouth (e.g., Rose's Resistance ring, the talk about the Resistance symbol being "a symbol of hope to the downtrodden at all corners of the galaxy", Luke's final act on Crait inspiring people, etc). They're not really going to need for the Resistance/Rebellion to build back up a "proper army" for the continuing conflict.

Let's also not forget that Hux might bide his time a little, but I think he's going to try to usurp Kylo at the first reasonable chance he gets. There's no way that coup attempt happens off-camera.

Do you think that JJ will use Force Skype connection like Rian did or will he show us another entirely new aspect of this strange connection the two have?

Teo oswald wrote:Do you think that JJ will use Force Skype connection like Rian did or will he show us another entirely new aspect of this strange connection the two have?

@Teo oswald

I suspect he might expand on it, like making Rey and Kylo able to control it or call on the other at will. I'm of a mind that IX will start with Rey having learned how to block it off so the other end of it will probably be explored too.

I saw a comment from someone who said they were a Kylo Ren fangirl, but didn't have a crush on him and wants him to die because that's all he deserves. It reminded me of a different comment on a different site, also about Kylo, that said forgiveness is not for those who deserve it, but for those who need it most. The world may not be in the mood for nuance and kindness and redemption in general, but maybe Episode IX could send a message of mercy and hope instead. I know, that might be too much for the GA and especially hardcore fanboys, but I'm not putting it past JJ to do it.

Teo oswald wrote:Do you think that JJ will use Force Skype connection like Rian did or will he show us another entirely new aspect of this strange connection the two have?

@Teo oswald

Oddly specific prediction that I have: he uses it twice. Once close to the beginning of the movie and once closer to the end.

californiagirl wrote:I saw a comment from someone who said they were a Kylo Ren fangirl, but didn't have a crush on him and wants him to die because that's all he deserves. It reminded me of a different comment on a different site, also about Kylo, that said forgiveness is not for those who deserve it, but for those who need it most. The world may not be in the mood for nuance and kindness and redemption in general, but maybe Episode IX could send a message of mercy and hope instead. I know, that might be too much for the GA and especially hardcore fanboys, but I'm not putting it past JJ to do it.

@californiagirl
Star Wars (the Skywalker saga in particular) is all about forgiveness, compassion, hope and redemption, so yeah, I fully expect the last episode of this trilogy to carry on that tradition. LucasFilm president Kathleen Kennedy talked about this as recently as last Star Wars Celebration and it was also emphasized by Matt Martin recently on Twitter. Kennedy went as far as saying that people love Star Wars because it isn't about stark realism or nihilism. It's fantasy, a fairy tale and modern myth in a far off world.

As for this message being too much for the GA/fanboys... definitely not. It's what this franchise has always been about.

Tbh that first commenter sounds like an ashamed Kylo crusher and Reylo. Like, the lady doth protest too much, methinks.