Discussion: Finn/FN-2187/John Boyega

Another cool interview with John Boyega:

http://variety.com/2017/film/features/john-boyega-star-wars-carrie-fisher-diversity-1202517969/

“It’s a chance for each character to decide what side they’re on and decide what they’re fighting for,” he says. “It’s an epic dark story. At the same time it’s still fun. It’s still ‘Star Wars.’”

I swear all the best quotes that point in our direction come from John. God bless him!

IoJovi wrote:Another cool interview with John Boyega:

http://variety.com/2017/film/features/john-boyega-star-wars-carrie-fisher-diversity-1202517969/

“It’s a chance for each character to decide what side they’re on and decide what they’re fighting for,” he says. “It’s an epic dark story. At the same time it’s still fun. It’s still ‘Star Wars.’”

I swear all the best quotes that point in our direction come from John. God bless him!

@IoJovi

Awesome! Bless John.

IoJovi wrote:Another cool interview with John Boyega:

http://variety.com/2017/film/features/john-boyega-star-wars-carrie-fisher-diversity-1202517969/

“It’s a chance for each character to decide what side they’re on and decide what they’re fighting for,” he says. “It’s an epic dark story. At the same time it’s still fun. It’s still ‘Star Wars.’”

I swear all the best quotes that point in our direction come from John. God bless him!

@IoJovi

Yay John!

I do find it interesting that John keeps referring to how "dark" TLJ is. From the stuff we know so far (for sure), it doesn't really sound like a particularly dark movie. So Paige, probably dies? I doubt that warrants the "dark" adjective. There has to be some pretty serious sith they've kept on lockdown to warrant that description.

http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/09/star-wars-last-jedi-finn-rose-john-boyega-kelly-marie-tran/

EW has a really nice article on Finn and Rose in TLJ.

panki wrote:http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/09/star-wars-last-jedi-finn-rose-john-boyega-kelly-marie-tran/

EW has a really nice article on Finn and Rose in TLJ.

@panki

Oh yes, I like very much how it seems to go.
Especially Rose being a reluctant one of two sisters.

My first thought when I checked out the pics from ew.com was "HE'S FLYING! FINN IS FRIGGIN' FLYING!!!"

Credit to @bastilabey for sharing this on Tumblr.  If they want to keep people excited about this movie, all they need to do is keep interviewing John Boyega.  They could use him for the entire duration of the marketing, and I'd be happy.  This guy wins every time.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/john-boyega-spills-finn-rey-secrets-star-wars-last-jedi-172543947.html

“In Episode VIII, Finn and Rey are separated,” Boyega told Yahoo Movies’ Ethan Alter. “They’re not together the way they were in VII, so there isn’t much between them. Episode VIII was about establishing a new relationship with Rose, played by Kelly Marie Tran. And the continuing relationship with Poe as well. So that was more my fixation when Rey’s off in the mountains with Luke.”

IoJovi wrote:Credit to @bastilabey for sharing this on Tumblr.  If they want to keep people excited about this movie, all they need to do is keep interviewing John Boyega.  They could use him for the entire duration of the marketing, and I'd be happy.  This guy wins every time.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/john-boyega-spills-finn-rey-secrets-star-wars-last-jedi-172543947.html

“In Episode VIII, Finn and Rey are separated,” Boyega told Yahoo Movies’ Ethan Alter. “They’re not together the way they were in VII, so there isn’t much between them. Episode VIII was about establishing a new relationship with Rose, played by Kelly Marie Tran. And the continuing relationship with Poe as well. So that was more my fixation when Rey’s off in the mountains with Luke.”

@IoJovi

"...There isn't much between them..."

Darth_Awakened wrote:

IoJovi wrote:Credit to @bastilabey for sharing this on Tumblr.  If they want to keep people excited about this movie, all they need to do is keep interviewing John Boyega.  They could use him for the entire duration of the marketing, and I'd be happy.  This guy wins every time.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/john-boyega-spills-finn-rey-secrets-star-wars-last-jedi-172543947.html

“In Episode VIII, Finn and Rey are separated,” Boyega told Yahoo Movies’ Ethan Alter. “They’re not together the way they were in VII, so there isn’t much between them. Episode VIII was about establishing a new relationship with Rose, played by Kelly Marie Tran. And the continuing relationship with Poe as well. So that was more my fixation when Rey’s off in the mountains with Luke.”

@IoJovi

"...There isn't much between them..."

@Darth_Awakened

Maybe by the time they do meet again they will be enemies? We know Rey is on Crait, but do we know what side of the battle she's on?

Omg, I can't https://www.buzzfeed.com/alannabennett/the-late-late-show-the-boy-is-mine?bftw&utm_term=.cpj5eEPgb6#.bhnzpeV5OY

Finn looks so good in TLJ. Love the cute, cocky way he talks.

Hi Everyone,
Apologies if this has already been discussed..

On the star wars data base it says "Rey and the renegade stormtrooper Finn forged an unlikely friendship, escaping Jakku and finding themselves caught in a galactic war – with both of their destinies shaped by the awakened power of the Force."

- What do you make of this? How is Finn's destiny shaped by the awakened power of the Force?
Is this implying it was the force that led to him snapping out of his stormtrooper conditioning and escaping?
Or.. is this suggesting Finn is force sensitive?

I find this particularly interesting because Finn's entry doesn't say anything about him being shaped by the awakening of the force - it only says this in Rey's entry...
What do you make of this? I really don't know!

DeeBee wrote:Hi Everyone,
Apologies if this has already been discussed..

On the star wars data base it says "Rey and the renegade stormtrooper Finn forged an unlikely friendship, escaping Jakku and finding themselves caught in a galactic war – with both of their destinies shaped by the awakened power of the Force."

- What do you make of this? How is Finn's destiny shaped by the awakened power of the Force?
Is this implying it was the force that led to him snapping out of his stormtrooper conditioning and escaping?
Or.. is this suggesting Finn is force sensitive?

I find this particularly interesting because Finn's entry doesn't say anything about him being shaped by the awakening of the force - it only says this in Rey's entry...
What do you  make of this? I really don't know!

@DeeBee

Isn’t the whole philosophy of SW that every being is linked to the Force? I personally never quite understand why there’s the need to label and hence maybe measure the sensitivity of every character to the Force. I am not too fond of midichlorians . I am happy if it never gets explained why Finn snapped out of his stormtrooper brainwashing. I do believe it’s the Force that gave him a push and he listened, but that’s what I like to believe. Does that make him force sensitive? No idea and I don’t care. I think his path is freeing the other stormtroopers and become a big deal in the Resistance. The rest could be left open to everyone’s interpretation imo.

I mean, when do you reach the level “force sensitive”? Are the loth-cats force sensitive in Star Wars Rebels? They seem to be atune to its will. Are Han Solo, Poe Dameron and Hera Syndulla great pilots because maybe they are also more atune to the Force? Who knows. I like that it remains a mystery. The Force has to retain some mystery otherwise SW will turn into pure science fiction, which is great too, but it’s not SW imo.

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:



Finn looks so good in TLJ. Love the cute, cocky way he talks.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Scene comparison time!



Looks like Rose is at the receiving end of cockiness. it's the same background/door/hallway.

Yes, this is perfect cockiness without being smug. I love it and I love the context.

vaderito wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:



Finn looks so good in TLJ. Love the cute, cocky way he talks.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Scene comparison time!



Looks like Rose is at the receiving end of cockiness. it's the same background/door/hallway.

Yes, this is perfect cockiness without being smug. I love it and I love the context.

@vaderito

Yeah, that's a new Finn and I love it that it's Rose bringing it out. Looks like their dynamic is going to have tension right off the bat. Just from that one line, you can tell there's a whole new vibe in Finn himself.

Darth_Awakened wrote:

IoJovi wrote:Credit to @bastilabey for sharing this on Tumblr.  If they want to keep people excited about this movie, all they need to do is keep interviewing John Boyega.  They could use him for the entire duration of the marketing, and I'd be happy.  This guy wins every time.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/john-boyega-spills-finn-rey-secrets-star-wars-last-jedi-172543947.html

“In Episode VIII, Finn and Rey are separated,” Boyega told Yahoo Movies’ Ethan Alter. “They’re not together the way they were in VII, so there isn’t much between them. Episode VIII was about establishing a new relationship with Rose, played by Kelly Marie Tran. And the continuing relationship with Poe as well. So that was more my fixation when Rey’s off in the mountains with Luke.”

@IoJovi

"...There isn't much between them..."

@Darth_Awakened

Meanwhile, Rey is establishing a new relationship with someone else off in the mountains

I love Finn/Rose already just by seeing that shot!!

shii405 wrote:

Meanwhile, Rey is establishing a new relationship with someone else off in the mountains

I love Finn/Rose already just by seeing that shot!!

@shii405

RUKE LIVES!

vaderito wrote:

shii405 wrote:  

Meanwhile, Rey is establishing a new relationship with someone else off in the mountains

I love Finn/Rose already just by seeing that shot!!

@shii405

RUKE LIVES!

@vaderito

I am so happy It would be a shame if future babies wouldn't be called Skywalker, right? Solo ain't a proper name to continue the lineage

reylo1992 wrote:

I am so happy It would be a shame if future babies wouldn't be called Skywalker, right? Solo ain't a proper name to continue the lineage

@reylo1992

Hear, hear! LST was right when he said "This will begin to make things right". He meant Ruke, of course. The map guided Rey to her future husband Luke.

reylo1992 wrote:

vaderito wrote:

shii405 wrote:  

Meanwhile, Rey is establishing a new relationship with someone else off in the mountains

I love Finn/Rose already just by seeing that shot!!

@shii405

RUKE LIVES!

@vaderito

I am so happy It would be a shame if future babies wouldn't be called Skywalker, right? Solo ain't a proper name to continue the lineage

@reylo1992

You will be surprised how many people are purist when it comes to name Skywalker. A lot of people not only hate Kylo for his actions but also he has no Skywalker surname. Many Rey Skywalker fans have been pointing this fact. What is important is their blood connection, not really a name. Some people simply ignore this.

Well then Rey is not a suitable Skywalker heir either, since if she was to be married and have kids they probably wouldn't bear the Skywalker name either (let's face it, SW movies are pretty traditional in this regard).

I guess marrying Luke is the only way to remedy the situation and save the great Skywalker name, no?

Yes, Ruke is the only way. Good to see everyone's seeing the light.

@DarthRen yep, they even tweeted that crap to Pablo who tweeted a lecture on who is a Skywalker.

DeeBee wrote:Hi Everyone,
Apologies if this has already been discussed..

On the star wars data base it says "Rey and the renegade stormtrooper Finn forged an unlikely friendship, escaping Jakku and finding themselves caught in a galactic war – with both of their destinies shaped by the awakened power of the Force."

- What do you make of this? How is Finn's destiny shaped by the awakened power of the Force?
Is this implying it was the force that led to him snapping out of his stormtrooper conditioning and escaping?
Or.. is this suggesting Finn is force sensitive?

I find this particularly interesting because Finn's entry doesn't say anything about him being shaped by the awakening of the force - it only says this in Rey's entry...
What do you  make of this? I really don't know!

@DeeBee

Finn was pretty much confirmed as being non-force sensitive, but I believe he was affected by the awakening. Not directly like Rey, but from a certain point of view. I see it as everything is just chain of events and force is there to bind it together.

SkyStar wrote:

DeeBee wrote:Hi Everyone,
Apologies if this has already been discussed..

On the star wars data base it says "Rey and the renegade stormtrooper Finn forged an unlikely friendship, escaping Jakku and finding themselves caught in a galactic war – with both of their destinies shaped by the awakened power of the Force."

- What do you make of this? How is Finn's destiny shaped by the awakened power of the Force?
Is this implying it was the force that led to him snapping out of his stormtrooper conditioning and escaping?
Or.. is this suggesting Finn is force sensitive?

I find this particularly interesting because Finn's entry doesn't say anything about him being shaped by the awakening of the force - it only says this in Rey's entry...
What do you  make of this? I really don't know!

@DeeBee

Finn was pretty much confirmed as being non-force sensitive, but I believe he was affected by the awakening. Not directly like Rey, but from a certain point of view. I see it as everything is just chain of events and force is there to bind it together.

@SkyStar

Interesting. I would qualify Finn's awakening, based on what we know from TFA, as a moral awakening and awakening as an individual, as a free thinker & dissenter, when he's been brought up in such a collective totalitarian society. With type of hold that the kind of mindless, brainwashing the FO does, Finn's awakening is quite remarkable as he stops to question & analyze on his own, even if he's not force sensitive.
And thus he sets up the plot by escaping with Poe, landing (crashing) on Jakku and colliding with Rey, in turn greatly altering her life.

Hi everyone, I still can't figure out multi-quote..but hopefully this will work...

SanghaRen wrote:

DeeBee wrote:Hi Everyone,
Apologies if this has already been discussed..

On the star wars data base it says "Rey and the renegade stormtrooper Finn forged an unlikely friendship, escaping Jakku and finding themselves caught in a galactic war – with both of their destinies shaped by the awakened power of the Force."

- What do you make of this? How is Finn's destiny shaped by the awakened power of the Force?
Is this implying it was the force that led to him snapping out of his stormtrooper conditioning and escaping?
Or.. is this suggesting Finn is force sensitive?

I find this particularly interesting because Finn's entry doesn't say anything about him being shaped by the awakening of the force - it only says this in Rey's entry...
What do you  make of this? I really don't know!

@DeeBee

Isn’t the whole philosophy of SW that every being is linked to the Force? I personally never quite understand why there’s the need to label and hence maybe measure the sensitivity of every character to the Force. I am not too fond of midichlorians . I am happy if it never gets explained why Finn snapped out of his stormtrooper brainwashing. I do believe it’s the Force that gave him a push and he listened, but that’s what I like to believe. Does that make him force sensitive? No idea and I don’t care. I think his path is freeing the other stormtroopers and become a big deal in the Resistance. The rest could be left open to everyone’s interpretation imo.

I mean, when do you reach the level “force sensitive”? Are the loth-cats force sensitive in Star Wars Rebels? They seem to be atune to its will. Are Han Solo, Poe Dameron and Hera Syndulla great pilots because maybe they are also more atune to the Force? Who knows. I like that it remains a mystery. The Force has to retain some mystery otherwise SW will turn into pure science fiction, which is great too, but it’s not SW imo.

@SanghaRen

Hi @SanghaRen, thanks for responding!
Yeah I think the force is linked to everything.. and ill-defined. Yes! the Midichlorians were a let down.. but I was glad at least to have it explained at some point in some way..
It sounds like all living things have are connected the force, and have the dreaded midichlorians, but at a certain midichlorian level a living thing is categorised as 'force-sensitive' - I don't know if I've understood it correctly..

Jedi seem to be a higher level of Midichlorians, and then of course Anakin, the chosen one was highest of the high levels..

Rey and Kylo? I have no idea.. and maybe we all want to just forget midichlorians!

I found it interesting that the database specifically said Finn (and Rey) had his destiny shaped by the force.
This could be down to how the series of events turn out.. but that is true of every person isn't it? So then why say it about Finn? It made me wonder if there is more to this.

Maybe it's like the force chose to wake Finn out of his stormtrooper mind - for a higher purpose we are yet to see unfold. MI agree @SanghaRen - my thoughts went to his being instrumental in a stormtrooper revolution!
But would that mean Finn is force sensitive? .. and what does that even mean? lol.
I throw these things out there to discuss, and I am not wed to ideas about it..

SkyStar wrote:

DeeBee wrote:Hi Everyone, ***Quote edited out for brevity****

@DeeBee

Finn was pretty much confirmed as being non-force sensitive, but I believe he was affected by the awakening. Not directly like Rey, but from a certain point of view. I see it as everything is just chain of events and force is there to bind it together.

@SkyStar

Thanks @SkyStar - he is not classed as force-sensitive..okay.

I do wonder what force-sensitive means..  
Yeah this idea that Finn was affected by the awakening is really interesting..

SheLitAFire wrote:

SkyStar wrote:

DeeBee wrote:Hi Everyone,  ***Quote edited out for brevity****

@DeeBee

Finn was pretty much confirmed as being non-force sensitive, but I believe he was affected by the awakening. Not directly like Rey, but from a certain point of view. I see it as everything is just chain of events and force is there to bind it together.

@SkyStar

Interesting. I would qualify Finn's awakening, based on what we know from TFA, as a moral awakening and awakening as an individual, as a free thinker & dissenter, when he's been brought up in such a collective totalitarian society. With type of hold that the kind of mindless, brainwashing the FO does, Finn's awakening is quite remarkable as he stops to question & analyze on his own, even if he's not force sensitive.
And thus he sets up the plot by escaping with Poe, landing (crashing) on Jakku and colliding with Rey, in turn greatly altering her life.

@SheLitAFire

I agree @SheLitAFire - interesting! I like your take on Finn's awakening.. and it is really interesting to consider whether the force is involved in that moral awakening!!!
Why? It raises interesting questions about the will of the force - and while characters have agency - the Force does also seem to be almost laying out a destiny for our characters to fulfill (even Finn - who is not a jedi or full of raw powah.). This concept is going to be massive (IMHO of course ) in TLJ. as Finn says in the trailer: Bring it on!!!

I can see RJ exploring these big philosophical ideas - especially if he can make Looper and then say the big question was: would the actions and sacrifice of the characters change things overall? would another big bad have come along and taken the baddie's place anyway?
Leads me to consider he likes the big overarching philosophical questions... and we are not going to get a George Lucas type of black and white treatment of good and evil in this one!!

Thanks for responding!