Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

OrionStars wrote:@FrolickingFizzgig

I understand. Somehow, I've always felt that the way JJ executed Rey's story was really off-putting and it made people think what Rey had achieved was unearned and unconvincing, so they labeled her as "Mary Sue", but the other female characters like Cere/Merrin all passed people's judgment. It's like even though people don't have any problem with empowered female characters who are stronger than the male ones, they still can't connect with the type of character like Rey. Maybe it's the consequence of how JJ removing all arduousness and struggles in order to make Rey look "cool" in his eyes.

toolonelytosleep wrote:@SW_Heroine_Journey @nana7marie

Women are taught our primary worth is in how we look and how much male attention we receive; I can't ignore this when speculating why some men have such a visceral loathing toward Rey and Rose. I think critiquing their character arcs, personalities, and calling Rey a "Mary Sue" are all smokescreens for the real, carnal reasoning of why some men get angry with Rey and Rose.

I ask myself, would there be such a backlash against Rey's character for being too "perfect/flawless/strong/feminist" if she, let's say, had been played by a busty bombshell like Alexandra Daddario? Would fanboys have hated Rose with as much vehemence if she was played by Veronica Ngo?

I'm going to answer both questions with a resounding, "no."

(Quick disclaimer: obligatory 'not all men', and yes, I know there are women who dislike Rey and/or Rose too. There's genuine constructive criticism for how Rey and Rose could've been portrayed more efficiently as characters, but I'm not talking about fans who are coming from a place of honest critique; I'm talking about the fans who trashed both actresses for their looks and claim it has nothing to do with disliking their characters.)

spacebaby45678 wrote:FULL ARTICLE FROM COLLIDER

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker has had a long and storied history to the big screen, with lots of collaborators and cooks in the Episode IX saga-ending kitchen. Now, we’ve heard that the Writers Guild of America (WGA) has finally settled on who will get final writing credit on the epic film. And it’s a little surprising.

The screenplay will be credited to “Chris Terrio & J. J. Abrams,” with the ampersand indicating that the two worked together. The film will also have a “Based on Characters Created by George Lucas” credit. So far, this all makes sense. But the WGA also decided The Rise of Skywalker will have a “Story by Derek Connolly & Colin Trevorrow and Chris Terrio & J. J. Abrams” credit. And if you recall, Trevorrow (Safety Not Guaranteed, Jurassic World) was originally set to co-write and direct Episode IX before being ousted in favor of Abrams returning. Which means that the WGA likely decided some of what Trevorrow and Connolly were originally planning for the film made it into the final product. It also means that they will receive a good amount of residuals, which is a pretty nice consolation prize for not seeing the final film through.


The final WGA arbitration does come as a bit of a surprise, especially given Abrams’ quotes in an interview with Fast Company where he said he was starting with “no script.”

You’ve got two years from the decision to do it to release, and you have literally nothing . . . . You don’t have the story, you don’t have the cast, you don’t have the designers, the sets. There was a crew, and there were things that will be worked on for the version that preceded ours, but this was starting over. And because this was such a mega job, I knew at the very least I needed a cowriter to work on this thing, but I didn’t know who that cowriter would be. There was nothing. So the first thing I did was reach out to a writer who I’ve admired for years, Chris Terrio. who I didn’t really know, to say, “Listen, would you want to write Star Wars with me?” And he screamed.

This story, which literally uses the phrase “starting over,” sure makes it seem like Abrams and Terrio started over, using nothing of Trevorrow and Connolly’s vision. And yet, they are credited on the final product. So did Abrams approve of and incorporate some of Trevorrow and Connolly’s version after all? Were some of their ideas just too good to pass up? Did Abrams make sure his writing predecessors were taken care of no matter what?

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker hits the big screen December 20, 2019, which gives all of us plenty of time to speculate. For more Star Wars news, here’s our latest review of The Mandalorian. Plus, check out what Abrams and Lucas talked about when they met.

MaddieDove wrote:

toolonelytosleep wrote:@SW_Heroine_Journey @nana7marie

Women are taught our primary worth is in how we look and how much male attention we receive; I can't ignore this when speculating why some men have such a visceral loathing toward Rey and Rose. I think critiquing their character arcs, personalities, and calling Rey a "Mary Sue" are all smokescreens for the real, carnal reasoning of why some men get angry with Rey and Rose.

I ask myself, would there be such a backlash against Rey's character for being too "perfect/flawless/strong/feminist" if she, let's say, had been played by a busty bombshell like Alexandra Daddario? Would fanboys have hated Rose with as much vehemence if she was played by Veronica Ngo?

I'm going to answer both questions with a resounding, "no."

(Quick disclaimer: obligatory 'not all men', and yes, I know there are women who dislike Rey and/or Rose too. There's genuine constructive criticism for how Rey and Rose could've been portrayed more efficiently as characters, but I'm not talking about fans who are coming from a place of honest critique; I'm talking about the fans who trashed both actresses for their looks and claim it has nothing to do with disliking their characters.)

@toolonelytosleep

This is so true. Once a guy on a forum was posting abundantly about how badly female characters are written in ST, how it's not true that men don't like female characters, that Ripley and Sarah Connor are the proof of it, they just have to write them better etc. etc.
A couple of posts later, he wrote he would like to see in Star Wars starring someone like Sofia Vergara.

I just adore how Rose and Holdo are designed by Rian. I adore purple hair admiral gender studies. She's my kind of people. I remember a scene in the BTS documentary when Rian talked about Rose's outfit with the costume designer. He insisted she has to be in plain, working clothes, to stand in for all plain, short geeks like Rian was probably in his childhood. F*** yes, I really don't care if half of the world stops giving their money to Disney, I loved living to see Rose and Holdo on screen in Star Wars in all their non-stereotypical non-male-gazy glory!!

MaddieDove wrote:This is so true. Once a guy on a forum was posting abundantly about how badly female characters are written in ST, how it's not true that men don't like female characters, that Ripley and Sarah Connor are the proof of it, they just have to write them better etc. etc.
A couple of posts later, he wrote he would like to see in Star Wars starring someone like Sofia Vergara.

Teo oswald wrote:

Front facing shot of Zorii Bliss without the helmet visor !!!

spacebaby45678 wrote:@gemini

"eternally entwined" & elemental ...look at this

Atenais wrote:

MaddieDove wrote:

toolonelytosleep wrote:@SW_Heroine_Journey @nana7marie

Women are taught our primary worth is in how we look and how much male attention we receive; I can't ignore this when speculating why some men have such a visceral loathing toward Rey and Rose. I think critiquing their character arcs, personalities, and calling Rey a "Mary Sue" are all smokescreens for the real, carnal reasoning of why some men get angry with Rey and Rose.

I ask myself, would there be such a backlash against Rey's character for being too "perfect/flawless/strong/feminist" if she, let's say, had been played by a busty bombshell like Alexandra Daddario? Would fanboys have hated Rose with as much vehemence if she was played by Veronica Ngo?

I'm going to answer both questions with a resounding, "no."

(Quick disclaimer: obligatory 'not all men', and yes, I know there are women who dislike Rey and/or Rose too. There's genuine constructive criticism for how Rey and Rose could've been portrayed more efficiently as characters, but I'm not talking about fans who are coming from a place of honest critique; I'm talking about the fans who trashed both actresses for their looks and claim it has nothing to do with disliking their characters.)

@toolonelytosleep

This is so true. Once a guy on a forum was posting abundantly about how badly female characters are written in ST, how it's not true that men don't like female characters, that Ripley and Sarah Connor are the proof of it, they just have to write them better etc. etc.
A couple of posts later, he wrote he would like to see in Star Wars starring someone like Sofia Vergara.

I just adore how Rose and Holdo are designed by Rian. I adore purple hair admiral gender studies. She's my kind of people. I remember a scene in the BTS documentary when Rian talked about Rose's outfit with the costume designer. He insisted she has to be in plain, working clothes, to stand in for all plain, short geeks like Rian was probably in his childhood. F*** yes, I really don't care if half of the world stops giving their money to Disney, I loved living to see Rose and Holdo on screen in Star Wars in all their non-stereotypical non-male-gazy glory!!

@MaddieDove

YES! Same here. It's amazing to see real women on screen in big franchises as SW. I talked with several of my male friends and, sad to say, they disliked TLJ because they are unused to women being central. Of course they didn't say it with these words, but it was easy to see it.

Riri wrote:

Gemini wrote:

Riri wrote:

@Riri

LAWD HAVE MERCY this description has got me happy in regards to the Saga as a whole and these two characters.

These images BTW are absolutely STUNNING. @Atenais Thank you for sharing

Riri wrote:

Riri wrote:omg