ARCHIVE: Rey and Kylo - Beauty and the Beast, Scavenger and the Monstah, Their Bond, His Love, Her Confused Feelings - 2

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:Is it just me or is he wearing eyeliner? xD

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

Reynak wrote:

vaderito wrote:Eh, we talk a lot about AD's huge ears and nose and 1000 moles so talk about someone's big butt shouldn't be different.

You're right, people complain about comments that could be racist but then they say Adam is ugly and has huge ears. I find it difficult to say an actor or actress is ugly because it makes me seem too superficial, but this is an example of double standars. I have read posts on boards, IMDB for instance saying Driver is ugly and never seen any saying John is ugly.

Well, IMO, Driver is much more attractive that John and there are a lot of women who agree, as far as I've seen.
It seems we have to be very careful because if we say this it's not politically correct, but in my case and most people's it has nothing to do with colour.

I don't find John very attractive either (just personal preference). I can see why some women would like him though. He has that boyish charm. He's cute, he has a nice smile.

Kylo on the other hand is tragically beautiful, as I've said a few times. His looming hight, conservative costume, pale skin and jet-black hair and eyes are just very evocative. I think the appeal also has a lot to do with his voice and the way he moves. He's very unusual looking, a romantic lead more suited to literature than film. He's Dorian Grey, not Thor.

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

Is it just me or is he wearing eyeliner? xD

But yeah, tragically beautiful. Not handsome, not "sexy" or "hot". Beautiful. And people say he's not supposed to be the romantic lead LOL

vaderito wrote:Lets not forget that emo/deranged/haunted = bangs too. He grew bangs in the snowy forest.

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

vaderito wrote:There's one thing about Kylo that doesn't compute. Since he felt abandoned and neglected, wouldn't that make him more eager for human contact and intimacy than shunning it in such extreme way? usually people who lack it become promiscuous because they try to substitute in all the wrong ways. But locking oneself out of any human touch and intimacy like Kylo does makes sense only if he had some terrible experience with it, like physical abuse. Which we know he didn't suffer from his parents. Wearing all those layers and a mask is hiding himself and keeping whatever whoever out. It's like willing prison.

It actually makes complete sense, and it is a willing prison. Kylo is an individual who attempts to deny certain aspects of his being, most notably the "pull to the Light". The "Light" itself as a huge symbol representative of the pull to his family, to attachment, to intimacy, to the life he never lived. He was indoctrinated to believe that such fickle human qualities are beneath him, but he can't help but feel a desire for what he was always starved of. He dismisses it, but it's clear that he repeatedly "feels it again".

He hates the pull to the Light. He hates Ben Solo, the man he conceals in layers of clothing. He doesn't want to be Ben Solo or Kylo Ren, he wants to be an extension of Vader, to finish what Vader started.

As for most people "usually" turning to promiscuity... that's just not true at all. Ren is very much a commentary on a child who was preyed upon by an older figure when his parents were absent. That has sexual abuse written all over it. I am NOT saying that Snoke physically abused Ren, but he did groom him in a manner that eerily echoes the mannerisms of a pedophile. The metaphor is there, and it's not hidden. The conversations Leia and Han have, as well as Ren's face-off with Han, also corroborate it. Your "terrible experiences" can be found in this metaphor.

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

vaderito wrote:Lets not forget that emo/deranged/haunted = bangs too. He grew bangs in the snowy forest.

He always had the bangs though. They were just hairsprayed in-place. So much hairspray.

BastilaBey wrote:

vaderito wrote:There's one thing about Kylo that doesn't compute. Since he felt abandoned and neglected, wouldn't that make him more eager for human contact and intimacy than shunning it in such extreme way? usually people who lack it become promiscuous because they try to substitute in all the wrong ways. But locking oneself out of any human touch and intimacy like Kylo does makes sense only if he had some terrible experience with it, like physical abuse. Which we know he didn't suffer from his parents. Wearing all those layers and a mask is hiding himself and keeping whatever whoever out. It's like willing prison.

It says in the novel that part of his training is to ensure he avoids all emotion. Clearly, it's not really working for him because he's a total wreck. But I'd say he doesn't trust anyone, perhaps not even Snoke. He feels like he's been let down by every family member and must not have any friends. It's very sad to think about.

Reynak wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

Reynak wrote:

vaderito wrote:Eh, we talk a lot about AD's huge ears and nose and 1000 moles so talk about someone's big butt shouldn't be different.

You're right, people complain about comments that could be racist but then they say Adam is ugly and has huge ears. I find it difficult to say an actor or actress is ugly because it makes me seem too superficial, but this is an example of double standars. I have read posts on boards, IMDB for instance saying Driver is ugly and never seen any saying John is ugly.

Well, IMO, Driver is much more attractive that John and there are a lot of women who agree, as far as I've seen.
It seems we have to be very careful because if we say this it's not politically correct, but in my case and most people's it has nothing to do with colour.

I don't find John very attractive either (just personal preference). I can see why some women would like him though. He has that boyish charm. He's cute, he has a nice smile.

Kylo on the other hand is tragically beautiful, as I've said a few times. His looming hight, conservative costume, pale skin and jet-black hair and eyes are just very evocative. I think the appeal also has a lot to do with his voice and the way he moves. He's very unusual looking, a romantic lead more suited to literature than film. He's Dorian Grey, not Thor.

Well, I agree with you, nearly, because I think he is very well suited to film. Unusual looks are the one's you never forget, there are people who are good looking but their faces remind you of any other pretty people you've seen. This is impossible if you look like Adam. As for the rest, I agree, he has the look of a victorian hero or perhaps anti-hero. The way he walks, his voice,his tall frame, the broad shoulderslong legs,that's very attractive for that type of characters. He would look fantastic in period drama, for instance, he has the look. And yes he does look eerily beautiful in some scenes,especially on that catwalk but I think he wasn't doing what it seems, I've always thought he is a man on a mission and that this mission is just and necessary. Just a theory, of course, but it feels right to me.

SoloSideCousin wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:

vaderito wrote:There's one thing about Kylo that doesn't compute. Since he felt abandoned and neglected, wouldn't that make him more eager for human contact and intimacy than shunning it in such extreme way? usually people who lack it become promiscuous because they try to substitute in all the wrong ways. But locking oneself out of any human touch and intimacy like Kylo does makes sense only if he had some terrible experience with it, like physical abuse. Which we know he didn't suffer from his parents. Wearing all those layers and a mask is hiding himself and keeping whatever whoever out. It's like willing prison.

It says in the novel that part of his training is to ensure he avoids all emotion. Clearly, it's not really working for him because he's a total wreck. But I'd say he doesn't trust anyone, perhaps not even Snoke. He feels like he's been let down by every family member and must not have any friends. It's very sad to think about.

IMO, he doesn't trust Snoke one bit.  That's why he tries to lie to him and is always so submissive with him.  IMO Kylo knows what Snoke has done to him to some extent.  He just either has no clue how to get out of it and/or he thinks it's too late and he is resigned to his terrible fate.  I think he actually tries to trust Rey.  I think he believes she is someone special and he connects to her forcewise and he tries to reach out to her, hence the unmasking.  That reaching out definitely had some mixed results (face slash, etc.), so it will be interesting to see how quickly he reaches out to her again in Episode VIII.  He may be so in love with her he might not be able to help himself, or he might try to double down on his "armor yourself" mindset in the first part of Episode VIII before he can't help but be "dragged into the light again."

Gemini wrote:

Reynak wrote:

Gemini wrote:The very first lines of the film basically tell you how the trilogy must end

You mean this?

The first thing San Tekka says is,

"This will begin to make things right."

Are this the words people refer to?

The first lines, "this will make things right.....need a balance in the force."

Ahem

Ren and Rey

He is telling us what will happen,

Cheer up, child. It’ll turn out all right in the end. You’ll see.

vaderito wrote:These Reylo moments are so underrated. Reylos usually focus on stuff that happens before and after, but this is "You are so lonely":







I call this his "missionary position face" coz there's something about it that made me think sex in missionary. Can't quite pinpoint what. Also, appreciate big, manly nose. I wish she looked in his direction.

SoloSideCousin wrote:

vaderito wrote:These Reylo moments are so underrated. Reylos usually focus on stuff that happens before and after, but this is "You are so lonely":







I call this his "missionary position face" coz there's something about it that made me think sex in missionary. Can't quite pinpoint what. Also, appreciate big, manly nose. I wish she looked in his direction.

This is Reylo.  This is Kylo Ren getting his soul back.  I have watched that bit a bunch of times.  AD gives life to Reylo between "You are so lonely ... I see the island."  This is the sensitive guy underneath, the one who is hurt, the one who is hidden and protected.  He lets her see him.

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SoloSideCousin wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:

vaderito wrote:There's one thing about Kylo that doesn't compute. Since he felt abandoned and neglected, wouldn't that make him more eager for human contact and intimacy than shunning it in such extreme way? usually people who lack it become promiscuous because they try to substitute in all the wrong ways. But locking oneself out of any human touch and intimacy like Kylo does makes sense only if he had some terrible experience with it, like physical abuse. Which we know he didn't suffer from his parents. Wearing all those layers and a mask is hiding himself and keeping whatever whoever out. It's like willing prison.

It says in the novel that part of his training is to ensure he avoids all emotion. Clearly, it's not really working for him because he's a total wreck. But I'd say he doesn't trust anyone, perhaps not even Snoke. He feels like he's been let down by every family member and must not have any friends. It's very sad to think about.

IMO, he doesn't trust Snoke one bit.  That's why he tries to lie to him and is always so submissive with him.  IMO Kylo knows what Snoke has done to him to some extent.  He just either has no clue how to get out of it and/or he thinks it's too late and he is resigned to his terrible fate.  I think he actually tries to trust Rey.  I think he believes she is someone special and he connects to her forcewise and he tries to reach out to her, hence the unmasking.  That reaching out definitely had some mixed results (face slash, etc.), so it will be interesting to see how quickly he reaches out to her again in Episode VIII.  He may be so in love with her he might not be able to help himself, or he might try to double down on his "armor yourself" mindset in the first part of Episode VIII before he can't help but be "dragged into the light again."

Gemini wrote:That line "I can take whatever I want" will always floor me for so many reasons.

He's very business in his tone, then suddenly he looks at her body and his tone becomes a whisper only to her. Im certain the man is trying to flirt (badly) but still its a flirt. It is a direct follow on from calling her a scavenger, she takes what she wants..he can take what HE wants from her. He thinks its a good line but its really not Ren..also its his curiosity of how a scavenger could get that information from the droid..but the fact he does not immediately go looking for the droid in her thoughts after saying that line rings bells for me that the line was supposed to be about his hunger for her, not the information about the droid.