Rey's Lineage Discussion II - 1

Maria Antonietta wrote:I would be totally fine with Rey random but we are talking about a billion worth franchise, you just can't have a random heroine and make us wait for chapter IX to say who she is. That's why I'm not sold to this idea

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Maria Antonietta wrote:I would be totally fine with Rey random but we are talking about a billion worth franchise, you just can't have a random heroine and make us wait for chapter IX to say who she is. That's why I'm not sold to this idea

@Maria Antonietta

What I don't like about the Rey Random theory is how it makes who she falls in love with more important than where she comes from. As a person who studies history and has a detailed foundation of my lineage especially on my Fathers side going back 200 years, that knowledge has always been important to me.

I know that people who are adopted and or orphans search for their hidden past, there is a deep innate human need to understand where we come from and who our ancestors are.

Darth Dingbat wrote:Not sure if I mentioned this before, as this isn't obviously any kind of "evidence" - but if Rey were a Palpatine or otherwise of Naboo lineage, "Rey" could be her original nickname, a part of her real name. If you consider the conventional female names in Naboo: Padmé, Sabé, Dormé...

Rey's name might end in -ré.

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:Not sure if I mentioned this before, as this isn't obviously any kind of "evidence" - but if Rey were a Palpatine or otherwise of Naboo lineage, "Rey" could be her original nickname, a part of her real name. If you consider the conventional female names in Naboo: Padmé, Sabé, Dormé...

Rey's name might end in -ré.

@Darth Dingbat

Papa Palpy

Darth Dingbat wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:Not sure if I mentioned this before, as this isn't obviously any kind of "evidence" - but if Rey were a Palpatine or otherwise of Naboo lineage, "Rey" could be her original nickname, a part of her real name. If you consider the conventional female names in Naboo: Padmé, Sabé, Dormé...

Rey's name might end in -ré.

@Darth Dingbat

Papa Palpy

@spacebaby45678

Well, I did say "or otherwise of Naboo lineage" Who knows, maybe her grandfather is Obi-Wan and her grandmother is Sabé. I've said it before, but that's a film I'd love to see! With Ewan and Keira.

But if Palpy was out there having children, I'd prefer to think he did it back when he still looked like this (my headcanon for young Palpatine)  

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:Not sure if I mentioned this before, as this isn't obviously any kind of "evidence" - but if Rey were a Palpatine or otherwise of Naboo lineage, "Rey" could be her original nickname, a part of her real name. If you consider the conventional female names in Naboo: Padmé, Sabé, Dormé...

Rey's name might end in -ré.

@Darth Dingbat

Papa Palpy

@spacebaby45678

Well, I did say "or otherwise of Naboo lineage" Who knows, maybe her grandfather is Obi-Wan and her grandmother is Sabé. I've said it before, but that's a film I'd love to see! With Ewan and Keira.

But if Palpy was out there having children, I'd prefer to think he did it back when he still looked like this (my headcanon for young Palpatine)  

@Darth Dingbat

I know Hiddleston rocks some boats, he just does NOTHING for me, however he would make a great Young Palpatine murdering his father and his whole family... Yup....Is that still canon or legends?

Darth Dingbat wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:Not sure if I mentioned this before, as this isn't obviously any kind of "evidence" - but if Rey were a Palpatine or otherwise of Naboo lineage, "Rey" could be her original nickname, a part of her real name. If you consider the conventional female names in Naboo: Padmé, Sabé, Dormé...

Rey's name might end in -ré.

@Darth Dingbat

Papa Palpy

@spacebaby45678

Well, I did say "or otherwise of Naboo lineage" Who knows, maybe her grandfather is Obi-Wan and her grandmother is Sabé. I've said it before, but that's a film I'd love to see! With Ewan and Keira.

But if Palpy was out there having children, I'd prefer to think he did it back when he still looked like this (my headcanon for young Palpatine)  

@Darth Dingbat

I know Hiddleston rocks some boats, he just does NOTHING for me, however he would make a great Young Palpatine murdering his father and his whole family... Yup....Is that still canon or legends?

@spacebaby45678

Legends, I believe. But I don't doubt Palpatine will get a new canon backstory eventually.

I still prefer the Robot Chicken version, however.

CienaRee wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:Great article on why Rey Random is the better option, don't agree with all of it but it is a good read




Rey Random, and why it makes sense


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So if Rey’s parents are original, unknown characters, why all the mystery? My personal speculation is that their identity isn’t important, but what happened to them – the reason Rey was abandoned on Jakku – is.

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@spacebaby45678

This is interesting. After all the fuss about Rey parentage I thought that she could not be a random, but now this different approach is making me reconsider all the subject again.
About the photos above, with the "rey skywalker confirmed" caption... well, in a consistent universe like SW you can't expect to not find similar objects, clothes, planets, weapons, vehicles, droids, and so on. That's why I never look at this type of hint as a proof. How many people weared that type of helmet? Han has one identical too. A lot of resistance affiliates wear that helmet in ESB. So? So it does not mean anything at all.

@spacebaby45678 @ZenBrainJam

While I can see where people saying that it's more important  why Rey was left on Jakku than who her parents are the movie didn't present it that way.I mean they could have had Rey remeber who her parents are and have her wait for them to come back for her while at the same time having  no idea why they left her there but the additional materilas make it clear that Rey has no memory of who she or her family is.I also don't think so many people are interetsed in Rey's parentage because there was nothing else to disucss about her character but because it was presented as something important unlike Finn who alsohas no family but people arent speculating who these people might be.So why all the mistery if it wouldn't end up being something importnat to the overall story?It just doesnt make lot of sense to em from a storytelling POV.When you keep the origins of the protagonist a mistery it's usually because they're important and sometimes even the answer to the overall plot as well as change the protagonist in some ways like with Oliver Twist for example.While his parents were dead by the time the evnts of the novel happen they were still important to the story and Oliver himself.

ZenBrainJam wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:Great article on why Rey Random is the better option, don't agree with all of it but it is a good read




Rey Random, and why it makes sense


CUT

So if Rey’s parents are original, unknown characters, why all the mystery? My personal speculation is that their identity isn’t important, but what happened to them – the reason Rey was abandoned on Jakku – is.

CUT

@spacebaby45678

This is interesting. After all the fuss about Rey parentage I thought that she could not be a random, but now this different approach is making me reconsider all the subject again.
About the photos above, with the "rey skywalker confirmed" caption... well, in a consistent universe like SW you can't expect to not find similar objects, clothes, planets, weapons, vehicles, droids, and so on. That's why I never look at this type of hint as a proof. How many people weared that type of helmet? Han has one identical too. A lot of resistance affiliates wear that helmet in ESB. So? So it does not mean anything at all.

@spacebaby45678 @ZenBrainJam

While I can see where people saying that it's more important  why Rey was left on Jakku than who her parents are the movie didn't present it that way.I mean they could have had Rey remeber who her parents are and have her wait for them to come back for her while at the same time having  no idea why they left her there but the additional materilas make it clear that Rey has no memory of who she or her family is.I also don't think so many people are interetsed in Rey's parentage because there was nothing else to disucss about her character but because it was presented as something important unlike Finn who alsohas no family but people arent speculating who these people might be.So why all the mistery if it wouldn't end up being something importnat to the overall story?It just doesnt make lot of sense to em from a storytelling POV.When you keep the origins of the protagonist a mistery it's usually because they're important and sometimes even the answer to the overall plot as well as change the protagonist in some ways like with Oliver Twist for example.While his parents were dead by the time the evnts of the novel happen they were still important to the story and Oliver himself.

@CienaRee

I know what are you saying here, but I do not totally agree. I mean, why left a five years old kid with Hunkar Plutt? Why? That's not a little thing: yeah, now I will go to the shops, leaving my daughter with a disgusting slaver probably sexual predator too...
Run away without her: why? Run away from who? Run where? And run who? Just mom and dad? Siblings, someone else? Who knows.

@Maria Antonietta Disney had random heroines in love stories before: Belle, Mulan, Tiana, Cinderella... if the reason why Rey was left alone on Jakku is very big, yes, they can make us wait for four years and then not get disappointed with the final explanation (also because maybe Rey will be so awesome herself that we will not need any parentage at all to welcome her in SW heroes olympus).

Or maybe the mystery box about Rey parentage was a bit too much secretive in TFA and get out of hand? IDK.
For now I am not sure anymore about Rey random or Rey Kenobi/Palpatine. I will see in VIII and IX.

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:Not sure if I mentioned this before, as this isn't obviously any kind of "evidence" - but if Rey were a Palpatine or otherwise of Naboo lineage, "Rey" could be her original nickname, a part of her real name. If you consider the conventional female names in Naboo: Padmé, Sabé, Dormé...

Rey's name might end in -ré.

@Darth Dingbat

Papa Palpy

@spacebaby45678

Well, I did say "or otherwise of Naboo lineage" Who knows, maybe her grandfather is Obi-Wan and her grandmother is Sabé. I've said it before, but that's a film I'd love to see! With Ewan and Keira.

But if Palpy was out there having children, I'd prefer to think he did it back when he still looked like this (my headcanon for young Palpatine)  

@Darth Dingbat

I know Hiddleston rocks some boats, he just does NOTHING for me, however he would make a great Young Palpatine murdering his father and his whole family... Yup....Is that still canon or legends?

@spacebaby45678

Legends, I believe. But I don't doubt Palpatine will get a new canon backstory eventually.

I still prefer the Robot Chicken version, however.

@Darth Dingbat

OFF TOPIC, and I hope I don't offend you, but I will so NOT be happy if he is the next Bond.

Maria Antonietta wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:Great article on why Rey Random is the better option, don't agree with all of it but it is a good read




Rey Random, and why it makes sense


CUT

So if Rey’s parents are original, unknown characters, why all the mystery? My personal speculation is that their identity isn’t important, but what happened to them – the reason Rey was abandoned on Jakku – is.

CUT

@spacebaby45678

This is interesting. After all the fuss about Rey parentage I thought that she could not be a random, but now this different approach is making me reconsider all the subject again.
About the photos above, with the "rey skywalker confirmed" caption... well, in a consistent universe like SW you can't expect to not find similar objects, clothes, planets, weapons, vehicles, droids, and so on. That's why I never look at this type of hint as a proof. How many people weared that type of helmet? Han has one identical too. A lot of resistance affiliates wear that helmet in ESB. So? So it does not mean anything at all.

@spacebaby45678 @ZenBrainJam

While I can see where people saying that it's more important  why Rey was left on Jakku than who her parents are the movie didn't present it that way.I mean they could have had Rey remeber who her parents are and have her wait for them to come back for her while at the same time having  no idea why they left her there but the additional materilas make it clear that Rey has no memory of who she or her family is.I also don't think so many people are interetsed in Rey's parentage because there was nothing else to disucss about her character but because it was presented as something important unlike Finn who alsohas no family but people arent speculating who these people might be.So why all the mistery if it wouldn't end up being something importnat to the overall story?It just doesnt make lot of sense to em from a storytelling POV.When you keep the origins of the protagonist a mistery it's usually because they're important and sometimes even the answer to the overall plot as well as change the protagonist in some ways like with Oliver Twist for example.While his parents were dead by the time the evnts of the novel happen they were still important to the story and Oliver himself.

@CienaRee

I know what are you saying here, but I do not totally agree. I mean, why left a five years old kid with Hunkar Plutt? Why? That's not a little thing: yeah, now I will go to the shops, leaving my daughter with a disgusting slaver probably sexual predator too...
Run away without her: why? Run away from who? Run where? And run who? Just mom and dad? Siblings, someone else? Who knows.

@Maria Antonietta Disney had random heroines in love stories before: Belle, Mulan, Tiana, Cinderella... if the reason why Rey was left alone on Jakku is very big, yes, they can make us wait for four years and then not get disappointed with the final explanation (also because maybe Rey will be so awesome herself that we will not need any parentage at all to welcome her in SW heroes olympus).

Or maybe the mystery box about Rey parentage was a bit too much secretive in TFA and get out of hand? IDK.
For now I am not sure anymore about Rey random or Rey Kenobi/Palpatine. I will see in VIII and IX.

@ZenBrainJam

I know, but all the wait and secrecy are futile for Rey random xD

ZenBrainJam wrote:

Maria Antonietta wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:Great article on why Rey Random is the better option, don't agree with all of it but it is a good read




Rey Random, and why it makes sense


CUT

So if Rey’s parents are original, unknown characters, why all the mystery? My personal speculation is that their identity isn’t important, but what happened to them – the reason Rey was abandoned on Jakku – is.

CUT

@spacebaby45678

This is interesting. After all the fuss about Rey parentage I thought that she could not be a random, but now this different approach is making me reconsider all the subject again.
About the photos above, with the "rey skywalker confirmed" caption... well, in a consistent universe like SW you can't expect to not find similar objects, clothes, planets, weapons, vehicles, droids, and so on. That's why I never look at this type of hint as a proof. How many people weared that type of helmet? Han has one identical too. A lot of resistance affiliates wear that helmet in ESB. So? So it does not mean anything at all.

@spacebaby45678 @ZenBrainJam

While I can see where people saying that it's more important  why Rey was left on Jakku than who her parents are the movie didn't present it that way.I mean they could have had Rey remeber who her parents are and have her wait for them to come back for her while at the same time having  no idea why they left her there but the additional materilas make it clear that Rey has no memory of who she or her family is.I also don't think so many people are interetsed in Rey's parentage because there was nothing else to disucss about her character but because it was presented as something important unlike Finn who alsohas no family but people arent speculating who these people might be.So why all the mistery if it wouldn't end up being something importnat to the overall story?It just doesnt make lot of sense to em from a storytelling POV.When you keep the origins of the protagonist a mistery it's usually because they're important and sometimes even the answer to the overall plot as well as change the protagonist in some ways like with Oliver Twist for example.While his parents were dead by the time the evnts of the novel happen they were still important to the story and Oliver himself.

@CienaRee

I know what are you saying here, but I do not totally agree. I mean, why left a five years old kid with Hunkar Plutt? Why? That's not a little thing: yeah, now I will go to the shops, leaving my daughter with a disgusting slaver probably sexual predator too...
Run away without her: why? Run away from who? Run where? And run who? Just mom and dad? Siblings, someone else? Who knows.

@Maria Antonietta Disney had random heroines in love stories before: Belle, Mulan, Tiana, Cinderella... if the reason why Rey was left alone on Jakku is very big, yes, they can make us wait for four years and then not get disappointed with the final explanation (also because maybe Rey will be so awesome herself that we will not need any parentage at all to welcome her in SW heroes olympus).

Or maybe the mystery box about Rey parentage was a bit too much secretive in TFA and get out of hand? IDK.
For now I am not sure anymore about Rey random or Rey Kenobi/Palpatine. I will see in VIII and IX.

@ZenBrainJam

I know, but all the wait and secrecy are futile for Rey random xD

@Maria Antonietta

But the waiting isn't futile for "why they left her there alone", whoever they are, so my point stands for now.

CienaRee wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

Maria Antonietta wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

ZenBrainJam wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:Great article on why Rey Random is the better option, don't agree with all of it but it is a good read




Rey Random, and why it makes sense


CUT

So if Rey’s parents are original, unknown characters, why all the mystery? My personal speculation is that their identity isn’t important, but what happened to them – the reason Rey was abandoned on Jakku – is.

CUT

@spacebaby45678

This is interesting. After all the fuss about Rey parentage I thought that she could not be a random, but now this different approach is making me reconsider all the subject again.
About the photos above, with the "rey skywalker confirmed" caption... well, in a consistent universe like SW you can't expect to not find similar objects, clothes, planets, weapons, vehicles, droids, and so on. That's why I never look at this type of hint as a proof. How many people weared that type of helmet? Han has one identical too. A lot of resistance affiliates wear that helmet in ESB. So? So it does not mean anything at all.

@spacebaby45678 @ZenBrainJam

While I can see where people saying that it's more important  why Rey was left on Jakku than who her parents are the movie didn't present it that way.I mean they could have had Rey remeber who her parents are and have her wait for them to come back for her while at the same time having  no idea why they left her there but the additional materilas make it clear that Rey has no memory of who she or her family is.I also don't think so many people are interetsed in Rey's parentage because there was nothing else to disucss about her character but because it was presented as something important unlike Finn who alsohas no family but people arent speculating who these people might be.So why all the mistery if it wouldn't end up being something importnat to the overall story?It just doesnt make lot of sense to em from a storytelling POV.When you keep the origins of the protagonist a mistery it's usually because they're important and sometimes even the answer to the overall plot as well as change the protagonist in some ways like with Oliver Twist for example.While his parents were dead by the time the evnts of the novel happen they were still important to the story and Oliver himself.

@CienaRee

I know what are you saying here, but I do not totally agree. I mean, why left a five years old kid with Hunkar Plutt? Why? That's not a little thing: yeah, now I will go to the shops, leaving my daughter with a disgusting slaver probably sexual predator too...
Run away without her: why? Run away from who? Run where? And run who? Just mom and dad? Siblings, someone else? Who knows.

@Maria Antonietta Disney had random heroines in love stories before: Belle, Mulan, Tiana, Cinderella... if the reason why Rey was left alone on Jakku is very big, yes, they can make us wait for four years and then not get disappointed with the final explanation (also because maybe Rey will be so awesome herself that we will not need any parentage at all to welcome her in SW heroes olympus).

Or maybe the mystery box about Rey parentage was a bit too much secretive in TFA and get out of hand? IDK.
For now I am not sure anymore about Rey random or Rey Kenobi/Palpatine. I will see in VIII and IX.

@ZenBrainJam

I know, but all the wait and secrecy are futile for Rey random xD

@Maria Antonietta

But the waiting isn't futile for "why they left her there alone", whoever they are, so my point stands for now.

@ZenBrainJam

Sorry,if you misunderstood me.I agree that the reason why Rey was left might be more important than her parentage but the point I was trying to make is that they could have created that mistery without keeping her parents a secret unless they're well known characters or very important people in the New Republic/FO.
Maybe they made a mistake by not going that route who knows.

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Jakku wrote:I was rewatching TFA tonight, and it occurred to me that there might be a clue in the opening bit where Poe 'abandons' BB8 ("I'll come back for you") because BB8 has something of vital importance to keep safe.  

Does this foreshadow the possibility that Rey's family abandoned her because there was something important about her that they couldn't protect in that moment?

Poe didn't make it back for BB8, as Rey's family didn't make it back for her.  Perhaps, as someone mentioned, the identity of her parents is unimportant, but the reason for them needing to leave her on Jakku IS important?

Jakku wrote:I was rewatching TFA tonight, and it occurred to me that there might be a clue in the opening bit where Poe 'abandons' BB8 ("I'll come back for you") because BB8 has something of vital importance to keep safe.

Does this foreshadow the possibility that Rey's family abandoned her because there was something important about her that they couldn't protect in that moment?

Poe didn't make it back for BB8, as Rey's family didn't make it back for her. Perhaps, as someone mentioned, the identity of her parents is unimportant, but the reason for them needing to leave her on Jakku IS important?

Jakku wrote:I was rewatching TFA tonight, and it occurred to me that there might be a clue in the opening bit where Poe 'abandons' BB8 ("I'll come back for you") because BB8 has something of vital importance to keep safe.

Does this foreshadow the possibility that Rey's family abandoned her because there was something important about her that they couldn't protect in that moment?

Poe didn't make it back for BB8, as Rey's family didn't make it back for her. Perhaps, as someone mentioned, the identity of her parents is unimportant, but the reason for them needing to leave her on Jakku IS important?

BastilaBey wrote:@vaderito well, quite. It's ludicrous to suggest that JJ didn't know who Rey's parents were going to be, otherwise how do you inform her interactions with any of the other characters? The story has to make sense as a whole, including those dynamics.