Snoke in Episodes VIII

@creepi0 That's a great point. I think that's what it is.

SanghaRen wrote:I don't know where to place this question that just popped in my mind. Maybe it's been discussed some place else already and I missed it.

I am watching the second season of Star Wars Rebels in French - I could not get it in English, I hate dubbing but I was fed up of waiting. I know Snoke is not a Sith lord but do you think that he uses inquisitors? Could BDT be an inquisitor working for Snoke? Actually could Snoke be a former inquisitor of Darth Vader? He does look as scary as the ones in Rebels. But maybe they all got killed or died of natural causes.

Snoke is definitely inspired by the inquisitors and he could even have once been an inquisitor....after all, Kylo has an interrogation chair and tools like the ones used by the Inquisitors.

Spoiler:

The grand inquisitor is an Umbaran so humanoid but he died on Rebels.....while he might not be Snoke, maybe he knew him and that is why he said that his defeat would unleash something worse upon them all.

It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

I've tried to look for the lyrics written down, but alas, I haven't been able to find them And the throaty singing isn't exactly the clearest. But I imagine one might be able to pick up words with headphones if one knows what to listen for? Of course, I don't know if the singers' pronunciation is even accurate.

Darth Dingbat wrote:

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

I've tried to look for the lyrics written down, but alas, I haven't been able to find them   And the throaty singing isn't exactly the clearest. But I imagine one might be able to pick up words with headphones if one knows what to listen for? Of course, I don't know if the singers' pronunciation is even accurate.

@Darth Dingbat

I've tried listening to it a few times now... can't make out the lyrics...some words seem to make sense but they seem more like Urdu to me so that cannot be right... I'll wait for my husband to come home and ask him to listen to it...maybe he'll have better luck.

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

that's so cool my uncle studied Sanskrit too

Mana wrote:

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

that's so cool my uncle studied Sanskrit too

@Mana

Wow.... it is a hard language to learn..... especially the grammar.

Right now my head is bursting with information.... while I haven't been able to identify the Kipling poem (it is really difficult to understand the lyrics) I have a suspicion regarding which one it might be... I just need to speak to someone familiar with celtic mythology (particularly Welsh lore) before I am able to put some pieces together. I know a little but there is some deep stuff here that they might be applying which I am not able to wrap my head around.

panki wrote:

Mana wrote:

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

that's so cool my uncle studied Sanskrit too

@Mana

Wow.... it is a hard language to learn..... especially the grammar.

Right now my head is bursting with information.... while I haven't been able to identify the Kipling poem (it is really difficult to understand the lyrics) I have a suspicion regarding which one it might be... I just need to speak to someone familiar with celtic mythology (particularly Welsh lore) before I am able to put some pieces together. I know a little but there is some deep stuff here that they might be applying which I am not able to wrap my head around.

@panki

yeah it is hard..he was ordained as a Buddhist monk, so they study languages like Pali as well...I'm not even sure if Pali and Sanskrit are the same thing, maybe not..

Mana wrote:

panki wrote:

Mana wrote:

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

that's so cool my uncle studied Sanskrit too

@Mana

Wow.... it is a hard language to learn..... especially the grammar.

Right now my head is bursting with information.... while I haven't been able to identify the Kipling poem (it is really difficult to understand the lyrics) I have a suspicion regarding which one it might be... I just need to speak to someone familiar with celtic mythology (particularly Welsh lore) before I am able to put some pieces together. I know a little but there is some deep stuff here that they might be applying which I am not able to wrap my head around.

@panki

yeah it is hard..he was ordained as a Buddhist monk, so they study languages like Pali as well...I'm not even sure if Pali and Sanskrit are the same thing, maybe not..

@Mana

I think Pali is another indo-aryan language and might have developed from Sanskrit....it is a dialect common to the area where Buddhism initially flourished....so a lot of the really ancient texts were written in that language.

panki wrote:

Mana wrote:

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

that's so cool my uncle studied Sanskrit too

@Mana

Wow.... it is a hard language to learn..... especially the grammar.

Right now my head is bursting with information.... while I haven't been able to identify the Kipling poem (it is really difficult to understand the lyrics) I have a suspicion regarding which one it might be... I just need to speak to someone familiar with celtic mythology (particularly Welsh lore) before I am able to put some pieces together. I know a little but there is some deep stuff here that they might be applying which I am not able to wrap my head around.

@panki

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

Snoke's theme was inspired by a Kipling poem ... and it's in Sanskrit? I must have missed this somewhere. Too much content SW universe, too much content, lol.

The theme that's played during Padme's funeral is sung in Sanskrit as well...I recognized some of the words

Mana wrote:The theme that's played during Padme's funeral is sung in Sanskrit as well...I recognized some of the words

@Mana

That one is really beautiful.....I think it is about sweet sleep/dreams and death overcoming/controlling fear. (at least that is what I understood)

panki wrote:

Mana wrote:The theme that's played during Padme's funeral is sung in Sanskrit as well...I recognized some of the words

@Mana

That one is really beautiful.....I think it is about sweet sleep/dreams and death overcoming/controlling fear. (at least that is what I understood)

@panki

but they pronounce "Svapna" like "Svepna"...I didn't get that word at first ....or maybe it's pronounced like that I'm not sure

Mana wrote:

panki wrote:

Mana wrote:The theme that's played during Padme's funeral is sung in Sanskrit as well...I recognized some of the words

@Mana

That one is really beautiful.....I think it is about sweet sleep/dreams and death overcoming/controlling fear. (at least that is what I understood)

@panki

but they pronounce "Svapna" like "Svepna"...I didn't get that word at first ....or maybe it's pronounced like that I'm not sure

@Mana

I think it is normally pronounced as Svapna... maybe they modified its pronunciation to go with the music better?

panki wrote:

Mana wrote:

panki wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:It occurred to me... does anyone here know any Sanskrit, or know somebody who does?

Would be fun to know what the lyrics of Snoke's theme are about, even vaguely - it would help to find out which Kipling poem they were inspired by.

@Darth Dingbat

My husband has studied sanskrit....and I understand a little.... what are the lyrics? I haven't ever heard them.

@panki

that's so cool my uncle studied Sanskrit too

@Mana

Wow.... it is a hard language to learn..... especially the grammar.

Right now my head is bursting with information.... while I haven't been able to identify the Kipling poem (it is really difficult to understand the lyrics) I have a suspicion regarding which one it might be... I just need to speak to someone familiar with celtic mythology (particularly Welsh lore) before I am able to put some pieces together. I know a little but there is some deep stuff here that they might be applying which I am not able to wrap my head around.

@panki

Gosh, I wish I knew more about Celtic/Welsh mythology! I read the Mabinogion once, but that's about it - and I barely remember anything about it

Very curious to hear what you're speculating...!

I started to look at the video, but only made it one minute. I always have a hard time watching speculation videos. I will try later. Anyhow looking at the first images of Snoke, I really had this feeling of watching an old creep, who would still have tricks up his sleeves but not the strength of his youth. And what do old creeps do then? They use young ones for their strength and make them do what they can no longer do. I wonder how strong Snoke really is.

SanghaRen wrote:I started to look at the video, but only made it one minute. I always have a hard time watching speculation videos. I will try later. Anyhow looking at the first images of Snoke, I really had this feeling of watching an old creep, who would still have tricks up his sleeves but not the strength of his youth. And what do old creeps do then? They use young ones for their strength and make them do what they can no longer do. I wonder how strong Snoke really is.

@SanghaRen

SanghaRen wrote:I started to look at the video, but only made it one minute. I always have a hard time watching speculation videos. I will try later. Anyhow looking at the first images of Snoke, I really had this feeling of watching an old creep, who would still have tricks up his sleeves but not the strength of his youth. And what do old creeps do then? They use young ones for their strength and make them do what they can no longer do. I wonder how strong Snoke really is.

@SanghaRen

That's a great point. It also makes me wonder how strong Kylo/Ben without Snoke as a parasite.

I always thought Snoke never wanted to train Ben/Kylo to be strong. He wanted to make him weaker and unstable so he could absorb his power. After the spoilers for Empire's End, I think this is very possible.

Can you imagine the DRAMA? Ben/Kylo is manipulated his whole life, led to believe he was doing the right thing and that Snoke is trying to make him stronger... except he's just, quoting Han Solo, using him for his power?

Piper Maru wrote:I always thought Snoke never wanted to train Ben/Kylo to be strong. He wanted to make him weaker and unstable so he could absorb his power. After the spoilers for Empire's End, I think this is very possible.

Can you imagine the DRAMA? Ben/Kylo is manipulated his whole life, led to believe he was doing the right thing and that Snoke is trying to make him stronger... except he's just, quoting Han Solo, using him for his power?

@Piper Maru

I've also thought for a long time that Snoke is trying to form Kylo into the ideal body for him to take over. That would require building up his strength while also keeping his mind in turmoil so it's harder to fight. That seems to be exactly what he's accomplishing so far!

He's the embodiment of an ancient dark side force who's going body hopping and picked out a Skywalker to hand groom into the perfect vessel. That's my theory in a nutshell! And as you said elsewhere, this would greatly reduce the chance of Rey Skywalker, since he'd be following her closely too.

ZioRen wrote:

Piper Maru wrote:I always thought Snoke never wanted to train Ben/Kylo to be strong. He wanted to make him weaker and unstable so he could absorb his power. After the spoilers for Empire's End, I think this is very possible.

Can you imagine the DRAMA? Ben/Kylo is manipulated his whole life, led to believe he was doing the right thing and that Snoke is trying to make him stronger... except he's just, quoting Han Solo, using him for his power?

@Piper Maru

I've also thought for a long time that Snoke is trying to form Kylo into the ideal body for him to take over. That would require building up his strength while also keeping his mind in turmoil so it's harder to fight. That seems to be exactly what he's accomplishing so far!

He's the embodiment of an ancient dark side force who's going body hopping and picked out a Skywalker to hand groom into the perfect vessel. That's my theory in a nutshell! And as you said elsewhere, this would greatly reduce the chance of Rey Skywalker, since he'd be following her closely too.

@ZioRen

That's also something that I've thought for a long time. There must one precise reason why Snoke targeted this child: her certainly saw him as the best opportunity to accomplish his goal. It is clearly written that he wants to make a masterpiece with him, creating a sort of perfect embodiment of darkness and light. This is something Snoke has worked for for decades if you take account of the fact that his shadow was there from the craddle. To do what exactly, that is the question The motivation of the villain is what drives the plot in general but the problem for us is that the screenwriters made sure to reduce Snoke's screentime in TFA.

I thought that they'd keep it implicit so to actually read about Snoke doing that to fetus!Ben makes it even more sad and tragic...That's what I mean when I say that I want Kylo to kill Snoke and get his revenge, I really want him to know how a life without Snoke is like:(

Piper Maru wrote:
Can you imagine the DRAMA? Ben/Kylo is manipulated his whole life, led to believe he was doing the right thing and that Snoke is trying to make him stronger... except he's just, quoting Han Solo, using him for his power?

@Piper Maru

Yeah sadly it's pretty clear that Snoke's just using Kylo for his power, and from the way Kylo reacts when Han tells him this he knows it too, even if he doesn't want to accept it, because that would also mean another person that doesn't care about him...that's another thing him and Rey have in common, living in denial because the truth they'd have to face otherwise would hurt them too much, and it's so sad to see how they react when someone calls them out on this.

Btw, thought to share a meta regarding Kylo and Snoke' s relationship that perfectly sums up why I hate Snoke so much:
http://candlewisps.tumblr.com/post/142977609975/ive-had-the-material-for-this-post-on-the-back
Just thinking about the fact that he forbids anyone to say his real name...

I came across an interesting theory concerning the big bad in the sequel trilogy. I don’t agree with everything the guy says but I admit I would like this theory to come true in some form. It would expand the SW universe rather nicely. It make sense to have a bigger baddie since Rey and hopefully Kylo are confronting Snoke in the second installment. It would also put an end to the Renperor theories

Empire released a new picture of Snoke:



He looks creepy...

Andy Serkis talked a bit about Snoke:

"Snoke is bloody dark; way darker than Palpatine,” Andy Serkis tells us in the new issue of Empire. “He’s riddled with this osteoporosis so his body's twisted, like a corkscrew. He's incredibly damaged, so there's a bizarre vulnerability about him. Beneath that vulnerability, though, is this intense hatred."

"He’s definitely not a Sith, but he’s certainly at the darker end of the Force. Without giving too much away, that begins to unfold a little in this one."

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