Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

adamdrivershair wrote:So they must be done doing individual character profiles, then. It is so staggeringly obvious now that they're avoiding Kylo. I feel like the most we're going to hear about him will come either from the trailer or Adam himself. Killing me here!

@adamdrivershair

How do we know they're done? There's one more tomorrow after the Rey parentage article, isn't there?

Xylo Ren wrote:Bonus: Rian, Pablo, and Matt working at the factory damage control:

@Xylo Ren

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Expectation:



Reality:

They can just skip the articles and give us a trailer instead.

I'll also be super booked tomorrow.

I try to distance myself from magazine articles and just look at the pics. Emphasis on try. I did read the Leia/Poe. Big mistake. I finished the article resenting Poe Dameron. Not good. That he's a sort of surrogate son is not a shocker - and I always had my headcanon that Kylo knew and made him pay a little as mentioned by @ReyofLightSide - but the whole article is just grating me.

I am quite tired of the "good guys" promo. The supposed challenges they all meet does not compensate for the amount of sugarcoating they've been throwing at us these past weeks. I know we will not get anything substantial on Kylo and it's ok. But can we get something on Hux and how he's gonna be a super a**hole? Because really I can't anymore with the heroes' little drama. Some real darkness please so we can actually feel that there's a war, you know, like in the title of the saga. Right now I feel like I am going to watch some period drama.

As for DJ, could not care less. I was disappointed the minute I saw the VF pic and they said he was a slicer. It was like "oh, that type of guy" which is so not original. But who knows, they might prove me wrong and I'll love the character. Right now, it's just like "whatever'.

Not sure it's a good sign when you end up looking forward to the creatures rather than the characters as is my case right now. Thank Universe for the porgs. I hope they bite someone in the a** because right now TLJ sounds boring as hell. Or maybe I am just in a bad mood.

It's definitely a new batch of poop-fritters whipped up from the WTF Factory, but I know it's misdirection, mystery box, articles not always being accurate as we've seen before, semantics, etc. etc.

Not worried.

@Darth Dingbat
Head of LF Marketing:

adamdrivershair wrote:So they must be done doing individual character profiles, then. It is so staggeringly obvious now that they're avoiding Kylo. I feel like the most we're going to hear about him will come either from the trailer or Adam himself. Killing me here!

I know right? Why do everyone always has to pretend Adam/Kylo/Ben does´t exist? So frustrating.. I really don´t want the Rey Skywalkers having a ball tomorrow. Please let´s hope Reywalker is debunked 100%instead. I am sick of the parentage speculation!

SanghaRen wrote:I'll also be super booked tomorrow.

I try to distance myself from magazine articles and just look at the pics. Emphasis on try. I did read the Leia/Poe. Big mistake. I finished the article resenting Poe Dameron. Not good. That he's a sort of surrogate son is not a shocker - and I always had my headcanon that Kylo knew and made him pay a little as mentioned by @ReyofLightSide - but the whole article is just grating me.

I am quite tired of the "good guys" promo. The supposed challenges they all meet does not compensate for the amount of sugarcoating they've been throwing at us these past weeks. I know we will not get anything substantial on Kylo and it's ok. But can we get something on Hux and how he's gonna be a super a**hole? Because really I can't anymore with the heroes' little drama. Some real darkness please so we can actually feel that there's a war, you know, like in the title of the saga. Right now I feel like I am going to watch some period drama.

As for DJ, could not care less. I was disappointed the minute I saw the VF pic and they said he was a slicer. It was like "oh, that type of guy" which is so not original. But who knows, they might prove me wrong and I'll love the character. Right now, it's just like "whatever'.

Not sure it's a good sign when you end up looking forward to the creatures rather than the characters as is my case right now. Thank Universe for the porgs. I hope they bite someone in the a** because right now TLJ sounds boring as hell. Or maybe I am just in a bad mood.

@SanghaRen

That's been my problem, too! I remember when Rian first started talking about how the movie focuses on the three heroes (Rey, Finn and Poe) and how he really wanted to learn more about them and the most difficult thing they could go though, I was a little apprehensive about it but it was really early on so I tried not to put much stalk into it. Now though, it feels like the good guys are more fighting their inner demons and that the bad guys are just accessories than actual playing pieces. I know they don't want to say much about it because a lot of the drama comes from the villains but how many times can I hear about Luke and Rey having conflict before I rip my hair out?

Really, just reading about Rey and a grouchy old man having 'conflict' over and over is dull. We get it, Luke is a grump. Why not focus on why he's broken instead of magic healing funsies? Just tease it a bit more, those are infinitely more interesting than Luke's therapy logs. Down with the mystery box! Up with the 'no secrecy' circle!

Re: Leia, it never made sense to me that Han's murder wouldn't have affected her attitude to Kylo. I'm sure that she'd never stop loving him, but after her hopes got dashed so brutally she'd be likely to accept that her son can't be reached anymore. What other hopes are there outside of family? Leia doesn't have our insights about storytelling and significance of the hero/antagonist dynamic after all.

OMG the "quote" about Luke and Rey a few pages back! I nearly fell off my bed with laughter.

I wouldn't really worry about how maybe the idea of adopted non-blood family could make blood-family irrelevant in this trilogy, when *the* most dramatic moment of TFA was all about blood family. I think the idea is just to make the notion of family more inclusive.

My (late) reaction to the piece of information brought by Entertainment Weekly article, focusing on this quote:

"Luke made a huge mistake in thinking that his nephew was the chosen one, so he invested everything he had in Kylo, much like Obi-Wan did with my character"

FINALLY!!! Thanks Mark! I feel really really really glad...that after more than one and a half year the concept of the Chosen One finally shows up!  

No joke! The fact that Mark was allowed by the SW crew to bring  the topic of the Chosen One so openly  is really a nice surprise to me. I am aware that a lot of SW fans don't like the Prequels very much  partly because of the concept of the Chosen One and the midichlorians. Still as a fan who discovered that universe with the Prequels, I've always said that the most important thing to me is that the ST should ensure a  continuity of the plot from Episode I to Episode IX in order to tie everything together in a logical storytelling. This is also important to me because whether we like or not the idea,te concept of the Chosen One is ultimately what drives the whole of the franchise from Episode I to VI. Originally, I was kinda skeptical about a ST precisely because Georges Lucas made Anakin the Chosen One. So I naturally asked myself what the SW crew would do with this after Anakin died and kinda worried that they would just throw that concept away to make their own thing. So I am happy to know that TLJ will most likely bring that topic back on the table and handle this important question that wasn't solved with Anakin's death and the question now is how:

"[Luke] made a huge mistake in thinking that his nephew was the chosen one, so he invested everything he had in Kylo, much like Obi-Wan did with my character. And he is betrayed, with tragic consequences. Luke feels responsible for that. That’s the primary obstacle he has to rejoining the world and his place in the Jedi hierarchy, you know? It’s that guilt, that feeling that it’s his fault, that he didn’t detect the darkness in him until it was too late."

So Luke thought  Ben to be the Chosen One. This implies Luke - somewhen, somewhere, somewhow - learnt about the prophecy of the Chosen One - maybe he was even told by Yoda and/or Obi-Wan about it - and that he probably knew that his own father was considered by the Jedi Order as the Chosen One.

I agree that  the way Mark describes the situation can lead to think that he made a mistake about the identity of the Chosen One by identifying Ben as the Chosen One. After all, it sounds kinda presumptuous from Luke to assume that his own nephew was meant to be the Chosen One as if that status shall naturally run in the family. Still, I think that Mark's quote raises important questions since his own father was the Chosen One and was supposed to bring balance to the Force:
1) Why would the galaxy need another Chosen One after Anakin ?
2) What brought Luke to think that Ben was the Chosen One after his grandfather was ?
3) What decisions did Luke take to make Ben to fulfill his destiny and bring balance to the Force ?
==> And here comes the most important question for me: did Luke make a huge mistake in identifying the wrong Chosen One or did he make a huge mistake in the way he handled it?

Although Mark's quote seems to confirm that Luke identified the wrong person, my feeling is that the heart of the problem is actually in the way he handled it:

"[Luke] made a huge mistake in thinking that his nephew was the chosen one, so he invested everything he had in Kylo, much like Obi-Wan did with my character. And he is betrayed, with tragic consequences. Luke feels responsible for that. That’s the primary obstacle he has to rejoining the world and his place in the Jedi hierarchy, you know? It’s that guilt, that feeling that it’s his fault, that he didn’t detect the darkness in him until it was too late."

So if we follow Mark's statement, Luke acted with Ben very much like Obi-Wan did with him and most probably like Obi-Wan  with Anakin. Luke feels guilty because he didn't detect the darkness within Ben. Okay, okay Luke...

...is the Chosen One supposed not to have any darkness within and be immune to the dark side although his/her role is to bring balance to the Force?

Mark's statement is really interesting because it suggests that Luke repeated with Ben exactly the same mistake that the Jedi Order did with Anakin. Let's remember that Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan all feared that little Anakin could become dangerous because he obviously already had darkness within long before he ultimately turned to the DS. My feeling is that this is where the Jedi were wrong: they thought that the Chosen One should master the light side and destroy the dark side. However, we know that it was a huge mistake because let's keep in mind this very important moment of the Clone Wars where Anakin is definitely  as the Chosen One confirmed by the test of the Ones:
"And now you know who you truly are: only the Chosen One could handle both my children" - the Son as the representative as of the Dark Side and the Daughter as the representative of the Light Side"[/i]

So this implies that the Chosen One ain't meant to be a pure representative of the Dark Side or a pure representative of the Light Side. So my feeling is that Luke - very much like the previous Jedi Order - became some fanatical of the Light Side and tried to force Ben to become immune to the darkness, which could maybe explain why Kylo now wants to become immune to the light in return. And the fact is that Kylo is constantly presented as struggling with the light and the darkness within him, which is maybe the sense behind the line : "I feel torn apart...I want to be free of this pain!". He couldn't extinguish the darkness within under Luke's teaching and we know that he couldn't extinguish the light within under Snoke's teaching by killing his father. I may be wrong about the intentions of the screenwriters but I believe in logical continuity of the story. The more information we get, the more it seems that the SW crew intends to tie the entire franchise together by bringing back the original concept of the Chosen One and solving age-old mysteries.


Let's keep in mind that the story orginally begins and ends with Anakin the Chosen One who was set up as Space Jesus, so who  he was supposed to fulfill the role of a messie. But did Anakin really fulfill that role? Honestly, I understand why people are fed up with the Skywalker s*** because if Anakin fulfilled this role, it was in a pitiful way:
1) He is responsible for the destruction of Jedi Order (including the assassination of children)
2) He is responsible for the death of milion - if not billion - of people around the galaxy
3) He redeemed himself by killing the Emperor during 30 seconds of clarity, which Snoke himself described as a "momentary lapse"
4) He died redeemed but with no one else than Luke to witness his return
5) He did nothing very spectacular at the end
Without the Clone Wars that sets Anakin as a war hero, I honestly don't get what makes him that extraordinary, what makes him that particular. The PT shows shows that he was supposed to fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One, the OT tells us what he became instead and Bloodline reveals us how the galaxy sees his legacy once his identity is publicly revealed. So my feeling is that the biggest stake of the entire SW franchise is all about the bloody legacy of the Chosen One: what he was supposed to be; what he actually became; what for he'll be remembered.

So my feeling about it is that this is no coincidence that the SW crew decided to focus on Anakin/Vader's bloody legacy in both Bloodline and TFA. It is possible that Anakin's prophecy was one prophecy among many others and that Luke refers to another prophecy about another Chosen One. However, I tend to believe in the continuity of the storyline and that Luke refers to the same prophecy:  even if Qui-Gon made the assumption that Anakin might have been created by the Force, his origins remain quite mysterious; his role as the role of the Chosen One remaines quite undefined until now; his destiny is somewhat unfinished since the balance he brought didn't last long; his whole life gives the impression of a complete waste for nothing. I might add: all that for that:?:  So the question is: will the SW crew leave things like that and go on with another storyline or will they try to solve that question and sort of set right what went wrong:?:

Maybe I am going in the wrong direction but I tend to believe that the ST will handle the question of the Skywalker bloody legacy, the mystery behind the concept of the Chosen One and the mystery behind the ways of the Force. We know that Anakin was set as Space Jesus born from a virgin mother and supposedly created by the Force. Maybe I am wrong  but I don't think it is impossible that Anakin did resurrect after his death like Jesus did because after all he made no appearance in TFA:
1) Although he is the original owner of the lightsaber, he neither appear during the vision like Luke nor talk like Yoda, Obi-Wan and Palpatine
2) Although his grandson is following his footsteps, he doesn't shows up once to talk to him, even when Kylo asks for guidance
Maybe that Force Ghost Anakin hides because he is tired of this mess and feels guilty for the consequences of his actions but he is definitely the best person who could handle the situation. And yet he is strangely absent although his shadow is constantly present.  

So maybe that the similarities - appearence, personality, Force skills - between Anakin and Ben (who looks actually closer to the original concept art for Anakin in Episode III)   ain't meant to convey filiation but reincarnation. If Anakin got reincarnated, I assume that it happened shortly after his death, that's why I've always found this moment of Aftermath kindasuspicious:

The only things in this room are Leia and a potted plant. The plant is a sapling of the sanctuary trees of Endor, though some call it a serpent’s puzzle, named so after the way the dark branches weave together in a kind of organic knotwork.

https://thestarwarspost.tumblr.com/post/146289179592/aftermath-life-debt-excerpt-leia-using-the

Maybe there is overanalysis there - so I remain cautious - still I can't help but seeing the similirities with E.T. the Extraterrestrial there given the many similarities in TFA. E.T. was confirmed to be a plant, was able to reincarnate and his medical state was closely related to a potted flower. I don't know how it is possible but if Anakin was some Space Jesus - and why not some Space E.T. - I don't think it is impossible that he was able to cheat death somehow. Episode III already showed that he was able to maintain himself alive despite very serious injuries - I even tend to think that he unwillingly  drained Padme's energy to keep himself alive - and I think how ironic it would be that he actually had intrinsically some healing power. As for Ben, he was set as some Space E.T. in TFA and Aftermath revealed that Leia feels the presence of her baby for the first time as she tries to feel the potted flower. So it sounds strange to think that Anakin would have reincarnated in his own daughter but let's keep in mind this important quote from the TFA novel:

“It is far more than that. It is where you are from. What you are made of. The dark side - and the light. The finest sculptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor materials. He must have something pure, something strong, something unbreakable, with which to work. I have - you.

When I read the way Snoke emphasizes where Ben/Kylo is from, I don't get the feeling that he is talking about family there. I rather get the feeling that Kylo's origins are far more than that and are indeed related to something much bigger. Not to mention the way Snoke emphasizes that Ben is a pure material made of both the dark side and the light - as if he was some kind of Superman - which is what the Chosen One is supposed to be made of. Plus despite his failures, he shows  an  incredible resilience to serious injuries and never-seen Force abilities that make it hard not to see him as some semi-god. And let's not forget the symbolism around Ben that set some connection to the Christ (another continuity with grandfather) with the idea of the rebirth of the Sun or even this image:
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So I don't think that there was any mistake about the identity of the Chosen One even if it is also a question of a certain point of view: it doesn't mean that Ben is supposed to be the only Chosen One. The problem with the way Mark describes it is that it leads to think that Luke identified the wrong the Chosen One, which naturally lead to the kind of interpretation below that I often read in articles or in various comments :
The question now becomes who is the Chosen One in lieu of Kylo? The obvious candidate would be Rey, given how she’s set up as the sequel trilogy’s main hero


https://moviepilot.com/p/luke-skywalker-believed-kylo-ren-was-the-chosen-one-star-wars/4344417
Kylo is already considered by many as a failure, a character that ain't worth to bear the Skywalker legacy, a legacy that is itself considered by many as a failure in regard to the actions of the Skywalker males. Although I find it neither surprising nor unlogical to question the role of the Skywalker family in the franchise, I must admit that I am always a little annoyed to read some comments basically saying that Rey shall be the Chosen One "in lieu of Kylo" because we're fed up with the whole Skywalker s*** (or because she must be Luke's daughter).

I am aware that I tend to repeat what I wrote in previous post but I dare hope that the SW crew didn't chose the road to tell us that Rey is actually the real Chosen One in lieu of the Skywalker males (Anakin, Luke, Ben) who were supposed to fulfill that role at some point but all failed. I insist that I have nothing against Rey as a character but the most important to me is the sake of the storytelling. So my arguments against Rey being the Chosen One in lieu of Anakin or Kylo are the same as in previous posts, because it would mean :
1) That Qui-Gon screw up by identifying the wrong Chosen One (and that would make the things even funnier if it appears that the Chosen One was meant to be a Kenobi...knowing that Qui-Gon was training a Kenobi and actually brought mess to the galaxy by taking Anakin out of the desert)
2) That the Ones screw up their test by identifying the wrong Chosen One
3) That Luke screw up by identifying the wrong Chosen One
4) That Snoke - a guy who is aware of the past to a great level according to Abdy Serkis - screw up by spending 30 years working with the wrong material to fulfill his evil plans
5) That a bad*** girl - whatever her origins are - suddenly shows up out of nowhere in the three last episodes of the franchise to be set as the real Chosen One
6) That 40 years were needed to come to the conclusion that the Skywalker legacy is actually not that important for the sake of the galaxy because they're only good at bringing mess
All that for this result


So the question that comes back again and again is: who is Rey  Where does she come from  What is her role in this mess  I haven't thought enough on her character to be sure about her origins but I definitely find the arguments in favor of ReyKenobi very convincing. So for me, there are two options in regard to her role in the entire franchise :
1) Whatever her origins are, she is meant to fulfill the same kind of role than Belle from BATB and Hae Soo from SHR in a more bad*** way so with a more action woman role. Although the ST can't have got inspired by SHR, I still think that it offers a good basis for what we could expect in term of storyline. Interestingly, the major stake of SHR is all about Prince  So's destiny as future King Gwangjong. The heroine knows from her historical knowledge what happened in the past and how King Gwangjong is remembered in the present. And the question ain't to replace Prince So with another Prince who would fit better the role of a wise king but to prevent history from repeating by changing King Gwangjong's destiny :

Hae Soo: "Now, you will no longer remembered in history as a bloody monarch. I will help you"

IMO, the same applies more or less to the Skywalker bloody legacy: Anakin/Darth Vader is remembered as responsible for the death of millions - billions- of people because his pitiful redemption was witnessed only by his own son; Ben/Kylo has no other way to clear this bloody legacy than getting a public redemption by saving the galaxy in the most spectacular way. If Rey is meant to be some kind of Hae Soo, she is the one who will  be set as the heroine for bringing the pieces alltogether. Problem of this theory: some people will be unhappy because they would like Rey to be a strong female character, a bad*** heroine, a "Chosen One" and the ultimate savior of the galaxy altogether.
2) Let's keep in mind that Colin stated that Rey is important for the entire galaxy, which suggests that she has maybe mysterious origins closely related to the Force itself. If this is the case, my feeling is that this is not the consequence of another prophecy but that maybe that the content of the prophecy was incomplete a little like the prophecy in Harry Potter was. Harry was set as the Chosen One but it appears that Neil Longbottom was the wild card. And when you think about it, it appears that there are two Chosen Ones from a certain point of view. Harry is considered as the Chosen One but Neil is the one who ultimately destroy the last Horcrux by killing the snake. Since Kylo and Rey were set as two halves of the same whole, maybe that the balance couldn't be brought until the two disparate pieces come together. So the franchise introduced Anakin as the Chosen One and supposedly ensured the continuity with Ben as Space Jesus. Rey would represent the female counterpart of Space Jesus with the idea that you actually need two representatives - male and female - made of the dark side and the light side to bring ultimately balance to the Force. Problem of this theory: the screenwriter will have to explain where the hell this female counterpart of Space Jesus was the entire time between Episode I and Episode VI as everything messed up.

Saracene wrote:Re: Leia, it never made sense to me that Han's murder wouldn't have affected her attitude to Kylo. I'm sure that she'd never stop loving him, but after her hopes got dashed so brutally she'd be likely to accept that her son can't be reached anymore. What other hopes are there outside of family? Leia doesn't have our insights about storytelling and significance of the hero/antagonist dynamic after all.

OMG the "quote" about Luke and Rey a few pages back! I nearly fell off my bed with laughter.

I wouldn't really worry about how maybe the idea of adopted non-blood family could make blood-family irrelevant in this trilogy, when *the* most dramatic moment of TFA was all about blood family. I think the idea is just to make the notion of family more inclusive.

@Saracene

I agree with your take on this.  I don't think Leia writing off Ben (for now) after what he's done is out of the question. Leia and Luke have stark differences with how they feel about their biological father.  In Bloodlines, Leia herself said she found it difficult to find the forgiveness Luke had for Vader/Anakin.  I'm still not comfortable with Poe being her surrogate son, but it does not contradict Bloodlines where Han and Leia were "adopting" kids left and right while their own real son was off somewhere...

As for @Darth Dingbat 's quote, I shared this with @WillowMeena with a similar result to mine.  She fell for it too!!!

It just goes to show she should be writing these articles instead of the authors these publications chose.  At least she's believable, even when writing about the unbelievable (which I can attest to).

Re: Kylo, it's pretty clear that they're unwilling to talk about what he does in the film or where his emotional state is at. Take these out and there's really nothing else to talk about, other than stuff like the new scar, costume and ship.

Saracene wrote:Re: Kylo, it's pretty clear that they're unwilling to talk about what he does in the film or where his emotional state is at. Take these out and there's really nothing else to talk about, other than stuff like the new scar, costume and ship.

@Saracene

That's my cautiously optimistic take on it. It seems like they think nearly everything about him would be a spoiler...hence, all we get are scar, costume, ship, and the fact that he's going to get chewed out by Snoke for his failure on SKB.

bossbaby wrote:

adamdrivershair wrote:So they must be done doing individual character profiles, then. It is so staggeringly obvious now that they're avoiding Kylo. I feel like the most we're going to hear about him will come either from the trailer or Adam himself. Killing me here!

@adamdrivershair

How do we know they're done? There's one more tomorrow after the Rey parentage article, isn't there?

@bossbaby

I hope I'm wrong! As a magazine writer I just see it as them switching from a series of 'profiles' to more general topics like Rey's parentage to round everything off. But who knows! They need to end with a bang and Kylo would do it.

We don't need a Kylo article, he's just getting eviler in Star Wars: The Last Jedi goes to Therapy.(tm)

It's not even about Kylo being a spoiler per se, but his actions being fundamental in the story. We all fight on the internet over Kylo because his morality is what is going to shape the story in a significant way. It already did in TFA.

Think about it: if Kylo is the villain, the story is going down one route. If he is not, we're going down another path. His behavior and his choices are going to impact deeply every single character, and that's why they can't really talk about him in depth.

Helix wrote:We don't need a Kylo article, he's just getting eviler in Star Wars: The Last Jedi goes to Therapy.(tm)

@Helix Yep he's rotten to the core and so we will watch him decay into what everyone longs for: a cold one-dimensional super powerful villain, like those boring dudes in the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie I can barely remember.

adamdrivershair wrote:

bossbaby wrote:

adamdrivershair wrote:So they must be done doing individual character profiles, then. It is so staggeringly obvious now that they're avoiding Kylo. I feel like the most we're going to hear about him will come either from the trailer or Adam himself. Killing me here!

@adamdrivershair

How do we know they're done? There's one more tomorrow after the Rey parentage article, isn't there?

@bossbaby

I hope I'm wrong! As a magazine writer I just see it as them switching from a series of 'profiles' to more general topics like Rey's parentage to round everything off. But who knows! They need to end with a bang and Kylo would do it.

@adamdrivershair

Even if they do a Kylo article it will probably just be his new costume, the scar and his new Silencer ship. Plus oh yes, his need to prove himself to Snoke. Sigh..

Poe is Leias son!!!! Surrogate son!? Wtf

Does this effect Reylo in any way? Sorry for double post

Little_Boots wrote:Poe is Leias son!!!! Surrogate son!? Wtf

@Little_Boots

Kylo: Leia never told you what happened to your brother.
Poe: She told me enough! She told me you killed him.
Kylo: No. I am your brother.
Poe: No... that's not true... that's impossible!!

WhatGirl wrote:

Little_Boots wrote:Poe is Leias son!!!! Surrogate son!? Wtf

@Little_Boots

Kylo: Leia never told you what happened to your brother.
Poe: She told me enough! She told me you killed him.
Kylo: No. I am your brother.
Poe: No... that's not true... that's impossible!!

@WhatGirl

Jenny McCarthy did ask Oscar if Poe and Kylo were brothers in an interview

Spoiler:

Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Jenny McCarthy did ask Oscar if Poe and Kylo were brothers in an interview

Spoiler:

@Cowgirlsamurai

My favorite part about this post is that you put it in the spoiler tags, as if this would be a shock to people...

IoJovi wrote:

Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Jenny McCarthy did ask Oscar if Poe and Kylo were brothers in an interview

Spoiler:

@Cowgirlsamurai

My favorite part about this post is that you put it in the spoiler tags, as if this would be a shock to people...

@IoJovi

What?? You're telling me the two actors who couldn't look more different from each other aren't related? I'm shocked.