The Last Jedi Trailer(s): NO SPOILERS

Anakin Skywalker wrote:guys have you seen fb messenger has added SW filter, you can be Kylo
as I saw there is only Kylo, which is interesting... so whos the most popular character ? ))))

rey09 wrote:This too- even after she slashes his face, HE IS STILL AWESTRUCK. 
Should be thinking: I hate her!!
Really thinking: Our destinies are intertwined!! 



The dude has always been so into her raw power, and she's just warming up!!!

Atenais wrote:

Amazing how people try to deny it. Seems like I was watching another movie. But I was remember something that happened when I watched TFA with friends. A friend of mine was kind disappointed when he took off his mask, I was just remembering her words, she said, "he is... too pretty". Yes, not handsome, but pretty. Like, the villain shouldn't be pretty like that.

LadyHa wrote:Somehow, Kylo just confuses the hell out of a lot of people.  Too pretty, yet not good looking enough, not enough of a bad guy, yet the most evil person ever for the Unforgiveable Act of Han.

Atenais wrote:Anyway, I want to ask if people already talked about how the title is being translated, in my country "the last Jedi" is in plural form.

LadyHa wrote:

Atenais wrote:

Amazing how people try to deny it. Seems like I was watching another movie. But I was remember something that happened when I watched TFA with friends. A friend of mine was kind disappointed when he took off his mask, I was just remembering her words, she said, "he is... too pretty". Yes, not handsome, but pretty. Like, the villain shouldn't be pretty like that.

@Atenais

Somehow, Kylo just confuses the hell out of a lot of people.  Too pretty, yet not good looking enough, not enough of a bad guy, yet the most evil person ever for the Unforgiveable Act of Han. It's gratifying (yet also slightly annoying) that it took the relatively heavy-handedness of this trailer for many viewers to finally consider the Reylo Connection (cue a singalong with the Muppets: "Someday they'll see it; the Reylo Connection, the Shippers, the Dreamers, and Me" [sorry,] ).  But, to me, the trailer is not actually more direct than bridal-carry, interrogation innuendo, and finding the Force together.

I've noticed the moment when Snoke says "When I found you", the subtitle uses the feminine "you" which is "妳" as oppose to the gender neutral "you" which is "你". The former is the combination the word "女", which means female and "尔" which means you; while the latter is gender neutral that can be used to indicates female and male, but mainly used for male.

This means that when Snoke says "When I found you", Snoke is talking to a female character, which in my opinion is most likely Rey at this point.

After that, near the end of the trailer, when Snoke says "Fulfill your destiny", the "you" the subtitle wrote is now "你", which means that Snoke talking to a male character now. So at this point, Snoke is not probably referring to Kylo or other male characters. Lastly, when Luke says "This is not going to go the way you think" , the "you" again is written "你", which means the Luke is talking to a male character. At this point, Luke is probably not talking to Rey, but someone else.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:I found this on reddit...the Taiwanese subtitles for the trailer might indicate the gender of who Snoke and Luke are speaking to in some cases:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/77qach/taiwanese_trailer_subtitles_may_indicate_who_luke/

I've noticed the moment when Snoke says "When I found you", the subtitle uses the feminine "you" which is "妳" as oppose to the gender neutral "you" which is "你". The former is the combination the word "女", which means female and "尔" which means you; while the latter is gender neutral that can be used to indicates female and male, but mainly used for male.

This means that when Snoke says "When I found you", Snoke is talking to a female character, which in my opinion is most likely Rey at this point.

After that, near the end of the trailer, when Snoke says "Fulfill your destiny", the "you" the subtitle wrote is now "你", which means that Snoke talking to a male character now. So at this point, Snoke is not probably referring to Kylo or other male characters. Lastly, when Luke says "This is not going to go the way you think" , the "you" again is written "你", which means the Luke is talking to a male character. At this point, Luke is probably not talking to Rey, but someone else.

Atenais wrote:I really love how he looks at her like amazed. We're so lucky that they chose a great actor as Adam. A regular or mediocre actor could make this character too cheese or ridiculous.



Anyway, I just want to tell that some signatures here should be forbidden. I can't stop to look at them.

Mana wrote:I don't know how much you can trust the foreign language translations or subtitles at this point. We were mislead to believe that 'Jedi' in 'The Last Jedi' was plural, because that was how the translated versions interpreted it, when in fact it was supposed to be singular.

vaderito wrote:Foreign language translations are dead end. Nothing to see there. They are not clues or anything.

Kylo Men wrote:I saw something on another site that said that Kylo's "Kill the past" lines are directed to a female, based on the gendering of the words in another language.  

We know what that means, don't we?

Krafty wrote:

Kylo Men wrote:I saw something on another site that said that Kylo's "Kill the past" lines are directed to a female, based on the gendering of the words in another language.  

We know what that means, don't we?

@Kylo Men

While I agree it sounds like he'd be talking to Rey (possibly in the hut?) based on the pitch and whispery slow cadence he uses when addressing her... I don't think we can put a whole lot of stock into translated versions just yet. It's possible the translations are simply following the visual cues of the trailer. For example, when Snoke is talking at the beginning about the whole "when I found you..." and then it cuts to Rey, its very misleading and the translations could just be following along with what we see on screen. But I don't know, just after the whole Jedi single or Jedi plural debacle, I'm sitting tight until we actually get the film its self. But I want to believe!

Krafty wrote:

Kylo Men wrote:I saw something on another site that said that Kylo's "Kill the past" lines are directed to a female, based on the gendering of the words in another language.  

We know what that means, don't we?

@Kylo Men

While I agree it sounds like he'd be talking to Rey (possibly in the hut?) based on the pitch and whispery slow cadence he uses when addressing her... I don't think we can put a whole lot of stock into translated versions just yet. It's possible the translations are simply following the visual cues of the trailer. For example, when Snoke is talking at the beginning about the whole "when I found you..." and then it cuts to Rey, its very misleading and the translations could just be following along with what we see on screen. But I don't know, just after the whole Jedi single or Jedi plural debacle, I'm sitting tight until we actually get the film its self. But I want to believe!

Mana wrote:I don't know how much you can trust the foreign language translations or subtitles at this point. We were mislead to believe that 'Jedi' in 'The Last Jedi' was plural, because that was how the translated versions interpreted it, when in fact it was supposed to be singular.

SkyStar wrote:

Mana wrote:I don't know how much you can trust the foreign language translations or subtitles at this point. We were mislead to believe that 'Jedi' in 'The Last Jedi' was plural, because that was how the translated versions interpreted it, when in fact it was supposed to be singular.

@Mana

Right. In the Russian trailer Luke doesn't even say - "this is not going to go the way you think", but "understand, the consequences will be unchangeable."

SkyStar wrote:

Mana wrote:I don't know how much you can trust the foreign language translations or subtitles at this point. We were mislead to believe that 'Jedi' in 'The Last Jedi' was plural, because that was how the translated versions interpreted it, when in fact it was supposed to be singular.

@Mana

Right. In the Russian trailer Luke doesn't even say - "this is not going to go the way you think", but "understand, the consequences will be unchangeable."

MrsWindu wrote:

SkyStar wrote:

Mana wrote:I don't know how much you can trust the foreign language translations or subtitles at this point. We were mislead to believe that 'Jedi' in 'The Last Jedi' was plural, because that was how the translated versions interpreted it, when in fact it was supposed to be singular.

@Mana

Right. In the Russian trailer Luke doesn't even say - "this is not going to go the way you think", but "understand, the consequences will be unchangeable."

@SkyStar
That’s a most intriguing translation - what consequences would he be referring to?

Oscar Isaac wrote:One of my favorite things that would happen from time to time on set would be when Carrie would sing old songs,” he says. “Whenever that would happen I would offer her my hand and we would waltz around the set – on a starship, in a Rebel base, on an alien planet, and she would sing and we would dance. So surreal and beautiful to think about now. For all of her delicious, wicked humor and fiery energy she also had such sweet grace. I miss her dearly.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

SkyStar wrote:

Mana wrote:I don't know how much you can trust the foreign language translations or subtitles at this point. We were mislead to believe that 'Jedi' in 'The Last Jedi' was plural, because that was how the translated versions interpreted it, when in fact it was supposed to be singular.

@Mana

Right. In the Russian trailer Luke doesn't even say - "this is not going to go the way you think", but "understand, the consequences will be unchangeable."

@SkyStar

Interesting...  As that could mean something quite different than the English line.

As a side note, I completely geek out over translation/localization stuff. Much of what I write for my job gets translated into other languages, so I have to write in English in a way to make things easier for translation, which means keeping a lot of additional things in mind on top of getting your point across and correct grammar.

MrsWindu wrote:

SkyStar wrote:

Mana wrote:I don't know how much you can trust the foreign language translations or subtitles at this point. We were mislead to believe that 'Jedi' in 'The Last Jedi' was plural, because that was how the translated versions interpreted it, when in fact it was supposed to be singular.

@Mana

Right. In the Russian trailer Luke doesn't even say - "this is not going to go the way you think", but "understand, the consequences will be unchangeable."

@SkyStar
That’s a most intriguing translation - what consequences would he be referring to?  

@MrsWindu

Perhaps it ties into whatever it was that Rey and Kylo were talking about that Luke "doesn't like and tries to stop them" right before the hut explodes? Maybe they were discussing something involving an artifact or trying to open a holocron together or something?