Sequel Trilogy: Box Office and Awards Discussion

thescavenger wrote:

Tex wrote:Man they should have nominated the film for best picture or Adam for supporting actor, even if they wouldn't have won. I think from a ratings standpoint it would have been some great buzz. As is they have a hard enough time getting people to tune in for these award shows. I think nominating something as mainstream as a Star Wars film in one of the big categories would have been great.

I would have knocked off The Post from the Best Film category. It's really riding on the fact the Meryl Streep and Tom Hanks are in the movie. And I would have put Adam up in the place of Richard Jenkins for The Shape of Water. I enjoyed that film thoroughly, but Adam does so much more in his role as Kylo. Again, I know it's a seniority thing, but the character of Kylo Ren/Ben has so much more meat and range. Maybe if Adam is lucky he'll get nominated for Episode IX?

@Tex 

Personally, I have no doubt that Adam Driver will win an Oscar one day, even if it isn't for Star Wars.

rawpowah wrote:From what I remember Episode IX is set to premiere on December 20th 2019. That is way too late in the awards season, as most of the award shows will have already announced their nominations. TLJ premiered way too late (iirc after nominations for the Critics Choice and the Golden Globes were announced). It's very difficult and very rare to get nominated for an acting Oscar without having been nominated for any of the precursor awards, particularly the Golden Globes and the SAGs. Not even Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart got a nomination for Logan, and they've been playing those roles for some time and the movie premiered much earlier in the year than SW. "The Dark Knight", for which Heath Ledger won his posthumous Oscar, premiered in the summer. Another blockbuster, the LOTR trilogy, only managed one acting nomination for the first movie, in spite of all their accolades (and that was for Ian McKellen, a senior actor).

On top of that, Disney would have to mount a campaign for Adam, which they haven't done at all (and I doubt will do for IX, since it's premiering so late). Disney seems to care more about the nominations in the technical categories than the acting ones. If anything, what SW will do for Adam is put him in a position where he will be offered interesting roles in other movies that have more of a shot at resonating with the Academy.

nickandnora wrote:

In addition, is there any way that in the next film Daisy and Adam will not BOTH be considered co-leads in terms of billing? If Adam was billed as lead, he'd have even less of a chance than he does now as supporting (and that chance is already pretty close to zero, sadly). Or do we think Daisy will simply be the lead, and everyone else supporting (taking a cue from the Hunger Games series maybe)?

Even if Daisy being the only lead was the original plan, Carrie Fisher's death may have put a bit of a wrench in that; the writers are certainly going to have to redistribute some of the focus as a result of her absence, and given Reylo's reception in this past film, I can't see how it's not going to be the main attraction.

rawpowah wrote:From what I remember Episode IX is set to premiere on December 20th 2019. That is way too late in the awards season, as most of the award shows will have already announced their nominations. TLJ premiered way too late (iirc after nominations for the Critics Choice and the Golden Globes were announced). It's very difficult and very rare to get nominated for an acting Oscar without having been nominated for any of the precursor awards, particularly the Golden Globes and the SAGs. Not even Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart got a nomination for Logan, and they've been playing those roles for some time and the movie premiered much earlier in the year than SW. "The Dark Knight", for which Heath Ledger won his posthumous Oscar, premiered in the summer. Another blockbuster, the LOTR trilogy, only managed one acting nomination for the first movie, in spite of all their accolades (and that was for Ian McKellen, a senior actor).

On top of that, Disney would have to mount a campaign for Adam, which they haven't done at all (and I doubt will do for IX, since it's premiering so late). Disney seems to care more about the nominations in the technical categories than the acting ones. If anything, what SW will do for Adam is put him in a position where he will be offered interesting roles in other movies that have more of a shot at resonating with the Academy.

rawpowah wrote:

nickandnora wrote:

In addition, is there any way that in the next film Daisy and Adam will not BOTH be considered co-leads in terms of billing? If Adam was billed as lead, he'd have even less of a chance than he does now as supporting (and that chance is already pretty close to zero, sadly). Or do we think Daisy will simply be the lead, and everyone else supporting (taking a cue from the Hunger Games series maybe)?

Even if Daisy being the only lead was the original plan, Carrie Fisher's death may have put a bit of a wrench in that; the writers are certainly going to have to redistribute some of the focus as a result of her absence, and given Reylo's reception in this past film, I can't see how it's not going to be the main attraction.

@nickandnora

It could go both ways. We don't know what JJ will do with Luke in IX, so Disney might submit Mark for lead again. Or, like you said, they will pull a Hunger Games and only have one lead. It's also not unheard of for actors who fit the lead category to be put in supporting so they'll have a bigger chance to get nominated like Jake Gyllenhaal, Rooney Mara, and Alicia Vikander did.

Tbh I'll take Adam getting more screentime than he did in TLJ over a minimal chance to get a nomination for a supporting role. He'll be amazing in the role no matter what. Now that the characters aren't as split up as they were in TLJ, and Snoke and Luke are no longer center stage, hopefully Kylo will get even more focus.

cherrylipstick wrote:I'm not surprised about the nominations, Star Wars is usually considered in more technical categories. But at the same time I'm a little sad for Adam because he did a great job.
Anyway I'm sure that he will win something in the future, he's too good!

SoloSideCousin wrote:

rawpowah wrote:

nickandnora wrote:

In addition, is there any way that in the next film Daisy and Adam will not BOTH be considered co-leads in terms of billing? If Adam was billed as lead, he'd have even less of a chance than he does now as supporting (and that chance is already pretty close to zero, sadly). Or do we think Daisy will simply be the lead, and everyone else supporting (taking a cue from the Hunger Games series maybe)?

Even if Daisy being the only lead was the original plan, Carrie Fisher's death may have put a bit of a wrench in that; the writers are certainly going to have to redistribute some of the focus as a result of her absence, and given Reylo's reception in this past film, I can't see how it's not going to be the main attraction.

@nickandnora

It could go both ways. We don't know what JJ will do with Luke in IX, so Disney might submit Mark for lead again. Or, like you said, they will pull a Hunger Games and only have one lead. It's also not unheard of for actors who fit the lead category to be put in supporting so they'll have a bigger chance to get nominated like Jake Gyllenhaal, Rooney Mara, and Alicia Vikander did.

Tbh I'll take Adam getting more screentime than he did in TLJ over a minimal chance to get a nomination for a supporting role. He'll be amazing in the role no matter what. Now that the characters aren't as split up as they were in TLJ, and Snoke and Luke are no longer center stage, hopefully Kylo will get even more focus.

@rawpowah

I actually think that they will have to submit Adam as Lead Actor in IX. Adam will get top billing, and frankly, Rey has never been as dominant as Katniss was in HG. There was never any question of Peeta Gale or President Snow being Katniss' equal. You cannot say the same about Kylo Ren. I mean Adam should have been in Lead Actor with Mark this year, so forget about IX.

Maria Antonietta wrote:GIVE ADAM ALL THE OSCARS

Darth Rowan wrote:

Maria Antonietta wrote:GIVE ADAM ALL THE OSCARS

@Maria Antonietta




But seriously, I agree that Adam will eventually win an Oscar. He's one of the most talented actors of his generation, imo. <3

SoloSideCousin wrote:

Darth Rowan wrote:

Maria Antonietta wrote:GIVE ADAM ALL THE OSCARS

@Maria Antonietta




But seriously, I agree that Adam will eventually win an Oscar. He's one of the most talented actors of his generation, imo. <3

@Darth Rowan

Did someone famous write that tweet or is it just an example of exaggerated, but still amazing wisdom from a regular fan like us? Because seriously,  Adam has had some incredible weight put on his shoulders over these last two movies and he exceeded every expectation both times when he had the most tricky character to play. I mean a slight pivot one way or another and the whole thing would have fallen apart.

vaderito wrote:Awards are the worst thing that can happen to anyone. You win the award you automatically become overrated. There are more actors with long careers who didn't win anything than actors who won.

I remember reading the interview with Leo and he said the best advice we received about awards was when he was nominated for Gilbert Grape and was told not to try to win. cause he was so young and winning over a veteran would not be to his advantage. So he didn't campaign. Many times losing is actually winning in the long run and winning is losing. Cause wins means that you step on someone's toes.

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Armadeus wrote:

vaderito wrote:Awards are the worst thing that can happen to anyone. You win the award you automatically become overrated. There are more actors with long careers who didn't win anything than actors who won.

I remember reading the interview with Leo and he said the best advice we received about awards was when he was nominated for Gilbert Grape and was told not to try to win. cause he was so young and winning over a veteran would not be to his advantage. So he didn't campaign. Many times losing is actually winning in the long run and winning is losing. Cause wins means that you step on someone's toes.

@vaderito

UNPOPULAR OPINION INCOMING

'Award ceremonies' are outdated, fatuous things anyway. Ten years from now, no one's going to remember or care who won anything this year or last year or the year before that. I mean, someone like Adam Driver doesn't need to be given a little naked golden man for us to know he's a good actor.

As someone (can't remember who) once said, these awards are just Hollywood's way of patting itself on the back for making 50 bajillion dollars yet another year in a row. The whole thing just irks me.

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Again, just my opinion.

Armadeus wrote:

vaderito wrote:Awards are the worst thing that can happen to anyone. You win the award you automatically become overrated. There are more actors with long careers who didn't win anything than actors who won.

I remember reading the interview with Leo and he said the best advice we received about awards was when he was nominated for Gilbert Grape and was told not to try to win. cause he was so young and winning over a veteran would not be to his advantage. So he didn't campaign. Many times losing is actually winning in the long run and winning is losing. Cause wins means that you step on someone's toes.

@vaderito

UNPOPULAR OPINION INCOMING

'Award ceremonies' are outdated, fatuous things anyway. Ten years from now, no one's going to remember or care who won anything this year or last year or the year before that. I mean, someone like Adam Driver doesn't need to be given a little naked golden man for us to know he's a good actor.

As someone (can't remember who) once said, these awards are just Hollywood's way of patting itself on the back for making 50 bajillion dollars yet another year in a row. The whole thing just irks me.

Rant about animated films hidden:

Again, just my opinion.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

Armadeus wrote:

vaderito wrote:Awards are the worst thing that can happen to anyone. You win the award you automatically become overrated. There are more actors with long careers who didn't win anything than actors who won.

I remember reading the interview with Leo and he said the best advice we received about awards was when he was nominated for Gilbert Grape and was told not to try to win. cause he was so young and winning over a veteran would not be to his advantage. So he didn't campaign. Many times losing is actually winning in the long run and winning is losing. Cause wins means that you step on someone's toes.

@vaderito

UNPOPULAR OPINION INCOMING

'Award ceremonies' are outdated, fatuous things anyway. Ten years from now, no one's going to remember or care who won anything this year or last year or the year before that. I mean, someone like Adam Driver doesn't need to be given a little naked golden man for us to know he's a good actor.

As someone (can't remember who) once said, these awards are just Hollywood's way of patting itself on the back for making 50 bajillion dollars yet another year in a row. The whole thing just irks me.

Rant about animated films hidden:

Again, just my opinion.

@Armadeus

My opinion on award/award shows has evolved in recent years.  As a movie-goer, I do think they're still valuable at highlighting movies that I'd enjoy, but I've learned to put more focus on the nominee groups than on the actual winners. Outside of Moonlight last year, I can't think of a Best Picture winner that I've agreed with in recent years for the Oscars. However, learning about the pool of nominees has steered me towards some films that I've loved that I might have passed over otherwise. For example, I'll admit it--I thought I, Tonya was a bit of a joke until it started getting award buzz, so I ended up seeing it, and I friggin' loved it. And Allison Janney and Margot Robbie deserve all of the accolades that they're getting for their performances.

I think that as with any sort of popularity contest (because that's what awards are), you can get something valuable out of it, but it's best to generally take them with a grain of salt.