Re: Episode IX CRACK spoiler discussion thread

[Darth Dingbat]

^ I'm pretty sure nobody here trusts the guy 100%, though... One can be curious about his track record - and therefore not dismiss everything he says outright - without actually believing everything he says.

[ZioRen]

@special_cases

And I think some of us are just trying to reiterate that someone who had some plot points kind of vaguely correct, but also claimed that in TLJ a) there would be a reveal that Kylo left Rey on Jakku/rescued her from Luke's Jedi camp massacre, and b) that it would also be revealed that Rey is the granddaughter of Palpatine, and is being *weirdly* arrogant about their certainty over what they are kind of claiming to be 2nd/3rd hand information shouldn't be trusted 100%. Like, I think that is perfectly reasonable advice in this situation, or in any spoiler situation.

@nickandnora

It's not as if Reylos didn't guess a lot of plot points too. The Force bond, in particular, and the romance between Rey and Kylo. Once upon a time that was considered pure crack and though they refuse to acknowledge it, we look practically prophetic in comparison to nearly every other fangroup. Also "Renperor" and Kylo killing Snoke to take over was a theory I saw around a lot even among Reylos (thought most of us really disliked the thought).

[Cowgirlsamurai]

Still holding out for a Reylo baby in the epilogue

@Mana

Me too. This would be reasonable. Rey's secret Force bond baby?      

[Darth Dingbat]

I think of it more like - Renperor is a theory, Kylo killing Snoke is a theory, attraction between Rey and Kylo is a theory; but combine all of this with Finn and Poe on a casino planet, for example, and it starts seeming a bit more than a mere coincidence.

[nickandnora]

@nickandnora I don't think such advice is needed in Crack thread. Also, I will say it one more time and will be saying it every time.  Kylo killing Snoke - not returning to the Light - becoming the Supreme Leader is Big. Deal. It's not kind of vaguely correct and never will be - it's very very correct just from few TFA's viewings. Bothan-Spy also hinted that Phasma will be killed in "act of revenge" and that it will have specific context - and it didn't happen. So even the most legit leakers is getting things wrong.

@special_cases

Wait... I'm legitimately confused now, and I'm not trying to be coy or difficult either.

Crack spoilers means, like, ridiculous spoilers, right? So, as a result, I've just been saying this particular person, who seems to be getting a lot of defense as real in this thread, probably shouldn't be trusted 100% because he/she has said some hinky things in the past. As such, we should continue discussing him in the crack thread, because probably part of what he says... is on crack. But then I keep reading about why this person should be trusted, because of past accuracy? Like, there is a lot of backing up of what this person says occurring here. In the crack thread.

So... what are we talking about, exactly? Maybe I don't understand what "crack" spoilers are?

[special_cases]

@nickandnora maybe because absolutely nobody here is saying that he should be trusted 100% and discussion happens in Crack thread the advice is kind of... pointless? Or you're saying that we need to dismiss automatically everybody who is not 100% accurate? I personally don't think he really needs any defence - he was right about a lot of things and he was wrong about a lot of things. That's the same way I view this leak.

[vaderito]

Yeah, there's a difference between this 4chan/reddit guy whose stuff may be legit to an extent and something like Fetus Snoke Leak.

[nickandnora]

@nickandnora maybe because absolutely nobody here is saying that he should be trusted 100% and discussion happens in Crack thread the advice is kind of... pointless? Or you're saying that we need to dismiss automatically everybody who is not 100% accurate? I personally don't think he really needs any defence - he was right about a lot of things and he was wrong about a lot of things. That's the same way I view this leak.

@special_cases

Right... so what I'm saying is that maybe this conversation about this 4chan/reddit guy belongs in the other spoilers/speculation thread for IX. That's not my decision to make, I'm just making a suggestion I guess. Because I seem to be misinterpreting the tone or the intention of this thread. Or something.

@vaderito - Exactly. EXACTLY.

[special_cases]

@nickandnora The thing is that he is already discussed there. So here I guess we can discuss his track record and how to view his leak. I don't care about his leak being approved or something - I think we should wait for some confirmation.

[Night Huntress]

Also, just because leaker got some things right from TLJ, doesn't mean he/she will this time.

Depends if the source is involved again- this could or could not be the case...

I still try to understand why someone would do that- why take the risk for some questionable "fame" on sides like reddit or 4chan where almost no one really believes it anyway (at least this early in production).

And IF you know some "legit" details, then post just that and don't make-up BS that would only ruin your credibility  

[ISeeAnIsland]

So... I've been thinking too much and did some digging around last night. *puts on tinfoil hat* And I'm leaning towards thinking that this 4chan/reddit guy is either a LF plant or a LF pawn.

First of all, I agree with @vaderito that 4chan/reddit leaker is likely the same person and that he's making it look like the same info is coming from multiple sources.

In both the TLJ "leak" and this "leak", he came out of the gate early and posted some visual details that were potential candidates to come out in early leaks/shooting leaks, e.g. in TLJ, about the Casino Planet, Finn having a love interest there, etc. With this leak, there are elements that could easily be confirmed (if true) through early casting/shooting rumors--e.g. Leia recast, alien girl character, water planet/Malta studio.

It's just enough to give the poster some credibility, and when these things start leaking during the shoot, people like us won't know what to believe, and it'll muddy the waters between what's real and what's FAF.

Interestingly, for those of you who were here in the runup to TLJ, we had another reddit poster who posted with a ton of confidence, seemed to use multiple accounts to make it look like things came from multiple sources, etc... We nicknamed him "Gangsta Rap Guy" (as his actual screenname was not something any of us wanted to type on a public board).

In any case, I dug back through some of GRG's posts last night...and guess what things he "called" for the overall direction of the ST?

* Reylo love child (that "drives Kylo's redemption arc)
* Episode IX being split in two
* Rey to eventually be revealed as Rey Palpatine.

Basically, I'm leaning towards thinking that the same LF "source" (or pool of sources) is feeding both FOOSLS and Gangsta Rap Guy, or stuff like the love child, Rey Palpatine is standard FAF from LF that they sprinkle in with their red herring leaks to confuse people.

[kroi]

I think of it more like - Renperor is a theory, Kylo killing Snoke is a theory, attraction between Rey and Kylo is a theory; but combine all of this with Finn and Poe on a casino planet, for example, and it starts seeming a bit more than a mere coincidence.

@Darth Dingbat

I am lazy and jumping in late to this discussion... LOL! But wasn't this guy's 'leak' after we'd all seen the pics from the filming of CB, when many assumed it would be a Casino setup??

[Moonlight13]

@ISeeAnIsland
I totally agree with you.

[Darth Dingbat]

I think of it more like - Renperor is a theory, Kylo killing Snoke is a theory, attraction between Rey and Kylo is a theory; but combine all of this with Finn and Poe on a casino planet, for example, and it starts seeming a bit more than a mere coincidence.

@Darth Dingbat

I am lazy and jumping in late to this discussion... LOL! But wasn't this guy's 'leak' after we'd all seen the pics from the filming of CB, when many assumed it would be a Casino setup??

@kroi

No - this guy's leak was in December 2015, and filming in Dubrovnik was March 2016.

[special_cases]

Oh God for a moment I thought that GRG is back after everything.

I can believe that these leakers are LF plants. I can even imagine that this FOOSLS is GRG actually.

[IoJovi]

So... I've been thinking too much and did some digging around last night. *puts on tinfoil hat* And I'm leaning towards thinking that this 4chan/reddit guy is either a LF plant or a LF pawn.

First of all, I agree with @vaderito that 4chan/reddit leaker is likely the same person and that he's making it look like the same info is coming from multiple sources.

In both the TLJ "leak" and this "leak", he came out of the gate early and posted some visual details that were potential candidates to come out in early leaks/shooting leaks, e.g. in TLJ, about the Casino Planet, Finn having a love interest there, etc. With this leak, there are elements that could easily be confirmed (if true) through early casting/shooting rumors--e.g. Leia recast, alien girl character, water planet/Malta studio.

It's just enough to give the poster some credibility, and when these things start leaking during the shoot, people like us won't know what to believe, and it'll muddy the waters between what's real and what's FAF.

Interestingly, for those of you who were here in the runup to TLJ, we had another reddit poster who posted with a ton of confidence, seemed to use multiple accounts to make it look like things came from multiple sources, etc... We nicknamed him "Gangsta Rap Guy" (as his actual screenname was not something any of us wanted to type on a public board).

In any case, I dug back through some of GRG's posts last night...and guess what things he "called" for the overall direction of the ST?

* Reylo love child (that "drives Kylo's redemption arc)
* Episode IX being split in two
* Rey to eventually be revealed as Rey Palpatine.

Basically, I'm leaning towards thinking that the same LF "source" (or pool of sources) is feeding both FOOSLS and Gangsta Rap Guy, or stuff like the love child, Rey Palpatine is standard FAF from LF that they sprinkle in with their red herring leaks to confuse people.

@ISeeAnIsland

I am totally on board with this guy being a LF pawn or a LF plant, although I think a a direct plant is probably more likely since they can completely control what is said. Also, the biggest crux of the story now is Ben's redemption and will it or won't it happen. If they're going to choose something to misdirect on, this is exactly where they'll start.

[nickandnora]

Also, just because leaker got some things right from TLJ, doesn't mean he/she will this time.

Depends if the source is involved again- this could or could not be the case...

I still try to understand why someone would do that- why take the risk for some questionable "fame" on sides like reddit or 4chan where almost no one really believes it anyway (at least this early in production).

And IF you know some "legit" details, then post just that and don't make-up BS that would only ruin your credibility  

@Night Huntress

This is going to make me sound ancient, but I've been involved in enough online fandoms to know that a little bit of insider knowledge (or worse, perceived insider knowledge), and the resulting attention that ensues when it's shared has the potential to make people totally drunk with "power." And I don't say that lightly, because I've seen it many, many times. Let a person think they have an insider scoop and often they become absolutely nuts with pride. Someone who likes that kind of attention isn't going to be entirely truthful or actually qualify their information; they're going to talk as though their word is God.

This guy talks exactly as I just described (super, super arrogant), meaning he's a peon who is delusional on power, or he's a LF plant. Either work.

[Piper Maru]

It's definitely possible that this guy is a LF plant. Let's be real: LF is not stupid and they know that leaks keep momentum going in fandom spaces when there's nothing else going on. They could easily start divulging real info (mostly environment stuff) with FAF to confuse the fans and create buzz.

[kroi]

I think of it more like - Renperor is a theory, Kylo killing Snoke is a theory, attraction between Rey and Kylo is a theory; but combine all of this with Finn and Poe on a casino planet, for example, and it starts seeming a bit more than a mere coincidence.

@Darth Dingbat

I am lazy and jumping in late to this discussion... LOL! But wasn't this guy's 'leak' after we'd all seen the pics from the filming of CB, when many assumed it would be a Casino setup??

@kroi

@Darth Dingbat
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No - this guy's leak was in December 2015, and filming in Dubrovnik was March 2016.

UGH what is with the formatting in this post?!
Oh okay... leaning towards an LFL leaker then.... I noticed a lot of them pre-TLJ were pushing Reylo as if preparing general fans. Also early storyboards don't have as much info as he's claiming

*he's now saying the planet is Rataka Prime!!

[vaderito]

I think of it more like - Renperor is a theory, Kylo killing Snoke is a theory, attraction between Rey and Kylo is a theory; but combine all of this with Finn and Poe on a casino planet, for example, and it starts seeming a bit more than a mere coincidence.

@Darth Dingbat

I am lazy and jumping in late to this discussion... LOL! But wasn't this guy's 'leak' after we'd all seen the pics from the filming of CB, when many assumed it would be a Casino setup??

@kroi

@Darth Dingbat
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No - this guy's leak was in December 2015, and filming in Dubrovnik was March 2016.

UGH what is with the formatting in this post?!
Oh okay... leaning towards an LFL leaker then.... I noticed a lot of them pre-TLJ were pushing Reylo as if preparing general fans. Also early storyboards don't have as much info as he's claiming

*he's now saying the planet is Rataka Prime!!

@kroi

Good, the more he talks the more his BS will be apparent. He's eather BSing stuff around actual few leaks or is BSing the whole thing.

[Night Huntress]

actually, it would make sense for it to be a LF plant- they know some things like location, castings etc. are going to leak eventually so they start spreading confusion what these could really mean in the story.

[special_cases]

I'm reading his new replies and his tone is sooooo GRG...

You do realize I posted that before the first trailer of Rogue One came out, right?

You’d really think that after TLJ you people would have learned your lesson about marrying outcomes that only exist in your head.

No the Ocean planet is... ah f**** I didn’t want to say it this early, it’s Rakata Prime (sorry if spelled wrong)

You might as well come to terms with that now.

Also if he call Kylo just "Ren" a few more times...

[vaderito]

Rakata Prime...more like Fak(e)ata Prime.

[nickandnora]

I think of it more like - Renperor is a theory, Kylo killing Snoke is a theory, attraction between Rey and Kylo is a theory; but combine all of this with Finn and Poe on a casino planet, for example, and it starts seeming a bit more than a mere coincidence.

@Darth Dingbat

I am lazy and jumping in late to this discussion... LOL! But wasn't this guy's 'leak' after we'd all seen the pics from the filming of CB, when many assumed it would be a Casino setup??

@kroi

@Darth Dingbat
.

No - this guy's leak was in December 2015, and filming in Dubrovnik was March 2016.

UGH what is with the formatting in this post?!
Oh okay... leaning towards an LFL leaker then.... I noticed a lot of them pre-TLJ were pushing Reylo as if preparing general fans. Also early storyboards don't have as much info as he's claiming

*he's now saying the planet is Rataka Prime!!

@kroi

Yeah, gotta love those early storyboards that are encyclopedic in their information. I mean storyboards are like, what... the length of a Russian novel and contextualize every single piece of info?

[Piper Maru]

Yes, early storyboards don't have detailed info but they do have a general direction of the storyline and its main themes. Again, for the sake of argument: if this guy saw early storyboards, he probably tried to make sense of them and created a plot to unify all the pieces. It doesn't mean he's wrong, it means he got incomplete info/info out of context.

Our dear Bothan-Spy, godfather of the glorious "smut hut", claimed that Rey and Kylo had a conversation Luke didn't like. Well, not really. They were not talking, they were holding hands through the Force. Does it mean he was wrong? Nope.

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