The Last Jedi and the Shakespeare Novelizations

snufkin wrote:My 3 week library loan is almost up for the Fry/Kogge novels and Art of book, so did one last speed read yesterday.

Finished a fast read of the Fry novel and one thing that I definitely noticed with the "being a hero versus being a leader" theme. the First Order is doomed. If Resistance 1.0 prior to decimation (thanks Poe) was a Cult of Personality, so is the First Order. Just a cult of multiple personalities, who all end up taking each other out. Fry makes a point of this by including exposition from Hux, Peavey, and Snoke's PoV sections. Imperial remnants retreated from Jakku to the Outer Rim/Unknown Regions, almost didn't survive (sounds like the Jamestown Colony), somehow Snoke became involved and helped them conquer the different planets in that region, while also taking out the existing leadership structure left over from Empires' End. And then at some point Hux takes out the last person, his father. But Hux is deluded in thinking he can be the best possible Supreme Leader because nobody respects him, especially officers like Peavey. Even without Ben taking out Snoke and then seizing power, it's going to be ugly on that side. Resistance? Eh, nearly everybody's dead and even if I think Poe's a s*** leader, they're obviously being set up as more cohesive. Though I still think Resistance 2.0 will be an underground/whisper network like Sanctuary in Logan's Run, the Human Project in Children of Men, and the Replicant Liberation Groups in Blade Runner/2049.

The Kogge Novel, when Luke blows up the hut he turns against Rey and there's a line about how she can't be trusted because she's "In League" with Kylo Ren! Which isn't in the Fry novel and certainly not in the movie other than Luke telling her to leave the island after he catches her in flagrante delicto with his nephew

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SoloSideCousin wrote:

ZioRen wrote:Ugh, ew. It still creeps me out to know that the novelization's scene with Snoke wiping away Kylo's tear seems to have been originally filmed. I guess it must have been something Fry pulled from Rian's script.





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Also look at Adam's slumped shoulders there. He's kneeling like a kid would with some abusive authority figure,  and not like the adult soldier that he actually  is.

Lamiller1390 wrote:Okay so I just finished the audiobook novelization which was AMAZING and there were two parts of the book that really stood out to me towards the end. The scene that I am sure was cut from the movie where Rey is standing over an unconscious Kylo after the saber breaks and the ship is shredded from that Holdo Action.... and at the very end where she very clearly severs the tie with Kylo. The force bond... whatever.

So in the first scene where Rey has a little self-reflection after leaving the Supremecy and leaving Kylo on the ship.

"Rey had learned that the Force was not her instrument - that, in fact, it was the other way around. Just as Kylo was its instrument, despite his determination to bend it to his will. He would learn that one day, she sensed - the Force wasn't finished with him. ANd that meant that Kylo's life was not hers to take, whatever future she thought she saw ahead of him. Rey would wait, however difficult that would be to do as the First Order warship descended on Crait. She would wait, and the future would unfold as the Force willed."

So here it seems she's reached a higher level of understanding about the force, that she no longer needs to rely on the connection with Kylo to understand or use the force. She is now... one with the force. Something that seemed to happen during the throne room battle. She also seems to have a decent idea of it's future plans for Kylo and has resigned herself to be patient and wait.

This passage gave me the impression that she will wait for him to be ready to accept his role. Right now he's not ready but he will be at some point and she will be waiting for him. This also gave me the impression that waiting for him would be difficult for her... is that because of her feelings for him... or will it just be hard due to the fact that during that waiting period things might get worse before they get better...

In conjunction with that, we have that last scene.

"He stared at Rey. She stared back at him, her gaze level and unafraid. There was no hatred in her eyes, as there once had been. But there was no compassion, either. A moment later Rey severed the connection, leaving Kylo alone in the gloom with his father's dice resting in the palm of his upraised hand."

tippytoo wrote:I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but I want to bring attention to the final scene in the Last Jedi novelization with Broom Boi (Temiri), his little girl-friend/crush Arashell Sar, and their cruel "boss" Bargwill Tomder. At first glance, the scene is a cute afterthought, thrown in for a lighthearted moment, but on second thought...

what if it's Jason Fry's subtle way of showing us Kylo Ren's thoughts about Rey during the Snoke scene? I think Jason Fry had mentioned on Twitter that he wasn't allowed to go into Kylo's inner thoughts for fear of giving too much away, but this children's scene could have been his way around that without being explicit. Here's a quote from the children's scene that can be directly paralleled with what we think is motivating Kylo:

"Temiri tried to keep his body between Bargwill and Arashell, hoping she'd notice what he was doing for her...Arashell didn't need his help anyway - she slipped nimbly past the stable keeper to safety."

Temiri thinks Arashell is capable, someone who doesn't need his help, but he chooses to give help anyway in hopes that she'll see how much he cares for her. Similarly, as of TLJ, Kylo sees Rey as an equal, someone who doesn't necessarily need his help, but he chooses to give help anyway against Snoke, and hopes his actions speak for his feelings.

Cowgirlsamurai wrote:

tippytoo wrote:I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but I want to bring attention to the final scene in the Last Jedi novelization with Broom Boi (Temiri), his little girl-friend/crush Arashell Sar, and their cruel "boss" Bargwill Tomder. At first glance, the scene is a cute afterthought, thrown in for a lighthearted moment, but on second thought...

what if it's Jason Fry's subtle way of showing us Kylo Ren's thoughts about Rey during the Snoke scene? I think Jason Fry had mentioned on Twitter that he wasn't allowed to go into Kylo's inner thoughts for fear of giving too much away, but this children's scene could have been his way around that without being explicit. Here's a quote from the children's scene that can be directly paralleled with what we think is motivating Kylo:

"Temiri tried to keep his body between Bargwill and Arashell, hoping she'd notice what he was doing for her...Arashell didn't need his help anyway - she slipped nimbly past the stable keeper to safety."

Temiri thinks Arashell is capable, someone who doesn't need his help, but he chooses to give help anyway in hopes that she'll see how much he cares for her. Similarly, as of TLJ, Kylo sees Rey as an equal, someone who doesn't necessarily need his help, but he chooses to give help anyway against Snoke, and hopes his actions speak for his feelings.

@tippytoo

I must've skimmed the broomboi scene when I read it because I don't remember that part! Aww, I really hope you're right about an intentional parallel. Makes sense to me

AhsokaTano wrote:Hey all , didn’t know where to post this :


Can’t wait - will probably have more revelations like the force awakens one did . Still remember rey’s glorious line to kylo “ come kylo Ren and feel the light of rey “. The whole play was glorious to be honest and can’t wait for this one .  

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giaciak2 wrote:I don’t understand what is this ?