Re: The "Crack" Spoiler Discussion Thread

[ISeeAnIsland]

The leak about Rey's parentage makes sense to me.
Now, I am curious what Luke is doing in the third act of the movie. I know several leakers say he is the bad guy. But besides him being bad or not. I really wonder if he will even leave Ache to?

@Birdwoman

MSW still says that they have "no evidence" that Luke leaves Ahch-To. So if Luke does leave, that's something that LF has kept under lock-and-key.

Unless one or more of the "bad guy Luke" leakers turns out to be correct. (I still want to believe the "Finn in the casino" bit, even if that's the only "real" bit in that guy's leak.)

[ISeeAnIsland]

I've spotted another Redditor dropping some nuggets than could turn real or could not. He didn't create a thread but drops something here and there in response to "leaks":

https://www.reddit.com/user/HouseBlackAdder

Stuff of note:

Sorry my friend, but Rey is not Skywalker, she was traded for a ship by her parents. We will see this in TLJ. It is a sad scene.
Hux is hurt in an explosion that is a direct result of Finn/Rose infiltration.
Lough Abisdealy was rumored to be a secret filming location for TLJ.
Luke is not going to train Rey at all. One of the TLJ twists.

OTOH, he also believes that KoR are some of Luke's students and that DJ is a KoR (The Monk) cause he has a black ring.

@vaderito

Lough Abisdealy is near Lissard--one of the "secret" filming locations that SWC talked about (and that we discussed a bit here). I wonder if that user got that info from us or from a different source.

Another potentially interesting bit from this same poster:

When Leia slaps Poe it will be because of his badmouthing her son Kylo :O

[Saracene]

The big missing piece with Luke is what exactly he discovers in between his initial self-exile and Rey finding him years later. I've actually began to think that the "divisive" aspect of TLJ has something to do with that new information, rather than Luke's character as such.

[DarthRen]

The leak about Rey's parentage makes sense to me.
Now, I am curious what Luke is doing in the third act of the movie. I know several leakers say he is the bad guy. But besides him being bad or not. I really wonder if he will even leave Ache to?

@Birdwoman

TFA pretty much implied that Rey's parents are not that significant but rather her future. Hence Maz's line about belonging ahead and not in the past. She belongs to Skywalker family but from my perspective not the way people think as Luke's daughter. More likely moral compass for two lost Skywalkers. Not like Rey will do everything but these two guys need a bit of a push or kick in the a** to get on the right track.

Personally, I think Luke will but most of his arc will be Ach-To something big besides Rey, something with what @Saracene correctly said Luke has been doing ever since Ben fell to the Dark Side. We need to know more about this and what really led Ben to fall and threw a discord betweeen him and Luke. It's really fascinating what Luke is doing on Ach-To, who has found and how he sees the Force at this point.

[Kylo Men]

The fun part of all this is that once the trailers comes, we'll be able to guess if any of these "leaks" are right. WE might be sitting here in a week or so knowing Oor strongly suspecting) the plot.

[snufkin]

Any scenario to do with Rey being abandoned is pretty high on my list of expected plot points in the next movie. She and Luke have both been shown to have some magical thinking about parents, his part in being in Bloodline. I'll be surprised if they don't show those beliefs being brought crashing down on the both of them, especially after the EW mentioned her abandonment issues. It may turn out in the end that she was left on Jalku as the only option for protecting her. But I expect she'll get wrecked over her parents during the next chapter of the story. Especially if she'll spending time with another character with abandonment issues

[SoloSideCousin]

The big missing piece with Luke is what exactly he discovers in between his initial self-exile and Rey finding him years later. I've actually began to think that the "divisive" aspect of TLJ has something to do with that new information, rather than Luke's character as such.

@Saracene

I definitely believe that there has been some new discovery about the nature of the force. Rian has talked about RoTLA as an inspiration. And the presence of the force tree, the books and the first Jedi temple all hint at the discovery of ancient, but new to Luke and Ben, knowledge. The trailer also hints at this very strongly. I just think that Luke and Ben may have came across some discovery together and came to different conclusions (probably both half wrong conclusions - Rey may serve as the mediator on this, as hinted by the poster). That could have led to meltdown between them and both may be following up their conclusions in different directions. That "force holy wars option has never been debunked. Also, I find it interesting that none of the leaks really touch on this "new knowledge" aspect when LF says that old knowledge about the Force (paraphrase) is discovered in TLK and Adam Driver said that Rian has made some changes to the rules of the force (again paraphrase). Whatever this is, they are holding it very close to the vest.

[Birdwoman]

Was there a leak a long time ago about TLJ exploring the mysticism of the force?
There is a new 4chan leak on the speculation Reddit site. It seems like a rehash of other leaks. It is Reylo friendly. Haha

[ISeeAnIsland]

Random IG account that I'm not familiar with is claiming knowledge of some of the shots in the trailer to debut Oct. 9th:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZuFGWxlpwa/

starwarsbtsSPOILERS!!! SPOILERS!!!
Star Wars The Last Jedi trailer leaks 7 new scenes: Luke and Rey ending? Plus Leia, battle of Crait
1. "A wide shot of Luke and Rey looking at each other under the Falcon."
2. "A close up of Rey with her hair down, blowing through the wind, with her lightsaber ignited."
3. " A distant shot of Luke and Rey walking through a cave."
4. "A wide shot of the oceans of Canto Bight."
5. "Tons of blasters firing through the casino on Canto Bight with Finn and Rose running."
6 ."A shot of Poe and Leia face to face in front of a control room."
7. "John Williams composed an action-filled track for the trailer itself that will keep fans on the edge of their seats."
#starwars #thelastjedi #trailer #lukeskywalker

[SoloSideCousin]

Random IG account that I'm not familiar with is claiming knowledge of some of the shots in the trailer to debut Oct. 9th:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZuFGWxlpwa/

starwarsbtsSPOILERS!!! SPOILERS!!!
Star Wars The Last Jedi trailer leaks 7 new scenes: Luke and Rey ending? Plus Leia, battle of Crait
1. "A wide shot of Luke and Rey looking at each other under the Falcon."
2. "A close up of Rey with her hair down, blowing through the wind, with her lightsaber ignited."
3. " A distant shot of Luke and Rey walking through a cave."
4. "A wide shot of the oceans of Canto Bight."
5. "Tons of blasters firing through the casino on Canto Bight with Finn and Rose running."
6 ."A shot of Poe and Leia face to face in front of a control room."
7. "John Williams composed an action-filled track for the trailer itself that will keep fans on the edge of their seats."
#starwars #thelastjedi #trailer #lukeskywalker

@ISeeAnIsland

So no new Kylo images? I know that they are keeping him secret, but given how the whole room screamed at the SWC panel when the Kylo pictures came up, I really don't think they wouldn't give us something. Also, there is no Phasma or FO in this either. The doubt is strong with this one.

Was there a leak a long time ago about TLJ exploring the mysticism of the force?
There is a new 4chan leak on the speculation Reddit site. It seems like a rehash of other leaks. It is Reylo friendly. Haha

@Birdwoman

Here's the link on that one: http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/88422395

[IoJovi]

Random IG account that I'm not familiar with is claiming knowledge of some of the shots in the trailer to debut Oct. 9th:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZuFGWxlpwa/

starwarsbtsSPOILERS!!! SPOILERS!!!
Star Wars The Last Jedi trailer leaks 7 new scenes: Luke and Rey ending? Plus Leia, battle of Crait
1. "A wide shot of Luke and Rey looking at each other under the Falcon."
2. "A close up of Rey with her hair down, blowing through the wind, with her lightsaber ignited."
3. " A distant shot of Luke and Rey walking through a cave."
4. "A wide shot of the oceans of Canto Bight."
5. "Tons of blasters firing through the casino on Canto Bight with Finn and Rose running."
6 ."A shot of Poe and Leia face to face in front of a control room."
7. "John Williams composed an action-filled track for the trailer itself that will keep fans on the edge of their seats."
#starwars #thelastjedi #trailer #lukeskywalker

@ISeeAnIsland

So no new Kylo images? I know that they are keeping him secret, but given how the whole room screamed at the SWC panel when the Kylo pictures came up, I really don't think they wouldn't give us something. Also, there is no Phasma or FO in this either. The doubt is strong with this one.

Was there a leak a long time ago about TLJ exploring the mysticism of the force?
There is a new 4chan leak on the speculation Reddit site. It seems like a rehash of other leaks. It is Reylo friendly. Haha

@Birdwoman

Here's the link on that one: http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/88422395

@SoloSideCousin

I *get* they’re keeping Kylo hidden, but geez Louise how hard is it to show a shot of him without any context, similar to what they did in the first trailer? There’s also the strong possibility that this is pure baloney as well, so there is that...

[Kessel]

Yeah, they have to have something of Kylo in the trailer. At least one shot... I'll be very disappointed (and suprised ) if there's nothing of him.

[ISeeAnIsland]

Yeah, I'm skeptical of the trailer leak, which is why I posted it in the "crack" thread. But hey,we're in spoiler drought, so at least it was something to post/discuss.

[Saracene]

The big missing piece with Luke is what exactly he discovers in between his initial self-exile and Rey finding him years later. I've actually began to think that the "divisive" aspect of TLJ has something to do with that new information, rather than Luke's character as such.

@Saracene

I definitely believe that there has been some new discovery about the nature of the force. Rian has talked about RoTLA as an inspiration. And the presence of the force tree, the books and the first Jedi temple all hint at the discovery of ancient, but new to Luke and Ben, knowledge. The trailer also hints at this very strongly. I just think that Luke and Ben may have came across some discovery together and came to different conclusions (probably both half wrong conclusions - Rey may serve as the mediator on this, as hinted by the poster). That could have led to meltdown between them and both may be following up their conclusions in different directions. That "force holy wars option has never been debunked. Also, I find it interesting that none of the leaks really touch on this "new knowledge" aspect when LF says that old knowledge about the Force (paraphrase) is discovered in TLK and Adam Driver said that Rian has made some changes to the rules of the force (again paraphrase). Whatever this is, they are holding it very close to the vest.

@SoloSideCousin

I'm actually not sure that Kylo had anything to do with this discovery. From one of Mark's recent interviews, to me it sounded like all those discoveries happened after Luke exiled himself, i.e. after he and Kylo were separated, so Kylo couldn't be a part of it. I know that Bloodline mentioned Luke and Ben being away, but I'm sceptical about how really important it is to the story told in the movies. For all I know it could just have been a device used by the writer to make Luke and Ben unreachable to Leia, because that's what she needed to tell her story about Leia.

[SoloSideCousin]

The big missing piece with Luke is what exactly he discovers in between his initial self-exile and Rey finding him years later. I've actually began to think that the "divisive" aspect of TLJ has something to do with that new information, rather than Luke's character as such.

@Saracene

I definitely believe that there has been some new discovery about the nature of the force. Rian has talked about RoTLA as an inspiration. And the presence of the force tree, the books and the first Jedi temple all hint at the discovery of ancient, but new to Luke and Ben, knowledge. The trailer also hints at this very strongly. I just think that Luke and Ben may have came across some discovery together and came to different conclusions (probably both half wrong conclusions - Rey may serve as the mediator on this, as hinted by the poster). That could have led to meltdown between them and both may be following up their conclusions in different directions. That "force holy wars option has never been debunked. Also, I find it interesting that none of the leaks really touch on this "new knowledge" aspect when LF says that old knowledge about the Force (paraphrase) is discovered in TLK and Adam Driver said that Rian has made some changes to the rules of the force (again paraphrase). Whatever this is, they are holding it very close to the vest.

@SoloSideCousin

I'm actually not sure that Kylo had anything to do with this discovery. From one of Mark's recent interviews, to me it sounded like all those discoveries happened after Luke exiled himself, i.e. after he and Kylo were separated, so Kylo couldn't be a part of it. I know that Bloodline mentioned Luke and Ben being away, but I'm sceptical about how really important it is to the story told in the movies. For all I know it could just have been a device used by the writer to make Luke and Ben unreachable to Leia, because that's what she needed to tell her story about Leia.

@Saracene

Hmmm, that's interesting. I don't remember reading anything from Mark that gave that impression, but I certainly could have missed something. Do you have a link to the Mark interview that you are talking about?

[Saracene]

The big missing piece with Luke is what exactly he discovers in between his initial self-exile and Rey finding him years later. I've actually began to think that the "divisive" aspect of TLJ has something to do with that new information, rather than Luke's character as such.

@Saracene

I definitely believe that there has been some new discovery about the nature of the force. Rian has talked about RoTLA as an inspiration. And the presence of the force tree, the books and the first Jedi temple all hint at the discovery of ancient, but new to Luke and Ben, knowledge. The trailer also hints at this very strongly. I just think that Luke and Ben may have came across some discovery together and came to different conclusions (probably both half wrong conclusions - Rey may serve as the mediator on this, as hinted by the poster). That could have led to meltdown between them and both may be following up their conclusions in different directions. That "force holy wars option has never been debunked. Also, I find it interesting that none of the leaks really touch on this "new knowledge" aspect when LF says that old knowledge about the Force (paraphrase) is discovered in TLK and Adam Driver said that Rian has made some changes to the rules of the force (again paraphrase). Whatever this is, they are holding it very close to the vest.

@SoloSideCousin

I'm actually not sure that Kylo had anything to do with this discovery. From one of Mark's recent interviews, to me it sounded like all those discoveries happened after Luke exiled himself, i.e. after he and Kylo were separated, so Kylo couldn't be a part of it. I know that Bloodline mentioned Luke and Ben being away, but I'm sceptical about how really important it is to the story told in the movies. For all I know it could just have been a device used by the writer to make Luke and Ben unreachable to Leia, because that's what she needed to tell her story about Leia.

@Saracene

Hmmm, that's interesting. I don't remember reading anything from Mark that gave that impression, but I certainly could have missed something. Do you have a link to the Mark interview that you are talking about?

@SoloSideCousin

I looked up the interview (with the Russian sci-fi magazine) and my bad, I remembered it wrong. Mark wasn't talking about the years in between the Jedi school destruction and TLJ, he was talking about the years in between Return of the Jedi and TLJ.

I still don't know about Kylo being around when Luke discovered something about the Force. I think it's reasonable to expect that whatever Luke found out, he did so on Anch-To, and if he did it with Ben then there'd be no reason for Kylo to hunt down the map to the island.

[EchoBase]

Yeah, they have to have something of Kylo in the trailer. At least one shot... I'll be very disappointed (and suprised ) if there's nothing of him.

@Kessel

Very unlikely to show no villain at all.

[Maria26]

^^I very much doubt that they're not going to show Kylo in the trailer. I feel like it's almost impossible. Especially for the first official trailer.

[Darth_Awakened]

Come on, no way they're not showing Kylo.

[vaderito]

LOL, that sounds boring. So shots of people staring at eahc other or staring into whatever, blaster shots and that's it?

[nite0wl29]

^^I very much doubt that they're not going to show Kylo in the trailer. I feel like it's almost impossible. Especially for the first official trailer.

@Maria26

Agreed. Obviously they don't wanna show clips of anything that would give away his character arc, but not showing him at all would be stupid. We got what...one glimpse of him in the teaser? They're certainly doing a great job at keeping him in secrecy

[DarthRen]

I can see at least one shot of Kylo with Snoke or Hux. Something that wouldn't be too spoilery, at least one shot of him will be in the trailer no matter how big secret his arc is. Obviously, it will be heavy Finn with Rose, Rey with Luke because we know they gonna be together for large part of the movie.

[SoloSideCousin]

Another day, another 4Chan leak.

Apparently this guy has a marketing connection. He says that there is no Reylo, but then he says that they are two halves of the force and that their destinies were connected for a long time.  Kylo is only "wavering", yet he does meet his mother on the Resistance ship. Luke thinks he's lost his connection to the force, but is almost his old self at the end. Rey is basically a Jedi at the end (Daisy says different). Snoke is a parasite on a Kylo, but is really all about taking out Luke (something like purging the Skywalkers, need to re-read). I can't remember anything else except he admits that he only saw 20% of the movie, and basically that should be enough because marketers had to know what they could or could not do. (Of course, there is no mention of the second wave, post-movie wave of merchandising). However, it's listed under TLJSpoils. I feel like I have seen that name before, unless it's just a general 4Chan thing.

http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/88424951/i-worked-in-marketing-for-tlj-i-know-some-details

[vaderito]

Another day, another 4Chan leak.

Apparently this guy has a marketing connection. He says that there is no Reylo, but then he says that they are two halves of the force and that their destinies were connected for a long time.  Kylo is only "wavering", yet he does meet his mother on the Resistance ship. Luke thinks he's lost his connection to the force, but is almost his old self at the end. Rey is basically a Jedi at the end (Daisy says different). Snoke is a parasite on a Kylo, but is really all about taking out Luke (something like purging the Skywalkers, need to re-read). I can't remember anything else except he admits that he only saw 20% of the movie, and basically that should be enough because marketers had to know what they could or could not do. (Of course, there is no mention of the second wave, post-movie wave of merchandising). However, it's listed under TLJSpoils. I feel like I have seen that name before, unless it's just a general 4Chan thing.

http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/88424951/i-worked-in-marketing-for-tlj-i-know-some-details

@SoloSideCousin

Whoa, whoa, let me get this straight. This guy claims to have seen only 20% of the movie but is 100% sure about everything? No "I haven't seen any scene like that in what was shown to us which doesn't mean it isn't in the other 80% of the movie" caveat?

And, yes, TLJSpoils is the name of another 4chan leaker or it's the same one but forgot that he posted before, lol:

TLJSpoils

Alright [censored] screenshot this post.

Finn has a mission to dig up info on Snoke. He's talking to rich assholes talking up the power and fear the leader of the First Order has totally unbeknownst to Finn and audience these guys are talking about Luke, not Snoke.

Blah blah B story blah blah Finn unwillingly betrays the Resistance by having his brain freakin downloaded.

Luke is straight up evil. No gray. No "he sees chaos as balance" bullshit. He's straight up fallen to the dark side. He's addicted to the power of the dark side and has been manipulating the events of everything since ROTJ

The Knights of Ren were his creation.

Kylo turns to the light when he realizes he's been played.

Kylo and Rey fall in love.

Rey is Emperor Palpatine's granddaughter

Luke reveals a red lightsaber after literally calling lightning down from the sky in a rain storm.

The ghosts of Obi Wan, Yoda, and Anakin have been trying to warn Rey she's in danger since she arrived. She only hears them right before the big reveal.

That's all from me folks. See you in December!

TLJ is weird because it includes several shots captured with high speed cameras (slow motion for the laymen) and because the film is a whimsical adventure (save for Rose's sister' death) during the first half but abruptly turns dark with themes of a horror movie as soon as Rey kills the monster and regrets it.

She kills it you idiot. She kills it and feels triumphant for about three seconds until its cubs mourn the loss of their mother. It's analogous to how Luke kills her parents and and then discovers they had a small daughter.

Lol the people Luke kills aren't the Knights of Ren. Y'all been kept in the dark

And this **** is wrong again. DJ is rotting away in a prison cell and Finn's mission to find out more about Snoke leads him to busting this degenerate out.

That's a f****ing hint y'all.

Chewie loses arm

[DarthRen]

Saw 20% of the movie and knows everything with an absolute certainty. Damn, if movies were that simple.

Not to mention he posted stuff before contradicting this.

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