ARCHIVE: Rey's Lineage Discussion II - 2

Well, if she is involved in some way with Kylo it doesn't necessarily mean it will be all romance.....we don't know what is going to happen but Kylo is going to go to Ach-to so they'll definitely reunite for better or worse, I dunno[/quote]
@Little_Boots

Exactly. It could be as part of her own journey she shows Kylo you can fight the Darkness inside and be even more powerful and strong while doing good. And/or maybe she rescues him from Snoke at the end (which would be a more typical male thing in films with Rey as the knight in shining armor and Kylo as the damsel in distress )

Gemini wrote:@Little_BootsI agree that kylo is a big factor in her future but I'd rather see her have her own mission and the love story be secondary, like it would be for any male character/hero. Shouldn't all be revolving around a man unless it's a romance movie, which it's not. I don't think this is all going to be about kylo.

@Gemini

Well, Anakin's story wasn't all about Padmé, and yet... in a way, it ultimately was.

I think I've been a very vocal proponent of Rey having something of "her own", instead of just becoming embroiled in the Skywalker family drama. I believe that to be the case. (I don't know why she would need to be related to any specific people for that to happen, though.)

But there's really no going around the fact that the Forceback was mostly about Kylo, and her character development in TFA was mostly with Kylo. I'd be rather disappointed (or not: I'm not going to judge a story before it's told) but there's still a possibility that Rey's story will be more about Kylo than about things that are "her own". As people have often pointed out, this is still the Skywalker saga and Adam got top billing after the OT stars. Likely Kylo's role will be more central in all this than just as a "love interest".

Clearly those who see 'reylo' are not a hive mind and we all have very different ideas about what that could mean for the narrative. A romance with Kylo does not mean there's no story for Rey, because this whole trilogy is her story. The Jungian influence on Star Wars, and these types of romantic narratives specifically, means that the darkness in Kylo - Rey's animus - represents the dark part of herself that she has yet to truly acknowledge. And it's acknowledging, overcoming and accepting that darkness that will have Rey complete her heroine journey. You can see that as about Kylo, because he is his own character of course, but also about what that character represents in Rey's story. Nothing anti-feminist about that in my opinion, and it's one of the major reasons I see Rey going dark in VIII.

Many of us have also said that Rey not being a legacy child does not mean her background won't play a major part in her journey. I'm not sure how much clearer we can make that. An esteemed name isn't the only thing that could challenge her.

Darth Dingbat wrote:

Gemini wrote:@Little_BootsI agree that kylo is a big factor in her future but I'd rather see her have her own mission and the love story be secondary, like it would be for any male character/hero. Shouldn't all be revolving around a man unless it's a romance movie, which it's not. I don't think this is all going to be about kylo.

@Gemini

Well, Anakin's story wasn't all about Padmé, and yet... in a way, it ultimately was.

I think I've been a very vocal proponent of Rey having something of "her own", instead of just becoming embroiled in the Skywalker family drama. I believe that to be the case. (I don't know why she would need to be related to any specific people for that to happen, though.)

But there's really no going around the fact that the Forceback was mostly about Kylo, and her character development in TFA was mostly with Kylo. I'd be rather disappointed (or not: I'm not going to judge a story before it's told) but there's still a possibility that Rey's story will be more about Kylo than about things that are "her own". As people have often pointed out, this is still the Skywalker saga and Adam got top billing after the OT stars. Likely Kylo's role will be more central in all this than just as a "love interest".

@Darth Dingbat

"It's a story about two people" -actual quote. They will go on together, their journeys will collide, at some point

Gemini wrote:

snufkin wrote:

IoJovi wrote:
On topic, first impression after seeing TFA is that Maz's advice means whomever she's waiting for from the past isn't as important as the person who's waiting for her in the future. Which turns out to be about 15 minutes in the future from the moment she's given that piece of advice.
@snufkin

YES to the bolded!!!  That right there is the perfect summarization of why I'm here in the first place.  It doesn't matter where Rey comes from.  What does matter is where she's going, and the journey on how she's going to get there.

@IoJovi

I also think the ultimate purpose of the vision is to point out who the person is who she will be taking her first steps with in joining a larger world, become attuned to the Force. Pro-tip - it ain't Luke.

@snufkin

So "this generations Luke skywalker's" first steps are finding husband material? :P

@Gemini

Touche! I'll just quote Vanity Fair's Joanna Robinson, Just as long as we remember who’s the love interest and who’s the hero[ione].



No I meant more that the vision and Maz's words could prophesize that the person who shares her journey in discovering her powers and coming of age as a Force User is more likely to be Ben than Luke. She'll influence/change him as much as he's already changed her. But if she was willing to make out with him, we already get the impression from TFA that he'd be enthusiastically DTF (take your choice of which word F stands for).

snufkin wrote:

Gemini wrote:

snufkin wrote:

IoJovi wrote:
On topic, first impression after seeing TFA is that Maz's advice means whomever she's waiting for from the past isn't as important as the person who's waiting for her in the future. Which turns out to be about 15 minutes in the future from the moment she's given that piece of advice.
@snufkin

YES to the bolded!!!  That right there is the perfect summarization of why I'm here in the first place.  It doesn't matter where Rey comes from.  What does matter is where she's going, and the journey on how she's going to get there.

@IoJovi

I also think the ultimate purpose of the vision is to point out who the person is who she will be taking her first steps with in joining a larger world, become attuned to the Force. Pro-tip - it ain't Luke.

@snufkin

So "this generations Luke skywalker's" first steps are finding husband material?

@Gemini

Touche! I'll just quote Vanity Fair's Joanna Robinson, Just as long as we remember who’s the love interest and who’s the hero[ione].



No I meant more that the vision and Maz's words could prophesize that the person who shares her journey in discovering her powers and coming of age as a Force User is more likely to be Ben than Luke. She'll influence/change him as much as he's already changed her. But if she was willing to make out with him, we already get the impression from TFA that he'd be enthusiastically DTF (take your choice of which word F stands for).

@snufkin

what's a DTF?

Another yin yang I'd find interesting but doubt they'd ever do is if Rey is Snoke's daughter (granddaughter? How old is the big guy anyway? )  And as Kylo killed Han to try to extinguish the Light he still feels inside and failed, but "lost" Rey in the process (at least for now), Rey would kill (or maybe refuse to kill would be more appropriate) Snoke to extinguish the Dark she feels inside and succeed and "gain" Ben in the process.

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@snufkin

what's a DTF? [/quote]

@Maria Antonietta

Down to F____ (synonym for fornicate) or Down to Fight.

I personally can see Rey's backstory having something to do with Snoke or the First Jedi from Ahch-To, pre-existing plot-points that can be expanded upon in engaging and interesting ways. There are so many possibilities that would make her "origins" relevant and game-changing that have nothing to do being related to someone we've met before. Also, there's no way her story is going to be about "finding a husband" (wtf). This is still a major Hollywood blockbuster/coming-of-age space fairy tale written partly with a young audience in mind (and more than partly with an audience expecting spaceship battles, explosions and sword duels). I'm always more interested in the character dynamics and mythology, and it's SW that will be the true grace of the story. But really, in narratives of this style it's the heroine who is the one truly empowered as she influences the characters. She is the major player whose story is being told to us, but sometimes I get the impression that some feel Rey not being a legacy is the same as relegating her to the role of Kylo's "love-interest". She only exists to "save" brooding Kylo and have some Skywalker babies. *Sigh*.

snufkin wrote:[
@snufkin

what's a DTF?

@Maria Antonietta

Down to F____ (synonym for fornicate) or Down to Fight.

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@snufkin

Yes to all of it.

snufkin wrote:[
@snufkin

what's a DTF?

@Maria Antonietta

Down to F____ (synonym for fornicate) or Down to Fight.

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@snufkin

I knew it was dirty

@IoJovi

Why else would he keep yelling "Harder! Harder!" at her? Also just like Mom & Dad, who were very much DTF with each other.

snufkin wrote:@IoJovi

Why else would he keep yelling "Harder! Harder!" at her? Also just like Mom & Dad, who were very much DTF with each other.

@snufkin

Even my most non-Reylo husband caught THAT the other night when TFA was on cable for the first time...

IoJovi wrote:

snufkin wrote:@IoJovi

Why else would he keep yelling "Harder! Harder!" at her? Also just like Mom & Dad, who were very much DTF with each other.

@snufkin

Even my most non-Reylo husband caught THAT the other night when TFA was on cable for the first time...

@IoJovi

non reylo???? whaaaaat????

@snufkin I take it you saw this? http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/150367632145/cheesytriangle-hes-not-even-subtle-anymore-in

(relevant to lineage thread because, even though lego games are not canon, there is NO WAY LF and Disney would approve of a villain acting subby like that with his little sister/cousin)

BastilaBey wrote:@snufkin I take it you saw this? http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/150367632145/cheesytriangle-hes-not-even-subtle-anymore-in

(relevant to lineage thread because, even though lego games are not canon, there is NO WAY LF and Disney would approve of a villain acting subby like that with his little sister/cousin)

@BastilaBey

he's clearly a sub

Not to mention, they also put the DTF to the Lego game with Kylo lying on the ground in a submissive position screaming "Yes,Yes,Yes" while Rey is on top of him.

snufkin wrote:Why else would he keep yelling "Harder! Harder!" at her?  

@snufkin

When did that happen?  I must have missed it.

Maria Antonietta wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:@snufkin I take it you saw this? http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/150367632145/cheesytriangle-hes-not-even-subtle-anymore-in

(relevant to lineage thread because, even though lego games are not canon, there is NO WAY LF and Disney would approve of a villain acting subby like that with his little sister/cousin)

@BastilaBey

he's clearly a sub

@Maria Antonietta



Clearly!!!!

To answer your other question, my husband liked TFA, but I think he's still confounded by my level of interest in the subject...  

He didn't see Reylo at all the first time he saw it, and like many others, thought they were related.

@Sylvia Snow Seriously!!?

BastilaBey wrote:@snufkin I take it you saw this? http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/150367632145/cheesytriangle-hes-not-even-subtle-anymore-in

(relevant to lineage thread because, even though lego games are not canon, there is NO WAY LF and Disney would approve of a villain acting subby like that with his little sister/cousin)

@BastilaBey

Haha, no! But that's actual dialogue the actors recorded for the game, isn't it?

Sylvia Snow wrote:Not to mention, they also put the DTF to the Lego game with Kylo lying on the ground in a submissive position screaming "Yes,Yes,Yes" while Rey is on top of him.

@Sylvia Snow





Hilarious.

Sacrebleu wrote:

snufkin wrote:Why else would he keep yelling "Harder! Harder!" at her?  

@snufkin

When did that happen?  I must have missed it.

@Sacrebleu

When she has him on the run and knocks him down on his knees and he tries to swipe back at her. The audio is muffled and not subtitled, but you can hear him yelling at her "Harder! Harder!"

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:I personally can see Rey's backstory having something to do with Snoke or the First Jedi from Ahch-To, pre-existing plot-points that can be expanded upon in engaging and interesting ways. There are so many possibilities that would make her "origins" relevant and game-changing that have nothing to do being related to someone we've met before. Also, there's no way her story is going to be about "finding a husband" (wtf). This is still a major Hollywood blockbuster/coming-of-age space fairy tale written partly with a young audience in mind (and more than partly with an audience expecting spaceship battles, explosions and sword duels). I'm always more interested in the character dynamics and mythology, and it's SW that will be the true grace of the story. But really, in narratives of this style it's the heroine who is the one truly empowered as she influences the characters. She is the major player whose story is being told to us, but sometimes I get the impression that some feel Rey not being a legacy is the same as relegating her to the role of Kylo's "love-interest". She only exists to "save" brooding Kylo and have some Skywalker babies. *Sigh*.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Indeed. And even in older, classic female-centric stories, where young women ultimately find their place in the world via finding a suitable husband, the journey is never about being relegated to a love interest and a baby incubator. To claim otherwise is to seriously misunderstand and underestimate the importance of the female POV itself in such stories.

And of course, those stories continue to be popular because the theme of being understood and acknowledged as an equal isn't going out of style any time soon.

snufkin wrote:

Sacrebleu wrote:

snufkin wrote:Why else would he keep yelling "Harder! Harder!" at her?  

@snufkin

When did that happen?  I must have missed it.

@Sacrebleu

When she has him on the run and knocks him down on his knees and he tries to swipe back at her. The audio is muffled and not subtitled, but you can hear him yelling at her "Harder! Harder!"

@snufkin

Not sure I'd use the word "yelling"... more like groaning.

snufkin wrote:

Sacrebleu wrote:

snufkin wrote:Why else would he keep yelling "Harder! Harder!" at her?  

@snufkin

When did that happen?  I must have missed it.

@Sacrebleu

When she has him on the run and knocks him down on his knees and he tries to swipe back at her. The audio is muffled and not subtitled, but you can hear him yelling at her "Harder! Harder!"  

@snufkin

Oh geez.  That's hysterical.