ARCHIVE: Rey's Lineage Discussion II - 2

@snufkin

imho the directors comments  are more important because even though writers write the story, they don't have as much power as him in terms of what makes into the final movie. (The producer even has more power than directors vision) The emotion you see the actors portaying is mainly directed/inspired  by the director so they are realising his vision of the story and his vision of the characters and script, not the writers. The writers tend to have no say in which take of the scene makes it.

If everyone was allowed to decide what makes it and what doesn't, the film would feel disjointed and wouldn't flow seamlessley if everyone was deciding on the final vision of it. It would be messy. Its all the director/producers stamp of approval on it at the end because it has to work with their vision.

Plus he helped to write it, so he has that influence too. Kylo ren is clearly jj Abrams baby lol. The choker shots may not have been his idea, but the final choice to have them in there is his, not the writer, not the DoP, not the camera man, not he actors, not the gaffer, not the concept artist etc. If kk didn't like them, they would be removed.

This is why in Hollywood, when you think of the master mind behind a movie, 9 times out of 10, the director will be recognised as the visionary, not the writers.

@Gemini - thanks for the insight! And for mentioning the other person whose opinions I'm again, actually more interested in KK. Also the fact that the Snow Fight shots were thanks to DuVernay's input, bodes even more well for her Wrinkle in Time adaption.

snufkin wrote:@Gemini - thanks for the insight! And for mentioning the other person whose opinions I'm again, actually more interested in KK. Also the fact that the Snow Fight shots were thanks to DuVernay's input, bodes even more well for her Wrinkle in Time adaption.

@snufkin

It interests me too that he allowed the choker shots and it wasn't his idea. It means he agreed with using them and the romance aspect of the type of shot was something he needed and wanted in his movie.

Collider's Jedi Council, had some interesting comments about JJ's commentary on the Blue Ray...

Campea says that ReyWalker is dead ( as if we already didn't know) But both Harloff and Campea agree that Kylo may have never met Rey but knows of her or has heard of her previously... which lends to @Gemini's theory of the vision and the saber.. that Kylo has seen Rey in his own forcefuture vision



http://geminiwankenobi.tumblr.com/post/150654072989/the-hidden-lightsaber-and-how-lucasfilm-have

Pretty good meta. The part about Kylo seeing Rey abandoned on Jakku in his force vision makes me suspect why he said "what girl" when he heard about the girl who helped BB-8 ecsape.

Jessica Henwick has confirmed she auditioned for Rey and got quite far along the process, which is very interesting:

Question: So about Episode VIII - do you think Rey is Luke's daughter?
Jessica: I know who I think Rey is related to but I'm not going to say because I'm pretty sure that I'm right and I don't want to be sued. Because the thing is that's the role I originally auditioned for, and so I got really far with that and I found out a lot about the character, so I'm pretty sure I know. Sorry guys, secret stays with me.

nonesuch wrote:Jessica Henwick has confirmed she auditioned for Rey and got quite far along the process, which is very interesting:

Question: So about Episode VIII - do you think Rey is Luke's daughter?
Jessica: I know who I think Rey is related to but I'm not going to say because I'm pretty sure that I'm right and I don't want to be sued. Because the thing is that's the role I originally auditioned for, and so I got really far with that and I found out a lot about the character, so I'm pretty sure I know. Sorry guys, secret stays with me.

@nonesuch


Wow that is interesting.  So she's definitely not random.  Out of the Force sensitive families there's only two that are quite well known aside from Skywalker, and that's Kenobi and Palpatine.  I know there's smaller, less known ones like Dooku or Windu but I can't really see them relating her to either one of these two random dudes from the prequels.  It's gotta be something bigger.  

I do lean towards Palpatine, not out of preference as I haven't been shy about letting my feelings known on this, but from what we read in Life Debt.  It would also very much explain why someone (her parents maybe?) wanted to hide her for her own protection.

Oh great, now I'm going back to my SW altar to pray for Rey-Heiress-of-the-Empire

(Heh, a girl can dream)

IoJovi wrote:

nonesuch wrote:Jessica Henwick has confirmed she auditioned for Rey and got quite far along the process, which is very interesting:

Question: So about Episode VIII - do you think Rey is Luke's daughter?
Jessica: I know who I think Rey is related to but I'm not going to say because I'm pretty sure that I'm right and I don't want to be sued. Because the thing is that's the role I originally auditioned for, and so I got really far with that and I found out a lot about the character, so I'm pretty sure I know. Sorry guys, secret stays with me.

@nonesuch


Wow that is interesting.  So she's definitely not random.  Out of the Force sensitive families there's only two that are quite well known aside from Skywalker, and that's Kenobi and Palpatine.  I know there's smaller, less known ones like Dooku or Windu but I can't really see them relating her to either one of these two random dudes from the prequels.  It's gotta be something bigger.  

I do lean towards Palpatine, not out of preference as I haven't been shy about letting my feelings known on this, but from what we read in Life Debt.  It would also very much explain why someone (her parents maybe?) wanted to hide her for her own protection.

@IoJovi

Ooh, good catch! You're right--with the way she's worded that, Rey definitely doesn't sound like a "random" or like a descendant of a "new" Star Wars family that we haven't introduced to, yet. I don't know how much of a Star Wars fan Jessica is, but yeah, for her to feel pretty confident, it has to be a "big" enough family that it would be one that she's familiar with.

Episode IX:



Hey if we're going with anybody on the Imperial Side, why not Hux? Just imagine the hilarity of discovering that the girl you have a crush on is the long lost sister of your work nemesis. Not to mention having worked your way up the ranks from bastard son of a kitchen maid only to run into your trashy younger sister.

@snufkin With that, if Hux does turn out to be Rey's brother, I started asking myself if he wasn't responsible for leaving Rey on Jakku (he'd be perfectly capable of doing that imo). He's 32 in TFA (or something like that), so that would make him... 17-18-ish when Rey is 5?

Rey could be Brendol's legitimate child, so considering Hux is a bastard, it would make sense for him to get rid of Rey. (And yet another reason for Kylo to want to murder him... or if Rey goes closer to the Dark Side, it'd be a kill that'd be forgivable enough for the GA along with Plutt's...)

Irina de France wrote:@snufkin With that, if Hux does turn out to be Rey's brother, I started asking myself if he wasn't responsible for leaving Rey on Jakku (he'd be perfectly capable of doing that imo). He's 32 in TFA (or something like that), so that would make him... 17-18-ish when Rey is 5?

Rey could be Brendol's legitimate child, so considering Hux is a bastard, it would make sense for him to get rid of Rey. (And yet another reason for Kylo to want to murder him... or if Rey goes closer to the Dark Side, it'd be a kill that'd be forgivable enough for the GA along with Plutt's...)

@Irina de France

I hadn't even thought that far out, just boy that would make family get togethers hilariously awkward because he and Hux hate and want to kill each other. But they have said Hux is a striver and backstabber, so it wouldn't be out of character for him to sell off his 5 year old legit sibling to Plutt if their father had passed away & made him her guardian.

@ISeeAnIsland - I'm just being silly. Like what if this was some dumb sitcom like Friends, except in Space? It'd be the awkward Thanksgiving episode where Rey finally wants to be happy having discovered family and a new boyfriend, except that they all want to murder each other.

Irina de France wrote:@snufkin With that, if Hux does turn out to be Rey's brother, I started asking myself if he wasn't responsible for leaving Rey on Jakku (he'd be perfectly capable of doing that imo). He's 32 in TFA (or something like that), so that would make him... 17-18-ish when Rey is 5?

Rey could be Brendol's legitimate child, so considering Hux is a bastard, it would make sense for him to get rid of Rey. (And yet another reason for Kylo to want to murder him... or if Rey goes closer to the Dark Side, it'd be a kill that'd be forgivable enough for the GA along with Plutt's...)

@Irina de France

Rey Hux would be dependent on what happened to Brendol Hux in the Battle of Jakku, since supposedly he disappeared then and wasn't heard from again. So, he would have had to have been in hiding (on Jakku, I guess) for 10 years and have his wife with him or hook up with another woman, for that scenario to work out...

Hm I wonder though, because didn't Daisy say something about learning about Rey's parents *during* episode 7. She was talking to josh horowitz after MTV awards or something. If that's true, then why would someone learn so much and realize during auditions?

she didn't say she KNOWS who Rey's parents are...she just thinks she does, she's just come o her own conclusions based on what she learned about the character

rey09 wrote:Hm I wonder though, because didn't Daisy say something about learning about Rey's parents *during* episode 7. She was talking to josh horowitz after MTV awards or something. If that's true, then why would someone learn so much and realize during auditions?

@rey09

Henwick is just making an educated guess, though. And her guess may be inaccurate. But she was obviously told something about Rey that made her put two and two together and feel "pretty sure" that she knows who Rey is related to.

The question is, what kind of "something" might that be?

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

nonesuch wrote:Jessica Henwick has confirmed she auditioned for Rey and got quite far along the process, which is very interesting:

Question: So about Episode VIII - do you think Rey is Luke's daughter?
Jessica: I know who I think Rey is related to but I'm not going to say because I'm pretty sure that I'm right and I don't want to be sued. Because the thing is that's the role I originally auditioned for, and so I got really far with that and I found out a lot about the character, so I'm pretty sure I know. Sorry guys, secret stays with me.

@nonesuch


Wow that is interesting.  So she's definitely not random.  Out of the Force sensitive families there's only two that are quite well known aside from Skywalker, and that's Kenobi and Palpatine.  I know there's smaller, less known ones like Dooku or Windu but I can't really see them relating her to either one of these two random dudes from the prequels.  It's gotta be something bigger.  

I do lean towards Palpatine, not out of preference as I haven't been shy about letting my feelings known on this, but from what we read in Life Debt.  It would also very much explain why someone (her parents maybe?) wanted to hide her for her own protection.

@IoJovi

Ooh, good catch!  You're right--with the way she's worded that, Rey definitely doesn't sound like a "random" or like a descendant of a "new" Star Wars family that we haven't introduced to, yet. I don't know how much of a Star Wars fan Jessica is, but yeah, for her to feel pretty confident, it has to be a "big" enough family that it would be one that she's familiar with.

@ISeeAnIsland
I'm also leaning towards Rey being a Palpatine it would fit what Treverrow said about Rey being important to the Galaxy(I would think being the granddaughter of the Emperor would be a big deal) and there's the clue planted in Life Dent about Palpatine possibly having a family.
Btw,this is an interesting post about Rey and Gallius Rax who's kind of Palpatine's adoptive son in some ways.The similarities between them are kind of disturbing when you do pay attention to them and I don't think it's a councidence either:
http://everydayimdoingshiet.tumblr.com/post/152986668447/can-we-talk-about-rey-and-gallius-rax

Darth Dingbat wrote:

rey09 wrote:Hm I wonder though, because didn't Daisy say something about learning about Rey's parents *during* episode 7. She was talking to josh horowitz after MTV awards or something. If that's true, then why would someone learn so much and realize during auditions?

@rey09

Henwick is just making an educated guess, though. And her guess may be inaccurate. But she was obviously told something about Rey that made her put two and two together and feel "pretty sure" that she knows who Rey is related to.

The question is, what kind of "something" might that be?

@Darth Dingbat

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if other people in the cast knew who Rey's parents are/where she's from? I mean, Daisy Ridley gets asked a lot about it since she's the one playing Rey, but still, that doesn't exclude other people in the cast knowing.

Darth Dingbat wrote:

rey09 wrote:Hm I wonder though, because didn't Daisy say something about learning about Rey's parents *during* episode 7. She was talking to josh horowitz after MTV awards or something. If that's true, then why would someone learn so much and realize during auditions?

@rey09

Henwick is just making an educated guess, though. And her guess may be inaccurate. But she was obviously told something about Rey that made her put two and two together and feel "pretty sure" that she knows who Rey is related to.

The question is, what kind of "something" might that be?

@Darth Dingbat

That's what I'm wondering. Like, if Rey's character undergoes a big dramatic turn in VIII or IX, did they perhaps have the finalist actresses audition with a hypothetical scene from later in the trilogy?

Because I get the feeling from that quote from Jessica that she was at least somewhat aware of what Rey's character arc would be. I have nothing against Rey Kenobi, but I think that Rey Palpatine would have a greater impact on her character arc.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:

rey09 wrote:Hm I wonder though, because didn't Daisy say something about learning about Rey's parents *during* episode 7. She was talking to josh horowitz after MTV awards or something. If that's true, then why would someone learn so much and realize during auditions?

@rey09

Henwick is just making an educated guess, though. And her guess may be inaccurate. But she was obviously told something about Rey that made her put two and two together and feel "pretty sure" that she knows who Rey is related to.

The question is, what kind of "something" might that be?

@Darth Dingbat

That's what I'm wondering. Like, if Rey's character undergoes a big dramatic turn in VIII or IX, did they perhaps have the finalist actresses audition with a hypothetical scene from later in the trilogy?

Because I get the feeling from that quote from Jessica that she was at least somewhat aware of what Rey's character arc would be. I have nothing against Rey Kenobi, but I think that Rey Palpatine would have a greater impact on her character arc.

@ISeeAnIsland
I think it's very interesting that they might have given her a material from later in the trilogy for her audtion when it appears that they gave dialogue from another movie to actors auditoning for Kylo and Daisy got the role because she did so well in the interrogation scene.Very inetresting,indeed.
And Rey being a Palpatine would deffinatly have a huge impact on her because Palpatine's resposnible for so many things that have happened to the Galaxy:from the Clone Wars to Anakin becoming Vader to the formation of the Empire and now it's sucessor the FO.It's a very huge legacy and a burden at the same time so it would be interesting to see how people around her would react especially Kylo who rpides himself for being Vader's grandson.

She couldn't be Rey Random because her last name was hidden. It must be a name that SW fans will instantly recognized. Even if it was an esoteric one then dedicated fans could find it by diligent research or stumble upon her identity by happenstance. If it was a new family they could just tell us right away and it wouldn't make a difference because theirs no way any of the fans could discover it.

Crazy idea here, and mostly thinking out loud (er, thinking while I type)... Being a Palpatine could theoretically set up some very interesting conflicts for Rey.

• What if Palpatine and Snoke were rivals or adversaries of some kind? We could have a scenario where Rey both has "dark" origins AND where Snoke was responsible for what happened to her family. (Perhaps Snoke hunted/killed Palpatine's descendants.)
  
• I know that it's a fairly popular theory that Luke was somehow responsible for whatever happened to Rey's parents. I've tended to go with the other theory--that Snoke was responsible because Snoke being responsible sets the state for Rey and Kylo teaming up to go after Snoke in the end. But if Snoke had originally presented himself as "good" and got into the good graces of the Skywalker family, that could possibly set up something where he had access to Ben and possibly manipulated Luke to carrying out something bad against Rey's family/Palpatine descendants.
  
• What if Palpatine had wanted to destroy Snoke? You could then have a scenario where Rey wants to "finish what her (great?) grandfather started".
  

These are all probably stretches, but her being a Palpatine does open a lot of possibilities beyond Rey simply having "dark origins".

Just to bring some more bits to Rey Palpatine theory:

Do not forget how Palpatine died - and who actually killed him: Kylo Ren's grandfather with the help of Rey's master-to-be.

Darth_Awakened wrote:Just to bring some more bits to Rey Palpatine theory:

Do not forget how Palpatine died - and who actually killed him: Kylo Ren's grandfather with the help of Rey's master-to-be.

@Darth_Awakened

If Snoke was an admirer of Palpatine, that would certainly give him good reason to want (very personal) revenge on the Skywalker family.

The Palpatine theory is made stronger by the fact that Rey just happens to be left to grow up on a planet that Palpatine was heavily interested in. It's not a coincidence and in that way alone she's already connected to him.

I think there's a lot of good story potential in Rey coming from a dark lineage, and great contrast with Kylo. I also believe that based on everything set up so far, Rey's story will be coming into her own in spite of her background, not because of it.