ARCHIVE: Rey's Lineage Discussion II - 2

@BastilaBey

The whole game, in my opinion is hilarious. That scene and the interrogation

As much as I LOVE this conversation in regards to Kylo and his submissiveness, it should probably be continued here...

To keep on topic:

STUDYING SKYWALKERS: IDENTITY IN STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS, PART 2

Rey, the scavenger and burgeoning Jedi, who is equally on a quest to find a new identity for herself. Seemly stranded and alone, she waits for her family to return, and survives by finding old relics of the battle between the Rebellion and the Empire in the heart of a Super Star Destroyer. In a beautiful and poignant scene, she sits at the foot of an abandoned AT-AT. Metaphorically, the old relic symbolizes Rey’s unfamiliarity with what has come before in the galaxy, and even provides her shelter from the past, as well as the sands of Jakku. This formerly hulking brute cannot harm her, as it is from the past. Once she abandons hope of the past returning to relevance in her life, she can look to the future.

This glimpse into the future is previewed as she looks through the helmet and lens of a Rebel pilot, found near the AT-AT. She removes the helmet of the past, tosses it aside, and sees with her own eyes into the future, in the form of a newly captured BB-8. Rey adamantly seeks to free BB-8, and this prescient act ushers in an awakening of her own identity, as the two meet Finn, and destinies are forever altered. It is when she travels to the planet Takodana, however, where the metaphor is advanced in even more intriguing ways.

In a pivotal scene, Maz Kanata tells Rey, “The belonging you seek is not behind you. It is ahead.” The double meaning here is poignant: the belonging mentioned is not an item, but a sense of self. Rey’s growth is stagnant as long as she looks for belonging in the past. Once she realizes she must let go, and move forward, then her self-actualization will come a step closer to fruition.

snufkin wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:@snufkin I take it you saw this? http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/150367632145/cheesytriangle-hes-not-even-subtle-anymore-in

(relevant to lineage thread because, even though lego games are not canon, there is NO WAY LF and Disney would approve of a villain acting subby like that with his little sister/cousin)

@BastilaBey

Haha, no! But that's actual dialogue the actors recorded for the game, isn't it?

@snufkin

I like the observation on the artwork in this Meta. Rey and Kylo are both bunch together on the Dark side of the poster.
http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/147007184885/your-reylo-is-bent-extrakyloren?is_related_post=1

Darth Dementor wrote:
@snufkin

I like the observation on the artwork in this Meta. Rey and Kylo are both bunch together on the Dark side of the poster.
http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/147007184885/your-reylo-is-bent-extrakyloren?is_related_post=1

@Darth Dementor

Like I said before, everything is tea leaf reading at this point. But gotta wonder if between that and some of less crazy rumors which have come out, if it points to her spending most of her time with him, separate from the Resistance/galactic Civil War plot. Which brings up the question if they'll be in the FO. From the deleted script dialogue that got into the book and is mentioned all the time, it sounds like Snoke wasn't all "bring her to me" as in "I would like to meet this delightful young woman from Jakku my young apprentice is so taken with." More like she wouldn't have survived that meeting and likely been the Blood Oath test that ended up happening to Han.

Could also mean DS origins. Although after reading Bloodline, one of the conclusions I came to was how badly Leia needed to be in therapy, in part to resolve all of the emotions she was repressing about being the biological child of the public face of the DS (not to mention all the s***y things said biodad did to her & her loved ones). Also that probably part of the reason why she'd packed Ben off to Luke had to do with repressing these emotions. So to me personally, I was like "this is a whole book about coming to terms with a very ugly side to your family history when you think of yourself as a good person" (maybe I can relate to that, being from a Southern family where issues like the Confederacy and Jim Crow are pretty emotionally fraught). Anyways, that was my personal take on Bloodline, so it sort of diminished the idea for me that there could be an interesting story about Rey having DS origins. But like I said, that's my own personal take and we certainly don't know enough yet to conclude where the source of her powers comes from.

snufkin wrote:

Darth Dementor wrote:
@snufkin

I like the observation on the artwork in this Meta. Rey and Kylo are both bunch together on the Dark side of the poster.
http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/147007184885/your-reylo-is-bent-extrakyloren?is_related_post=1

@Darth Dementor

Like I said before, everything is tea leaf reading at this point. But gotta wonder if between that and some of less crazy rumors which have come out, if it points to her spending most of her time with him, separate from the Resistance/galactic Civil War plot. Which brings up the question if they'll be in the FO. From the deleted script dialogue that got into the book and is mentioned all the time, it sounds like Snoke wasn't all "bring her to me" as in "I would like to meet this delightful young woman from Jakku my young apprentice is so taken with." More like she wouldn't have survived that meeting and likely been the Blood Oath test that ended up happening to Han.

Could also mean DS origins. Although after reading Bloodline, one of the conclusions I came to was how badly Leia needed to be in therapy, in part to resolve all of the emotions she was repressing about being the biological child of the public face of the DS (not to mention all the s***y things said biodad did to her & her loved ones). Also that probably part of the reason why she'd packed Ben off to Luke had to do with repressing these emotions. So to me personally, I was like "this is a whole book about coming to terms with a very ugly side to your family history when you think of yourself as a good person" (maybe I can relate to that, being from a Southern family where issues like the Confederacy and Jim Crow are pretty emotionally fraught). Anyways, that was my personal take on Bloodline, so it sort of diminished the idea for me that there could be an interesting story about Rey having DS origins. But like I said, that's my own personal take and we certainly don't know enough yet to conclude where the source of her powers comes from.

@snufkin

Read Life Debt next, and you'll be shifted the other way into thinking that there's something fishy/dark about Jakku and make the inference that it has something to do with Rey's origins/story.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

snufkin wrote:

Darth Dementor wrote:
@snufkin

I like the observation on the artwork in this Meta.  Rey and Kylo are both bunch together on the Dark side of the poster.
http://smugglerben.tumblr.com/post/147007184885/your-reylo-is-bent-extrakyloren?is_related_post=1

@Darth Dementor

Like I said before, everything is tea leaf reading at this point. But gotta wonder if between that and some of less crazy rumors which have come out, if it points to her spending most of her time with him, separate from the Resistance/galactic Civil War plot.  Which brings up the question if they'll be in the FO. From the deleted script dialogue that got into the book and is mentioned all the time, it sounds like Snoke wasn't all "bring her to me" as in "I would like to meet this delightful young woman from Jakku my young apprentice is so taken with." More like she wouldn't have survived that meeting and likely been the Blood Oath test that ended up happening to Han.

Could also mean DS origins. Although after reading Bloodline, one of the conclusions I came to was how badly Leia needed to be in therapy, in part to resolve all of the emotions she was repressing about being the biological child of the public face of the DS (not to mention all the s***y things said biodad did to her & her loved ones). Also that probably part of the reason why she'd packed Ben off to Luke had to do with repressing these emotions. So to me personally, I was like "this is a whole book about coming to terms with a very ugly side to your family history when you think of yourself as a good person" (maybe I can relate to that, being from a Southern family where issues like the Confederacy and Jim Crow are pretty emotionally fraught). Anyways, that was my personal take on Bloodline, so it sort of diminished the idea for me that there could be an interesting story about Rey having DS origins. But like I said, that's my own personal take and we certainly don't know enough yet to conclude where the source of her powers comes from.

@snufkin

Read Life Debt next, and you'll be shifted the other way into thinking that there's something fishy/dark about Jakku and make the inference that it has something to do with Rey's origins/story.

@ISeeAnIsland

I'm far too lazy at the moment to read, so I'll just read all of the reviews and opinions on here ; ). It does sound like something is being given a backstory in those books so that if some point in the next movie, there will some kind of reference to the Battle of Jakku and whatever Imperial weirdness happened there. I did make an earlier crack about how it was being set up as an Area 51 type location.

Read Life Debt next, and you'll be shifted the other way into thinking that there's something fishy/dark about Jakku and make the inference that it has something to do with Rey's origins/story. [/quote]
@ISeeAnIsland

It seems an awfully huge coincidence Rey was on the exact same planet as Lor San Tekka.

Kaleyna wrote:Read Life Debt next, and you'll be shifted the other way into thinking that there's something fishy/dark about Jakku and make the inference that it has something to do with Rey's origins/story.

@ISeeAnIsland

It seems an awfully huge coincidence Rey was on the exact same planet as Lor San Tekka.[/quote]

@Kaleyna

That was my initial takeaway from the "What Girl?!" and "Girl I've hear so much about" lines. That he was completely paranoid thanks to the news of this 2nd person on the group who enabled both the droid and Finn's escape. When I first saw TFA, my thought was that he thought she was either an escapee from LST's village (e.g. a lone survivor when he ordered all of them wiped out) or had been there with Poe and escaped. Not so much proof that it was more than a coincidence, but enough to make him paranoid and angry enough to make finding her his personal mission (and then being shocked once he realized that she's just a concerned citizen).

Something odd about Jakku. Surprised there's no thread about it yet?

I mean, there must be something there because the falcon and rey lay there undiscovered for years.

I have guesses as to what it is but it's off topic.

It wouldn't be off topic if it points to Rey's lineage, which I believe wholeheartedly that it does. How, I don't know, but I think there's a direct correlation between Rey being dropped off on Jakku and the fact that Jakku seems to be a burial site for darkside artifacts. At the point, Rey's lineage entirely screams dark side origins. Even in the beginning of the movie, Rey is seen coming out of a darkly lit Star Destroyer into the bright Jakku sun (in contrast to Kylo, who's introduced in the opposite fashion).

Whether that's Palps or someone we haven't met yet is anyone's guess.

http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/star-wars-reys-parents

Well, this article seems to sum up how the general fandom sees this pretty well. :/

jakkusun wrote:http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/star-wars-reys-parents

Well, this article seems to sum up how the general fandom sees this pretty well. :/

@jakkusun

I skimmed it, but stopped altogether when I read the authors foot notes that began with this:

"Personally? I’m hoping that she’s Luke’s daughter." Followed by this gem:

"Rey’s story, then, is at risk of orbiting Kylo’s and being in service to his destiny."

I think we all know what this author is truly afraid of...

jakkusun wrote:http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/star-wars-reys-parents

Well, this article seems to sum up how the general fandom sees this pretty well. :/

@jakkusun

Man, I could tell the article writer was a Reywalker before I reached the part where she/he straight-up says so. Basically, the writer considers the other theories to be "reaching" while Rey Skywalker alone "makes sense". Nevermind the mountains of evidence that show otherwise.

Think it might be time to bump our "Rey's Parents Weren't in Episode 7" celebration thread.

Not only would that be a shame because Rey is such a great heroine for this new generation of Star Wars films, but also because it would diminish the first woman to be the central character in the Star Wars storyline.

This kind of comment really bothers me. The people creating this story clearly love Rey. She is a product of their hard work and creativity. There is no way her role is going to be diminished, when she is the main character. That was an intentional decision and will be true no matter what her last name ends up being.

WhatGirl wrote:

jakkusun wrote:http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/star-wars-reys-parents

Well, this article seems to sum up how the general fandom sees this pretty well. :/

@jakkusun

Man, I could tell the article writer was a Reywalker before I reached the part where she/he straight-up says so. Basically, the writer considers the other theories to be "reaching" while Rey Skywalker alone "makes sense". Nevermind the mountains of evidence that show otherwise.

Think it might be time to bump our "Rey's Parents Weren't in Episode 7" celebration thread.

@WhatGirl

I really wonder about this comment:

I have some ideas (including a theory that was, unfortunately, debunked by the great new novel Bloodline by Claudia Gray)

Like, what parentage theory was that? I was pretty sure Bloodline essentially debunked Reywalker. XD

BastilaBey wrote:

Not only would that be a shame because Rey is such a great heroine for this new generation of Star Wars films, but also because it would diminish the first woman to be the central character in the Star Wars storyline.

This kind of comment really bothers me. The people creating this story clearly love Rey. She is a product of their hard work and creativity. There is no way her role is going to be diminished, when she is the main character. That was an intentional decision and will be true no matter what her last name ends up being.

@BastilaBey

I wonder if these people will ever realize that thinking Rey would be lesser for not being a Skywalker is a problem with their perspective and not with the Trilogy's potential writing.

BastilaBey wrote:

Not only would that be a shame because Rey is such a great heroine for this new generation of Star Wars films, but also because it would diminish the first woman to be the central character in the Star Wars storyline.

This kind of comment really bothers me. The people creating this story clearly love Rey. She is a product of their hard work and creativity. There is no way her role is going to be diminished, when she is the main character. That was an intentional decision and will be true no matter what her last name ends up being.

Yeah exhibit A of my thought that for a lot of male fans, they have a hard time perceiving that a female heroine is a different type of narrative all together. And the "if she isn't a Skywalker, that diminishes her" fits nicely in the suspicion that a lot of fans who "love" Rey are basing that love on shoehorning her into the status quo.

jakkusun wrote:

WhatGirl wrote:

jakkusun wrote:http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/star-wars-reys-parents

Well, this article seems to sum up how the general fandom sees this pretty well. :/

@jakkusun

Man, I could tell the article writer was a Reywalker before I reached the part where she/he straight-up says so. Basically, the writer considers the other theories to be "reaching" while Rey Skywalker alone "makes sense". Nevermind the mountains of evidence that show otherwise.

Think it might be time to bump our "Rey's Parents Weren't in Episode 7" celebration thread.

@WhatGirl

I really wonder about this comment:

I have some ideas (including a theory that was, unfortunately, debunked by the great new novel Bloodline by Claudia Gray)

Like, what parentage theory was that? I was pretty sure Bloodline essentially debunked Reywalker. XD

@jakkusun

My first guess was Rey Solo. You know, because that's how siblings are supposed to look at each other...

IoJovi wrote:

jakkusun wrote:

WhatGirl wrote:

jakkusun wrote:http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/star-wars-reys-parents

Well, this article seems to sum up how the general fandom sees this pretty well. :/

@jakkusun

Man, I could tell the article writer was a Reywalker before I reached the part where she/he straight-up says so. Basically, the writer considers the other theories to be "reaching" while Rey Skywalker alone "makes sense". Nevermind the mountains of evidence that show otherwise.

Think it might be time to bump our "Rey's Parents Weren't in Episode 7" celebration thread.

@WhatGirl

I really wonder about this comment:

I have some ideas (including a theory that was, unfortunately, debunked by the great new novel Bloodline by Claudia Gray)

Like, what parentage theory was that? I was pretty sure Bloodline essentially debunked Reywalker. XD

@jakkusun

My first guess was Rey Solo. You know, because that's how siblings are supposed to look at each other...

@IoJovi

Oh my gosh of course. I think you must be right. That theory is so dead I forgot it even existed. The movie itself debunked it, so I assumed we didn't need Bloodline for that one. Oh.

My first guess was Rey Solo. You know, because that's how siblings are supposed to look at each other...[/quote]
@IoJovi

Of course Luke was pretty darn enamored of Leia at first (seeing her hologram is pretty much why he started down his path to the Resistance) and she even gave him a kiss so.... Heh. That said, if Kylo and Rey are related, there will be hell to pay.

While I still need more evidence to subscribe to this possibility, the canon game Star Wars: Uprising has a force sensitive character named the Smuggler who is the right age to be Rey's parent. This person would be in the same age group as Luke and Leia, and was a rebel supporter.

While a player can choose between various species while playing the smuggler, the promotional material describes the smuggler as a fair skinned human (could be male or female).

male player option and female player option

The smuggler has a younger sister Riley and was trained by Mentor Xiath, who belonged to a ruling family from the Anoat sector and was part of an ancient order of Force users. The Anoat Sector is part of the outer rim (including Bespin) and includes many royal houses, secret societies  and force cults. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anoat_sector)
Mentor Xiath taught his acolytes in an old palace on the planet Hosra. Now here is the interesting part- Lor San Tekka visited Hosra.

panki wrote:While I still need more evidence to subscribe to this possibility, the canon game Star Wars: Uprising has a force sensitive character named the Smuggler who is the right age to be Rey's parent. This person would be in the same age group as Luke and Leia, and was a rebel supporter.

While a player can choose between various species while playing the smuggler, the promotional material describes the smuggler as a fair skinned human (could be male or female).

male player option and female player option

The smuggler has a younger sister Riley and was trained by Mentor Xiath, who belonged to a ruling family from the Anoat sector and was part of an ancient order of Force users. The Anoat Sector is part of the outer rim (including Bespin) and includes many royal houses, secret societies  and force cults. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anoat_sector)
Mentor Xiath taught his acolytes in an old palace on the planet Hosra. Now here is the interesting part- Lor San Tekka visited Hosra.

@panki

That was one of the thoughts I had after seeing TFA about Rey's background, her family might've traveled in the same smuggling circles as Han back in the day. Hence that's why she knows him by that reputation. I would love to see something that ties her in with something ancient/hidden in terms of the Force and being the key herself. Because they make this big deal in TFA of Poe handing off the map to BB-8 and it ends up she's captured/chased because it's in her mind. So I've wondered if the same thing happened with her abandonment, some kind of secret or hidden knowledge that the true Big Bad is after was mentally passed to her by her parents in the same manner as Poe and BB-8's scene.

Jason Ward just posted that funny video about what if Rey is a Skywalker and clearly agrees with the points made. Reywalker just doesn't add up without making Luke look awful.

http://makingstarwars.net/2016/09/video-if-rey-is-a-skywalker-in-the-star-wars-sequel-trilogy/