ARCHIVE: Rey's Lineage Discussion II - 2

I just want to add I love the turn this thread has taken!!!

Now that the topic of Rey finding out something about her parents in VIII has been floated, how could it happen? Hopefully it's not weirdo space hobo Luke going on on some tangent with her about how he stopped get laid once he became a Jedi - although that would finally put to rest all of the Rey Skywalker theories.

Also the lack of a last name has occurred to me as a possible plot convenience beyond just being descended from a legacy family. Like being told to stay put on Jakku, if she doesn't remember her last name, it also makes it hard for her to track down her family. More incentive to stay put on Jakku and hope they come back.

I just can't shake the feeling that Luke knows something about her that he'll be attempting to hide. I get the impression that they'll have some tension between them in VIII and it won't just be about training difficulties.

I don't think he's her father (obviously) or that he killed her parents like some people theorize (it's very un-Luke to do that and leave her in some hellhole) but...something.

snufkin wrote:Now that the topic of Rey finding out something about her parents in VIII has been floated, how could it happen? Hopefully it's not weirdo space hobo Luke going on on some tangent with her about how he stopped get laid once he became a Jedi - although that would finally put to rest all of the Rey Skywalker theories.

Also the lack of a last name has occurred to me as a possible plot convenience beyond just being descended from a legacy family. Like being told to stay put on Jakku, if she doesn't remember her last name, it also makes it hard for her to track down her family. More incentive to stay put on Jakku and hope they come back.

@snufkin

Yeah, if Rey spends most of VIII on Ahch-To as expected, I only see a few possibilities for her learning about her parentage. (I also tend to be in the camp where we might get some surface facts in VIII but won't get the whole store until IX, but we'll see). Anyway, these are options that I see:

• Luke knows who her parents were and tells her. This would point to them either being in his weird Jedi church circle, or for them to be well-known enough dark siders (Palpatine descendants?) that Luke was aware of them. I think this scenario also increases the likelihood that Luke had some involvement at some level in what happened to them.
  
• Snoke knows who she is, tells Kylo, and Kylo drops a truth bomb on Rey while on Ahch-To. (I think this is the scenario that most of the GA seems to be expecting.)
  
• Rey ends up on her way to Snoke at the end (either voluntarily or is captured); Snoke tells her about her parents. Perhaps this is a big enough twist that it becomes the cliffhanger for VIII.
  
• If VIII is as trippy and as vision/flashback-filled as some are expecting, maybe she has a vision that fills in some of the blanks about her past. (IMO, this is probably narratively the least satisfying way to tell this part of the story, but we'll see what they do with it.)
  

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

snufkin wrote:Now that the topic of Rey finding out something about her parents in VIII has been floated, how could it happen? Hopefully it's not weirdo space hobo Luke going on on some tangent with her about how he stopped get laid once he became a Jedi - although that would finally put to rest all of the Rey Skywalker theories.

Also the lack of a last name has occurred to me as a possible plot convenience beyond just being descended from a legacy family. Like being told to stay put on Jakku, if she doesn't remember her last name, it also makes it hard for her to track down her family. More incentive to stay put on Jakku and hope they come back.

@snufkin

Yeah, if Rey spends most of VIII on Ahch-To as expected, I only see a few possibilities for her learning about her parentage. (I also tend to be in the camp where we might get some surface facts in VIII but won't get the whole store until IX, but we'll see). Anyway, these are options that I see:

• Luke knows who her parents were and tells her. This would point to them either being in his weird Jedi church circle, or for them to be well-known enough dark siders (Palpatine descendants?) that Luke was aware of them. I think this scenario also increases the likelihood that Luke had some involvement at some level in what happened to them.
  
• Snoke knows who she is, tells Kylo, and Kylo drops a truth bomb on Rey while on Ahch-To. (I think this is the scenario that most of the GA seems to be expecting.)
  
• Rey ends up on her way to Snoke at the end (either voluntarily or is captured); Snoke tells her about her parents. Perhaps this is a big enough twist that it becomes the cliffhanger for VIII.
  
• If VIII is as trippy and as vision/flashback-filled as some are expecting, maybe she has a vision that fills in some of the blanks about her past. (IMO, this is probably narratively the least satisfying way to tell this part of the story, but we'll see what they do with it.)
  

@ISeeAnIsland

If Luke knows anything, we'll see how forthcoming he is with Rey. Because part of the problem with Ben is that Leia put off telling him the truth (LST's words that got him killed) because she hadn't been able to come to terms with it herself.  So it'll depend on whether or not Luke's learned his lesson and doesn't make that mistake again with Rey. The Snoke option, it couldn't be the straight up truth, it'd have to be in lying/stretching the truth to manipulate the situation. Especially because he has Ben convinced that Vader's "failure" was in protecting his son, hence the order to kill Han.  Actually that brings up another question, will they bother to fill in the blanks of how Snoke and Leia knew each other and he was able to get access to Ben?

ETA - it's feasible that either Snoke or Ben could lie to her in VIII just to try and sway her over to their respective agendas. She's going to be vulnerable thanks to Maz dropping the bomb on her. Snoke would just see her as another strong FS user to take advantage of for his ends and Ben would likely still be enough of a selfish jerk to lie to her in another gambit to get her on his team.

Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right? Can't wait! I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?

Sounds enticing!

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right? Can't wait! I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right? Can't wait! I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, I'm guessing we might get some hints about what Rax was doing on Jakku, and if it has anything to do with force sensitives and people, then maybe we can make some sort of connection to Rey? Because I think we can be sure that Rey never left Jakku in her life, she wasn't just dumped there, she was 'abandoned'.

Mana wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right? Can't wait! I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, I'm guessing we might get some hints about what Rax was doing on Jakku, and if it has anything to do with force sensitives and people, then maybe we can make some sort of connection to Rey? Because I think we can be sure that Rey never left Jakku in her life, she wasn't just dumped there, she was 'abandoned'.

@Mana

Interestingly Palpatine's family background was covered in the novel Darth Plaguies(the author James Luceno has also written the canon novel Catalyst) and there Palpatine's had at least four siblings who he murdered along with his parents:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_family
However this is no longer part of the canon so LF group might decide to go I. A different direction with his family.

CienaRee wrote:

Mana wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right? Can't wait! I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, I'm guessing we might get some hints about what Rax was doing on Jakku, and if it has anything to do with force sensitives and people, then maybe we can make some sort of connection to Rey? Because I think we can be sure that Rey never left Jakku in her life, she wasn't just dumped there, she was 'abandoned'.

@Mana

Interestingly Palpatine's family background was covered in the novel Darth Plaguies(the author James Luceno has also written the canon novel Catalyst) and there Palpatine's had at least four siblings who he murdered along with his parents:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_family
However this is no longer part of the canon so LF group might decide to go I. A different direction with his family.

@CienaRee

The way I see it, there HAS to be a connection between Rey being on Jakku, the battle of Jakku and the fact that Palpatine was conducting secret operations there.

Mana wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

Mana wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right? Can't wait! I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, I'm guessing we might get some hints about what Rax was doing on Jakku, and if it has anything to do with force sensitives and people, then maybe we can make some sort of connection to Rey? Because I think we can be sure that Rey never left Jakku in her life, she wasn't just dumped there, she was 'abandoned'.

@Mana

Interestingly Palpatine's family background was covered in the novel Darth Plaguies(the author James Luceno has also written the canon novel Catalyst) and there Palpatine's had at least four siblings who he murdered along with his parents:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_family
However this is no longer part of the canon so LF group might decide to go I. A different direction with his family.

@CienaRee

The way I see it, there HAS to be a connection between Rey being on Jakku, the battle of Jakku and the fact that Palpatine was conducting secret operations there.

@Mana

Mana wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

Mana wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right? Can't wait! I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, I'm guessing we might get some hints about what Rax was doing on Jakku, and if it has anything to do with force sensitives and people, then maybe we can make some sort of connection to Rey? Because I think we can be sure that Rey never left Jakku in her life, she wasn't just dumped there, she was 'abandoned'.

@Mana

Interestingly Palpatine's family background was covered in the novel Darth Plaguies(the author James Luceno has also written the canon novel Catalyst) and there Palpatine's had at least four siblings who he murdered along with his parents:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_family
However this is no longer part of the canon so LF group might decide to go I. A different direction with his family.

@CienaRee

The way I see it, there HAS to be a connection between Rey being on Jakku, the battle of Jakku and the fact that Palpatine was conducting secret operations there.

@Mana

I agree there should defiantly be a connection between all three otherwise Rey wouldn't real feel connected to the overall plot.
I also wouldn't be surprised if what Luke and Ben were searching for was the thing Palpatine's was hiding in Jakku(if that wasn't Snoke),

Yes, definitely want Jakku to be really huge. It just can't be a coincidence that not only Rey is living there for years, it's where Finn has his awakening, the MF is hanging out there for the two of them to conveniently hop on, and that the Church of the Force people are hanging out there too. Come on that's wayy too perfect.

I'm wondering now if there is any relationship between Ach-to and Jakku. Ach-to seems like a big deal, but I also want Jakku to be significant again by ep 9.
We presumably know Ach-to was where the first jedi temple resided for whatever reason. I was reading somewhere someone's theory on Palpatine liking Jakku because of sensing some dark force power. What if Jakku was where the original sith temple was...? Ach-to is a water planet, Jakku desert so the yin yang works there too. I think it'd be cool if they did some inter-planetary force field or something.

If they're filming IX in 65 mm, that means the type of vistas shown in VII, Jakku. Especially because that was a callback (as was IV) to Lawrence of Arabia/David Lean.

Mana wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

Mana wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right?  Can't wait!  I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?  

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, I'm guessing we might get some hints about what Rax was doing on Jakku, and if it has anything to do with force sensitives and people, then maybe we can make some sort of connection to Rey? Because I think we can be sure that Rey never left Jakku in her life, she wasn't just dumped there, she was 'abandoned'.

@Mana

Interestingly Palpatine's family background was covered in the novel Darth Plaguies(the author James Luceno has also written the canon novel Catalyst) and there Palpatine's had at least four siblings who he murdered along with his parents:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_family
However this is no longer part of the canon so LF group might decide to go I. A different direction with his family.

@CienaRee

The way I see it, there HAS to be a connection between Rey being on Jakku, the battle of Jakku and the fact that Palpatine was conducting secret operations there.

@Mana

Most definitely. It will probably all come back to Jakku somehow.

Doesn't the next Aftermath novel occur during the time that the battle of Jakku takes place? If so, I think we'll definitely get some more puzzles pieces to play with, but we won't know how they all fit until Episodes VIII and IX.

I'm still holding on to the possibility that Leia gives birth to Ben in this last Aftermath novel and maybe it happens on Jakku during the battle there (since she's in the Rebellion). Doesn't the battle take place several months, but less than a year, after the end of ROTJ? That might explain why Kylo's age is given as 29-30 (which is an odd way to account for his age) because he was born less than a year after ROTJ...which takes place 30 years before TFA.

Kessel89 wrote:

Mana wrote:

CienaRee wrote:

Mana wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mana wrote:Didn't Chuck Wending say at the last Star Wars celebration that reading the next Aftermath novel would make people want to go back and watch TFA again?

We might definitely want to go back to Jakku for that one!

@Mana

Ooo that comes out in February, right?  Can't wait!  I'm wondering if that will have something to do with the back drop, like say, the decrepit Star Destroyer decaying in the sand?  

Sounds enticing!

@IoJovi

I do remember him saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the crashed star destroyer Rax's ship? And Rey's AT-AT was on the back cover art that's been released.

I wonder if Wendig's comments refer simply to callback things like that, or if there are more "hints" (i.e. anything about what Palpatine was looking for or possible allusions to Snoke) than that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, I'm guessing we might get some hints about what Rax was doing on Jakku, and if it has anything to do with force sensitives and people, then maybe we can make some sort of connection to Rey? Because I think we can be sure that Rey never left Jakku in her life, she wasn't just dumped there, she was 'abandoned'.

@Mana

Interestingly Palpatine's family background was covered in the novel Darth Plaguies(the author James Luceno has also written the canon novel Catalyst) and there Palpatine's had at least four siblings who he murdered along with his parents:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_family
However this is no longer part of the canon so LF group might decide to go I. A different direction with his family.

@CienaRee

The way I see it, there HAS to be a connection between Rey being on Jakku, the battle of Jakku and the fact that Palpatine was conducting secret operations there.

@Mana

Most definitely. It will probably all come back to Jakku somehow.

Doesn't the next Aftermath novel occur during the time that the battle of Jakku takes place? If so, I think we'll definitely get some more puzzles pieces to play with, but we won't know how they all fit until Episodes VIII and IX.

I'm still holding on to the possibility that Leia gives birth to Ben in this last Aftermath novel and maybe it happens on Jakku during the battle there (since she's in the Rebellion). Doesn't the battle take place several months, but less than a year, after the end of ROTJ? That might explain why Kylo's age is given as 29-30 (which is an odd way to account for his age) because he was born less than a year after ROTJ...which takes place 30 years before TFA.

@Kessel89

Yup. The last Aftermath novel is supposed to cover the Battle of Jakku. Life Debt ended with basically everyone heading toward Jakku and Leia in a very pregnant state. I almost expect that she'll give birth either there or on a ship orbiting the planet during the battle or something like that.

@ISeeAnIsland

Knowing Leia's dedication to the rebellion she'll probably be in the thick of the battle and probably give birth to Ben in that fallen walker which Rey makes her home.

I think that of all related theories Palpatine is the most interesting possibility, for sure.

As for how Rey finds out about what happened to her family, just a thought but maybe it's actually Finn who finds out something or hears something that could be a trail? Since he's the character who is probably going to have greater mobility and wider pool of people to interact with.

I believe that both Kylo and Luke know a lot about Rey's origins ... what she is, and who she is ... but I believe that only Kylo will tell her the whole truth, and so we will have a plot twist, if the Spoilers are correct Luke will blow up a cabin, and I believe it may be at this moment of revelations. Rey will feel betrayed and unsure whom to trust fully.

I've posted this elsewhere but I think it is relevant here as well..... in an episode of Rebels (a couple of weeks back), Ezra was captured and asked to identify himself.... he said he was just a scavenger looking for mechanical parts.....for two season, Ezra would identify himself to Imperials and people he didn't trust as Jabba....and he was listed as Jabba on imperial records for some time.....reading this with DR's instagram image where she calls herself Jabba's daughter does give fodder for speculation.....especially considering Ezra's solitary childhood, being so force strong and his ability to open both a jedi and sith holocron (a balance of light and dark).

I think Rey's backstory definitely has to do with Snoke, the FO, and whatever weird s*** the Empire has been up to on Jakku. Beyond that, as with the Kenobi theory, tying her to any other legacy character could be in danger of some really convoluted storytelling. Working out the details of her character and story to fit a "that would be cool" concept rather than allowing her to be her own character and telling a new story. But that's just my own personal take. Like I've said, it seems most plausible to me that her parents got into the middle of something bad and were killed as a result, with her falling through the cracks.

I don't know if anybody else has read about the Australian film Lion, which is about an international adoptee who tracks down his family. It's based on a memoir, the author was born in India, through a mishap when he was 4-5 years old was separated and lost from his family, had to survive on the streets and avoid adults who'd harm/exploit him, and ended up in orphanage where he was adopted/raised by an Australian couple. Some of the details mentioned in the reviews I've seen are about the issues many adoptees face, which made me think it could be some of the emotional turmoil Rey will likely have to go through:

* After he was lost and living on the streets, he had to survive as a small and vulnerable child. One of the biggest dangers he faced was being vulnerable to getting preyed upon/taken advantage of by adults. A Disney movie isn't going to get into the ugly realities of what street kids face, but the one scene in the Forceback of Rey as a small child being dragged away by Plutt.

* Part of the story mentioned in the reviews was about how as an adult, trying to come to terms with the trauma of what happened as a child. Including putting up a strong/competent front in ones new life and how far that can go before the cracks start to show. We know that Rey coped with life on Jakku by focusing on day to day survival and believing that her family is coming back for her, giving her the belonging she's craved. Once Maz forces her to admit that she's been in denial about her family, there's nothing to shield her against the impact of what happened to her.

* Reviews also mentioned this individual seeing himself as  a Lost Child versus being Abandoned One. Which is something friends who've been adopted have mentioned (how they feel about their birth parents giving them up), but that could be Rey's mindset up until the talk with Maz. She's seen herself as Lost and now she finally has to face the possibility of being Abandoned. It also sets her up as a foil to Kylo with the contrast of being Lost (how she sees herself) versus Abandoned (how he sees himself).

I see Rey's parents associated with FO, and I imagine that someone who has the courage to leave his own daughter under the care of Unkar Plutt, or had no idea what he was doing or knew Unkar well (there are theories about it, but I do not I'm very sorry for the lack of evidence), but in the end, it would be more visually interesting and romantically speaking that it came from sombre origins, which would form a contrast with Kylo who has origins in the light.

So I saw it get mentioned elsewhere that the only person in Rey's vision who directly speaks to her (and calls her by name) is Obi-Wan. I found this really interesting and hadn't caught it before. But it seems to be true. The other lines that get spoken during the vision could apply to any Force user, but it's Obi-Wan who addresses her specifically. It makes me wonder, even if he isn't her (grand)father, if he's relevant to her past somehow.

Edited... whoops, I meant grandfather.

@Whatgirl there's no way he could be her father as she was born long after his death, but there's a few ways she could end up being his descendant. Still, Yoda and Palpatine both are also heard in that vision, but you're right, none of them address her by her first name.

IoJovi wrote:@Whatgirl there's no way he could be her father as she was born long after his death, but there's a few ways she could end up being his descendant. Still, Yoda and Palpatine both are also heard in that vision, but you're right, none of them address her by her first name.

@IoJovi

When you're talking about actual surprises in TFA, that's why the reveal of Ben as his birth name was the big surprise/twist for me. Because I immediately knew who he'd been named after and then flashed back to how it was only those two men who interact with her in the vision. Including how the Older Ben is the one who speaks directly to her. Ewan McGregor had a quote that it was meant to be him speaking to her from across the Force. Which at least means that he is trying to reach her directly and has some kind of guiding hand in what's she's shown (even if it's "keep an eye out for my namesake, he's kind of a hot mess.")