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So that is a parallel between Rey & Ben/Obi they mind tricked stormtroopers

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Gemini wrote:

I picked up the 2017 Star Wars annual early, and it has some interesting bits with potential ramifications for Rey's lineage/background/destiny:

- "I don't know why, but there's something about lightsabers that makes me uneasy."
- "We know that Rey is awaiting the return of her family, but who are they? And with her Force powers self-evident, what is her connection to the Jedi Order and Luke Skywalker in particular?"
- "We are led to believe that Luke is the last surviving Jedi. But with Rey showing incredible Force skills, is she ready to become a Jedi herself?"

@nonesuch

Awesome, thanks for that. Implies her family is important, implies links with the Jedi order, implies link with saber and with Luke, l(or all 3 together)

Good find

@Gemini

Maybe someone killed someone in her family with a Light Saber

@spacebaby45678

It just occurred to me, lightsabers making Rey uneasy might be a callback to Satine Kyrze, she hated weapons

I think it's interesting how they are handing an actual known random lead character.

Jyn and Rey's starting points appear to be so similar yet so different.

Jyn is a random, and they have inserted her father into the movie and her childhood story.


Rey does not get this, she is given mysterious past. Something is being held back for a twist.

Director of episode 9 actually said this part? I don't remember that being said!

"“We’re going to make sure that that answer is deeply and profoundly satisfying […] Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens, but in the entire galaxy. She deserves it. We’ll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was something that happened a long time ago, far away, and we’re just telling you what happened.
[…] What’s interesting is I’m not creating a host of new characters. I have a lot of characters that people really love that we’re going to make sure are all honored. No one’s going to be left behind."


Sorry this doesn't scream random to me

Can't really get more direct than that, straight from the horses mouth.

He's not creating a host of new characters and is making sure the most loved ones from Star Wars don't get left behind and are honoured. And this was in answer to who rey is.

You know that it is interesting to go back and read interviews and articles months and sometimes years after the fact, you can glean new revelations from them as time passes, noticing things you never noticed before. Here is an interview with Ian Mccaig from this past summer, tons of good info... side note: Ian and Doug Chiang, did most of the Kenobi concept art and much of the concept art for PT... What is interesting, GL does not see Jedi as celibate, also, there is an internal ban on PT "things/characters" could this be the reason we don't see Hayden/Anakin in the Star Wars annual? This supports that there are guidelines for toys and publications, a definite marketing strategy at work behind the scenes.Most importantly elements of GL's pitch and script remain gospel at LF.... and it is easy to see why, in order to keep the order of Ring Comp, you would have to stick with some of GL's ideas.


"At a recent Art and Industry of Imagination conference in New Zealand, concept artist Iain McCaig spoke about what it was like to make concept art for The Force Awakens. One of our readers (E.R. Cina) has told us about the details he mentioned about the pre-production of The Force Awakens – and he strongly implies a very important story development regarding Luke Skywalker and another character in Episode VIII.



The conference that Iain McCaig attended happened weeks ago, but nobody seems to have reported on it, so I’ll take the liberty of doing just that. Without any further ado, here’s what McCaig told the audience according to our source:

Lucas initially wanted nothing to do with VII, but in a short while after pre-production began, he decided he wanted to submit a script. He brought in Ian and another prequel artist (possibly Doug Chiang, I missed the name) to the Ranch to help him realize his concepts. The script was rejected outright, as a result of…

Disney’s banishment of anything mildly prequel-related. Usage of prequel-only characters, environments etc were banned, as to not incur the fan base’s wrath.

Disney execs were reluctant to include non-Caucasian characters. The new trio were all initially all Caucasian, but it was JJ’s favoring of Boyega that brought about VII’s multi-cultured character set.

A number of initial script ideas teased Anakin/Vader’s force ghost’s involvement, and Ian presented an idea so titillating (even to prequel-haters) along these lines that he had the audience clapping.

Lawrence Kasdan actually wrote the script for Han Solo before he began work on VII, and that it is (paraphrasing) ‘By far the best Star Wars script, and one of the best scripts period, that I have ever read. I laughed, I cried, I did all the things you should do when reading a good script. You’re in for a treat.’

After being questioned by an audience member, he responded that he was unable to confirm nor deny if Lucas’ script had any influence or effect on the Arndt/Kasdan/Abrams script – but strongly implied to the positive.
Iain’s take on the Han Solo script seems to be pretty reassuring, considering that a lot of fans are on the fence about that project. Other than that, let’s analyze each point with what we know about the movie’s pre-production.

George Lucas infamously said that Disney didn’t use his ideas when asked about The Force Awakens. However, we know the truth to be a bit more complicated – as Pablo Hidalgo will tell you on Twitter, Lucas’s many ideas for the Star Wars franchise as a whole were treated as the Gospel for the Galaxy Far, Far Away, and that includes elements from the pitch he had about Episode VII. But knowing that Lucas penned a script early into production does provide helpful context in saying exactly what it was that got rejected, and it’s very likely that Michael Arndt used it for part of his unfinished treatments on the film.

It’s also interesting that Disney internally had an embargo on Prequel Trilogy content for the film, considering that they’ve greatly increased their output on works drawing influence from the movies or The Clone Wars since the movie had finished filming. While The Force Awakens has been criticized for using a lot of familiar elements from the Original Trilogy, it’s very likely that Lucasfilm drew from that well because it was what worked back in the late Seventies and early Eighties, while fans are still divided over the Prequel Trilogy.

Lastly, it’s worth talking about the controversial-sounding Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader apparition that had been planned to appear in the movie. Something which is interesting is that, George Lucas told Dave Filoni that there’s apparently a hidden reason why Anakin learned how to become a Force Spirit, which could factor into the idea that McCaig had illustrated (which unfortunately, our source didn’t say anything about detail-wise). My guess is that the idea would revolve around Anakin struggling to further atone for his many sins as Vader posthumously, which comes across as an interesting concept that I would hope that they would follow up on, whether it’s in the Sequel Trilogy or elsewhere. Another theory is that, when Kylo Ren was actually talking to Darth Vader’s helmet, a vision of the haunting figure was meant to appear when he asked to be shown the power of the Dark Side. Here’s one bit of concept art showing the Anakin/Vader apparition (Episode VIII spoilers begin below the image):


George Lucas’s plans for the franchise way back when seemingly excluded Luke Skwalker from getting married (which is why he wasn’t happy about Luke tying the knot with the Legends character Mara Jade without the writers asking him first), but they still involved Luke having a child. Interestingly enough, Lucas did mention that Jedi weren’t necessarily required to be celibate so long as they didn’t have actual attachments, meaning that there probably are a bunch of illegitimate Jedi babies running around throughout the Galaxy
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http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/06/iain-mccaig-talks-about-production-on-the-force-awakens-hints-at-star-wars-episode-viii-plot.html

Jj Abrams recently explaining with emphasis that you see reys past and then you hear obi wan call out to her..

about time the director started pointing out the complete and utter significance of obi wan kenobi and Rey in tfa.

Random Easter egg? No

Random unimportant thing with no relevance to the narrative? Nope


Anakin’s Saber Calling out to Obi Wan!
AHSOKA BOOK SPOILERS
While I doubt this means anything, it’s just something I want to discus. A lot of people claim that Rey is obviously a Skywalker because the lightsaber called out for her, but it also calls out and haunts Obi Wan on Tatooine. [/i]

http://kenobody.tumblr.com/post/152021288293/anakins-saber-calling-out-to-obi-wan

Do you know,it's funny but....
Everyone's convinced the sabre 'chose' Rey over Kylo...but maybe the real reason is because he was weakened by blood loss and pain, which meant Rey's 'Force pull' was stronger than his!

motherofpearl1 wrote:Do you know,it's funny but....
Everyone's convinced the sabre 'chose' Rey over Kylo...but maybe the real reason is because he was weakened by blood loss and pain, which meant Rey's 'Force pull' was stronger than his!

@motherofpearl1

That's the way I read it too. It wasn't so much the saber calling to one person over the other, but instead the person who was simply 'stronger' in the Force caught it. Similar to tug of war...

IoJovi wrote:

motherofpearl1 wrote:Do you know,it's funny but....
Everyone's convinced the sabre 'chose' Rey over Kylo...but maybe the real reason is because he was weakened by blood loss and pain, which meant Rey's 'Force pull' was stronger than his!

@motherofpearl1

That's the way I read it too. It wasn't so much the saber calling to one person over the other, but instead the person who was simply 'stronger' in the Force caught it. Similar to tug of war...

@IoJovi

Well, it showed him trying a couple of times and failing; I also think it was one of the reasons Rey was able to force his light sabre into the snow. People go on and on about how 'easily' Rey beat him, yet forget how badly he was wounded. If you look very closely at that scene where he was banging his side you can see how big that hole was.

Gemini wrote:Jj Abrams recently explaining with emphasis that you see reys past and then you hear obi wan call out to her..

about time the director started pointing out the complete and utter significance of obi wan kenobi and Rey in tfa.

Random Easter egg? No

Random unimportant thing with no relevance to the narrative? Nope


Anakin’s Saber Calling out to Obi Wan!
AHSOKA BOOK SPOILERS
While I doubt this means anything, it’s just something I want to discus. A lot of people claim that Rey is obviously a Skywalker because the lightsaber called out for her, but it also calls out and haunts Obi Wan on Tatooine. [/i]

http://kenobody.tumblr.com/post/152021288293/anakins-saber-calling-out-to-obi-wan

@Gemini

I do feel Obi-wan is important in the SW saga and there must be an important reason that he spoke in Rey's vision....but Anakin's lightsaber never called to him.... his glance falls on it in one chapter of the Ahsoka novel and he thinks about Anakin and the past....but there is no mystical moment when it calls to him.

He stood up, his knees creaking in a rather alarming fashion. Surely he wasn’t that old yet. It must be the desert climate that affected him strangely. He got a small cup, filled it with water, and then returned to his seat on the floor. Something caught his attention, one of the few pieces of his old life that he’d taken with him to his desert solitude.

Anakin Skywalker’s lightsaber.

It was all that was left of the man who had been, often simultaneously, Obi-Wan’s greatest annoyance, his brother, and his closest friend. If any other part of Anakin had survived, it was lost to evil and darkness.

The person who spotted this in the book may be mistaken

I'll have to read the book myself, it could have been something obscure somewhere in the book.

Gemini wrote:The person who spotted this in the book may be mistaken

I'll have to read the book myself, it could have been something obscure somewhere in the book.

@Gemini

The book is interesting.....though Obi-wan only appears in one scene of the book (otherwise we just see Ahsoka's recollections of the clone wars where she talks of her interactions with Anakin and Obi-wan). The canon series that gives a great insight into Obi-wan's life, way of thinking and devotion to Qui Gon and Anakin is the Anakin & Obi-wan comic series.... Obi-wan is pretty much the focus of the 5 comics and he is illustrated beautifully as well.

Awesome! I'll have to check it out. Thanks for posting the excerpt @Panki

http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/daisy-ridley-star-wars-rey-lineage.html?mid=twitter-share-vulture

"Another possibility is that Rey is related to Obi-Wan Kenobi. This theory is supported by her Kenobi-like costume, dexterity with Jedi mind tricks, and love of solitude. What does she think about that? “We will see in a year,” Ridley said. “Just sit tight on that question.”

Interesting, we will see in a year?


"When Vulture asked Ridley if Jyn was Rey’s mother, she didn’t seem to have considered the question, and worked the timeline out for herself on the spot — suggesting this is not the case, but leaving the possibility open. “I mean, I think historically it wouldn’t work, because she is … Darth Vader is there …  so she would ultimately be my great-grandma; no, she would be my grandma,” Ridley said. "I mean it could happen, especially in a galaxy far, far away."

@EchoBase

Interesting, remember when she was asked about solo, shot it down.

When asked about skywalker all the time she finally showed exasperation when jj debunked.

She was asked about Jyn on a few occasions. Shot it down or seems like she didnt know how it would work (she knows who rey is and she knows it has not changed since a long time.)

Asked about being a kenobi, goes all tight lipped and asks us to wait and see

Gemini wrote:@EchoBase

Interesting, remember when she was asked about solo, shot it down.

When asked about skywalker all the time she finally showed exasperation when jj debunked.

She was asked about Jyn on a few occasions. Shot it down or reacted like she didnt know how it wouldnt work (she knows who rey is and she knows it has not changed since a long time.)

Asked about being a kenobi, goes all tight lipped and asks us to wait and see

@Gemini

I hope we will really see in a year.....and not three years.

It will be a blessed relief from all the theories if we get some answers to Rey's parentage in Ep VIII and don't have to wait until IX as previously thought. Even if we don't get the full story, I hope it will at least lay to rest some of the theories once and for all.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:It will be a blessed relief from all the theories if we get some answers to Rey's parentage in Ep VIII and don't have to wait until IX as previously thought. Even if we don't get the full story, I hope it will at least lay to rest some of the theories once and for all.

@Mrs Ben Solo

While I fully expect Reywalker and Rey Solo to be debunked by VIII, I'm not so sure if we'll have the complete answers by then. It'd certainly be nice though!!!

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:It will be a blessed relief from all the theories if we get some answers to Rey's parentage in Ep VIII and don't have to wait until IX as previously thought. Even if we don't get the full story, I hope it will at least lay to rest some of the theories once and for all.

@Mrs Ben Solo

Yes, please. I really can't take this Rey parentage stuff dragging on for another three years...

IoJovi wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:It will be a blessed relief from all the theories if we get some answers to Rey's parentage in Ep VIII and don't have to wait until IX as previously thought. Even if we don't get the full story, I hope it will at least lay to rest some of the theories once and for all.

@Mrs Ben Solo

While I fully expect Reywalker and Rey Solo to be debunked by VIII, I'm not so sure if we'll have the complete answers by then. It'd certainly be nice though!!!

@IoJovi

We can only hope!

Daisy is wrong about Jyn being her grandmother based on the era, unless she's being deliberately coy. Jyn will be in her early 20s during the events of Rogue One. The OT covered a span of around 3 and a half years, I think. Ben Solo was born around a year after the events of Return of the Jedi and he's 10 years older than Rey. Taking all that into account, Jyn would still technically be of child bearing age in her late 30s around the time Rey was born. I'm not attempting to revive the old theory that Jyn is Rey's mother, only pointing out it is technically possible. She could be Rey's grandmother if she already had a child in Rogue One, but I don't think that's likely.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:It will be a blessed relief from all the theories if we get some answers to Rey's parentage in Ep VIII and don't have to wait until IX as previously thought. Even if we don't get the full story, I hope it will at least lay to rest some of the theories once and for all.

@Mrs Ben Solo

While I fully expect Reywalker and Rey Solo to be debunked by VIII, I'm not so sure if we'll have the complete answers by then. It'd certainly be nice though!!!

@IoJovi

We can only hope!

Daisy is wrong about Jyn being her grandmother based on the era, unless she's being deliberately coy. Jyn will be in her early 20s during the events of Rogue One. The OT covered a span of around 3 and a half years, I think. Ben Solo was born around a year after the events of Return of the Jedi and he's 10 years older than Rey. Taking all that into account, Jyn would still technically be of child bearing age in her late 30s around the time Rey was born. I'm not attempting to revive the old theory that Jyn is Rey's mother, only pointing out it is technically possible. She could be Rey's grandmother if she already had a child in Rogue One, but I don't think that's likely.

@Mrs Ben Solo

I think it's possible that Daisy doesn't know Jyn is supposed to be in her early twenties... Perhaps she, like a lot of people (including me previously), assumed that Jyn is in her thirties like Felicity.

yeah I don't know why Daisy would assume Jyn would be her 'grandmother'....lol she's completely clueless...all these insane parentage theories have got to her, poor girl. Or maybe she just believes that because Rey's parents are much younger than Jyn or Luke...

Mana wrote:yeah I don't know why Daisy would assume Jyn would be her 'grandmother'....lol she's completely clueless...all these insane parentage theories have got to her, poor girl. Or maybe she just believes that because Rey's parents are much younger than Jyn or Luke...

@Mana

This occurred to me, too. The quote does make it sound like she considers the Luke/Leia contemporaries more like the "grandparent" generation for Rey, and Vader's the "great-grandparent" generation.

Then again, it also makes it sound like she thought at first that Jyn and Vader were the same age, so perhaps she simply hasn't given the timeline much thought.

Being part of production and a professional, I don't think Daisy's in danger of letting fan theories get to her head. After all, she is well aware of her character's backstory so fan influnces don't play a role in this case. She was pretty unambiguous in her remarks about this ''theory'' in the MTV interview. It definitely didn't look like she took those speculations seriously, which just shows how unfounded they are. It's the same case here IMO, it doesn't look like she's given it much thought and tbh I don't see a reason why she would.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:It will be a blessed relief from all the theories if we get some answers to Rey's parentage in Ep VIII and don't have to wait until IX as previously thought. Even if we don't get the full story, I hope it will at least lay to rest some of the theories once and for all.

@Mrs Ben Solo

While I fully expect Reywalker and Rey Solo to be debunked by VIII, I'm not so sure if we'll have the complete answers by then. It'd certainly be nice though!!!

@IoJovi

We can only hope!

Daisy is wrong about Jyn being her grandmother based on the era, unless she's being deliberately coy. Jyn will be in her early 20s during the events of Rogue One. The OT covered a span of around 3 and a half years, I think. Ben Solo was born around a year after the events of Return of the Jedi and he's 10 years older than Rey. Taking all that into account, Jyn would still technically be of child bearing age in her late 30s around the time Rey was born. I'm not attempting to revive the old theory that Jyn is Rey's mother, only pointing out it is technically possible. She could be Rey's grandmother if she already had a child in Rogue One, but I don't think that's likely.

@Mrs Ben Solo

This was my first thought too. She might believe Felicity's character to also be in her 30s, which would put her at around 48 by the time Rey is born. Also, I love what Dingbat pointed out - Daisy most likely already knows the age of Rey's parents, hence why she immediately thought Jyn Erso could be her grandmother.

If her parents were young (20ish) when they had her, that immediately rules out Luke and Leia. Hell, if Jyn Erso is her grandmother, that also rules out Luke and Leia...