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I don't think teen pregnancy is a great message, I agree

But It's supposed to be something scandalous in their backstory (so it's not what we saw in clone wars it's something before it)I mean George wrote it so obibwan guarded satine and they started gaining feelings as teenagers, then He had to go away and he chose to follow Jedi path. Teen pregnancy with a Jedi and a dutchess out of marriage and a hidden secret bastard son is about as scandalous as something can get in this universe

Like everything else you hear from more established fans about the ST, it's both "I'm not happy it's a re-hash" with "JJ ruined my childhood." Believing/wanting Rey to be Luke's kid essentially means wanting it to stay within the confines of the story that they're sentimental/comfortable about. Although as has been mentioned above, it means setting up the supposed hero at the center of the story as a really bad father.

The Kenobi theory, like I've said before there's something which ties the two characters with the different Easter Eggs and the closing shot @Gemini has discussed before (and the I won't name it here reference). So there's something going on, especially in the Force vision. It may be her grandfather as a parallel for her main antagonist/foil. But who knows? Maybe Obi-Wan had some very nice cousins who managed to be FS and stay under the radar. Maybe she's descended from a family friend or very nice neighbor he always liked. Or maybe being Disney, he's just her version of a fairy godfather. But there's something going on there, even if it's just a tip of the hat to that character and linking her as being his spiritual successor.

@snufkin .... I actually like the possibility that Obi-wan had a brother somewhere who also had FS genes and passed it on to his granddaughter....that would be a nice nod to the story where Obi-wan thinks he has a brother somewhere and feels it might be Owen Lars. I'm very fond of Obi-wan's and I just want them to do right by him and not just throw something in there which would spoil his character. Now you've got me curious about the tweet on Obi-wan's connection to Rey because it brings up some things mentioned in the end of Dark Disciple s well...

I'm not saying I see no problem with a teen pregnancy scenario, that would be hypocritical after my complaints about the Reywalker deadbeat dad Luke theories, but i do have a point to make about Disney's wholesome image... Aren't all the princesses/female love interests teenagers? I know Snow White is supposed to be 14 or something when Prince Charming works his magic on her. Ariel from The Little Mermaid is 16 when she marries Prince Eric. I guess those are all o.k because underage or not, it was all sanctified by marriage!

I could more readily accept a backstory where Obi-Wan and Satine fell in love as teenagers resulting in a pregnancy that Satine kept secret so as not to make Obi-Wan choose between them and his destiny to become a Jedi. It is certainly something that used to happen all the time in our world. Children born of secret love affairs to teenage mothers were sometimes brought up as the mother's relation. A famous case is Jack Nicholson who grew up believing his birth mother was his sister.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

Gemini wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:Thanks for the info @panki that makes sense of what Pablo tweeted earlier. He also seemed to imply in another tweet that Obi-Wan's connection to Rey will be explored in some capacity...

@Mrs Ben Solo

Really where's that?

You know she may not even be related. It's just a connection somehow lol

@Gemini

I don't know how to take a screenshot on my iPad but there's a short string of tweets ending in this reply https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/806270591556718592

@Mrs Ben Solo

I found this tweet in the chain to be a bit of a head-scratcher:

Pablo Hidalgo wrote:Pablo Hidalgo ‏@pablohidalgo 2h2 hours ago
@P_Applejack Or is it really Obi-Wan? Or is he just part of the vision? And are there actual answers to these questions to be gained online?

I think George is quite old fashioned and has some old fashioned ideals. I could totally imagine him writing a teen pregnancy story where the baby is raised as a nephew and obibwan is unwise to it. Infact it seemingly perfectly ties it all in with the obi wan we saw in the prequels and he original. He's someone who appears to not be a father. He is not aware, it fits well and lines up.

Pabs is simple to read

When it's an actual serious spoiler he will not discuss, he'll either say it's undefined until a story defines or will just say Twitter ain't the place.

Stuff he's let slip he also back tracks on frequently, "it's a thing he's holding and it ain't in he movie" the "actually it's his glove!"

He often tries to confuse you "how do you know it's obibwan " lmfao

He used to tell a lot more about plot points but not anymore.

Now it's all answering questions with questions lol.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

Gemini wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:Thanks for the info @panki that makes sense of what Pablo tweeted earlier. He also seemed to imply in another tweet that Obi-Wan's connection to Rey will be explored in some capacity...

@Mrs Ben Solo

Really where's that?

You know she may not even be related. It's just a connection somehow lol

@Gemini

I don't know how to take a screenshot on my iPad but there's a short string of tweets ending in this reply https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/806270591556718592

@Mrs Ben Solo

I found this tweet in the chain to be a bit of a head-scratcher:

Pablo Hidalgo wrote:Pablo Hidalgo ‏@pablohidalgo 2h2 hours ago
@P_Applejack Or is it really Obi-Wan? Or is he just part of the vision? And are there actual answers to these questions to be gained online?

@ISeeAnIsland

That force back is one big mind**** so who knows for sure? But saying that, having Obi-Wan speak those specific words does appear to have been a deliberate choice. It could have been a number of people, Luke, Anakin, Yoda, even Kylo/Ben, but they had Obi-Wan address Rey by name, even going to the trouble of splicing in Sir Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wans. Maybe it means nothing more than a nod to the character and the actors but then why does Pablo seem to suggest it's not insignificant? He could have said it didn't mean anything or was just a nod to Obi-Wan but saying it's something that can't be answered on Twitter suggests that there's something more to it, IMO.

Maybe I am old fashioned but I am much more accepting of teens falling in love (and maybe even marrying)...but I'm not comfortable seeing a character I liked for many years father a child as a teen, never know about it and even interact with the kid...but not get to acknowledge him in his lifetime.... it just seems wrong.....I would imagine Satine would have told him this as she died, not take the secret with her to the grave...so either way, someone is going to look bad in this scenario. I like the idea of Rey being a Kenobi but I'd prefer Obi-wan being her granduncle or something like that....if she is not his clone.

If we're a bunch of high-level nerds, just imagine the black belts in theorizing and coming up with plausible scenarios LF's team probably have. Or maybe there's an ABC Family TV series in the works about Obi-Wan, the unwitting teen Jedi father. I'm just curious if the references they dropped to him around Rey and having him be able to know her name and address her "from across the Force" (Ewan McGregor's own words) means a significant connection.  

One thing I haven't seen discussed is how if Ren has the old Vader mask and we're led to believe he was shown something by Vader (unless it was Snoke playing an "I am the Great and Powerful Oz."), then she in turn was shown something by Obi-Wan. That's possibly another parallel between the two of them.

In terms of whatever might come out in VIII besides her finally having to confront the impact of it had on her emotionally/psychologically, if they're keeping her last name/parents out of the picture, that does mean *something* where there's a payoff or ties in with the larger Force plot and inevitable confrontation with Snoke. Maybe her parents were like Hux's dad, part of the remaining factions of the Empire? And they also somehow mysteriously disappeared with the kid left behind. It's not far fetched to imagine that there was internal struggle between those elements and people being eliminated as the group that finally emerged as the FO started to solidify.

just some random thoughts on the clip preview,

Maul says, " I have gathered many things to restore our memories" this could be a reference to relics giving visions.

In Mauls creepy room there are things that stand out, Blood, Satine ( royal), the Dark Sword, and a Chalice, and of course the name Kenobi written in Mando....

Sang Real.....

this could (COULD BE) maybe be a reference... to Holy Blood, Holy Grail or Da Vinci Code


which is all about Jesus having a secret child with Mary Magdalene, who later becomes the progenitor of Medieval french royalty...

snufkin wrote:If we're a bunch of high-level nerds, just imagine the black belts in theorizing and coming up with plausible scenarios LF's team probably have. Or maybe there's an ABC Family TV series in the works about Obi-Wan, the unwitting teen Jedi father. I'm just curious if the references they dropped to him around Rey and having him be able to know her name and address her "from across the Force" (Ewan McGregor's own words) means a significant connection.  

One thing I haven't seen discussed is how if Ren has the old Vader mask and we're led to believe he was shown something by Vader (unless it was Snoke playing an "I am the Great and Powerful Oz."), then she in turn was shown something by Obi-Wan. That's possibly another parallel between the two of them.

In terms of whatever might come out in VIII besides her finally having to confront the impact of it had on her emotionally/psychologically, if they're keeping her last name/parents out of the picture, that does mean *something* where there's a payoff or ties in with the larger Force plot and inevitable confrontation with Snoke. Maybe her parents were like Hux's dad, part of the remaining factions of the Empire? And they also somehow mysteriously disappeared with the kid left behind. It's not far fetched to imagine that there was internal struggle between those elements and people being eliminated as the group that finally emerged as the FO started to solidify.

@snufkin

As to the bolded, one of Life Debt's themes was that Rax sought to eliminate other high-ranking Imperials if he doubted their loyalty. If Rey is a Rey-Parents-Not-Yet-Introduced, and if Rax has some connection to Snoke like many suspect, the scenario that Rey's parents were part of one of the non-Rax/Snoke-loyal Imperial faction that was wiped out could be very plausible.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

snufkin wrote:
In terms of whatever might come out in VIII besides her finally having to confront the impact of it had on her emotionally/psychologically, if they're keeping her last name/parents out of the picture, that does mean *something* where there's a payoff or ties in with the larger Force plot and inevitable confrontation with Snoke. Maybe her parents were like Hux's dad, part of the remaining factions of the Empire? And they also somehow mysteriously disappeared with the kid left behind. It's not far fetched to imagine that there was internal struggle between those elements and people being eliminated as the group that finally emerged as the FO started to solidify.

@snufkin

As to the bolded, one of Life Debt's themes was that Rax sought to eliminate other high-ranking Imperials if he doubted their loyalty. If Rey is a Rey-Parents-Not-Yet-Introduced, and if Rax has some connection to Snoke like many suspect, the scenario that Rey's parents were part of one of the non-Rax/Snoke-loyal Imperial faction that was wiped out could be very plausible.

@ISeeAnIsland

They keep talking about showing people on both sides trying to act in good faith and clearly Hux is not the product of that type of character for the FO. Just my personal taste, but I'd find that scenario (whether or not it turns out there's a blood relation or not w/Obi-Wan) of her family having been part of a power play/purge on the Imperial/FO side a lot more interesting than Luke is your daddy. Or your daddy is DS or Luke killed your daddy. They're already dropping hints for the new story that something was going on at Jakku, so it's not likely that she got stuck there because the family was there as a pit stop. Family gets wiped out as part of a power consolidation and she either falls through the cracks or gets handed off to Plutt as child laborer.

Okay the latest theory of Rey's origins is that she hatched from an egg!!!!      

I kid you not!!!      Here's an article about it:

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a816416/star-wars-rey-origin-theory-hatched-from-egg/

Rogue Rey wrote:Okay the latest theory of Rey's origins is that she hatched from an egg!!!!      

I kid you not!!!      Here's an article about it:

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a816416/star-wars-rey-origin-theory-hatched-from-egg/

@Rogue Rey

pikarey

Rogue Rey wrote:Okay the latest theory of Rey's origins is that she hatched from an egg!!!!      

I kid you not!!!      Here's an article about it:

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a816416/star-wars-rey-origin-theory-hatched-from-egg/

@Rogue Rey

I have no words.  I think this is the weirdest theory yet.  It's even more bizarre than the one where Luke tells Rey that she is his father.

Rogue Rey wrote:Okay the latest theory of Rey's origins is that she hatched from an egg!!!!      

I kid you not!!!      Here's an article about it:

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a816416/star-wars-rey-origin-theory-hatched-from-egg/

@Rogue Rey

Oh my god. People and these theories....haven't they ever heard the phrase 'keep it simple stupid'. I think they're in too deep thinking about all these obscure parentage ideas.
The movie writers aren't going to base their plots on the hope that their audience has read all these star wars tie in comics in order for it to make sense. The majority of people going to see the movie ONLY watch the movies. So the answers need to be all there for them. Blue space eggs would make the average star wars movie watcher go 'wtf...'

Rogue Rey wrote:Okay the latest theory of Rey's origins is that she hatched from an egg!!!!      

I kid you not!!!      Here's an article about it:

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a816416/star-wars-rey-origin-theory-hatched-from-egg/

@Rogue Rey

@4forYouRey-lolo @Mana when I told my Mum the latest theory she just gave me a look of utter disbelief and she's someone who's never looked at any of the EU or tie-ins. She's a viewer of the movies only.

spacebaby45678 wrote:

@spacebaby45678

Yay for Rey Kenobi (but I do edge more Rey Palpatine for eviler reasons) but boo for not wanting Kylo Ren redemption!!

Damn man they just saw now what kenobi theorists have been saying for a year. They get it. Finally people are getting it and it's sooooo overdue it cracks me up. I knew tha nearer the release date we would start getting more and more rey kenobi hints and spoilers.

I honestly am 100 percent stunned at how damn long it took for people to catch on after tfa. It's always been so obvious to me, everything they are saying is what I feel like I've discussed for a year until my face turned blue. I've been made to feel crazy by reywalkers and Rey soloists. It's a relief that sanity is prevailing lol.

To sum up.... Harloff and the young lady said it is a good story, good narrative and makes sense for business if Rey is a Kenobi... Harloff particularly liked the granddaughter v grandson scenario...I don't think Harloff knows this but that is a tacit endorsement of Reylo

spacebaby45678 wrote:To sum up.... Harloff and the young lady said it is a good story, good narrative and makes sense for business if Rey is a Kenobi... Harloff particularly liked the granddaughter v grandson scenario...I don't think Harloff knows this but that is a tacit endorsement of Reylo

@spacebaby45678

It does make total sense business wise as they said - it will bring an instant audience to any Kenobi spin off movie especially if they leave some questions for it to answer from the saga films.

I've always gone between wanting Rey to be a Kenobi or a Palpatine.

Kenobi because it effectively keeps Obi-wan alive and there are so many parallels you have with Kenobi's and Skywalkers.

Palpatine because it was a Palpatine who seduced a Skywalker to the Dark Side so it'd be a cool mirroring if a Palpatine seduces a Skywalker to the Light Side.  Rey is Light but she's clearly got some Dark tendencies and Kylo is opposite - Dark with Light tendencies.

But yeah I can see Rey Kenobi being good for the future.

Has anyone read the novel Star Wars: Kenobi?

It came out in August 2013 and is about Obi-wan's first few years on Tatooine - including his friendship with a lady called Annileen Calwell.