Re: ARCHIVE: Rey's Lineage Discussion II - 2

by snufkin Tue 29 Nov 2016, 9:43 pm

snufkin wrote:
IoJovi wrote:@Whatgirl there's no way he could be her father as she was born long after his death, but there's a few ways she could end up being his descendant. Still, Yoda and Palpatine both are also heard in that vision, but you're right, none of them address her by her first name.
@IoJovi

When you're talking about actual surprises in TFA, that's why the reveal of Ben as his birth name was the big surprise/twist for me. Because I immediately knew who he'd been named after and then flashed back to how it was only those two men who interact with her in the vision. Including how the Older Ben is the one who speaks directly to her. Ewan McGregor had a quote that it was meant to be him speaking to her from across the Force. Which at least means that he is trying to reach her directly and has some kind of guiding hand in what's she's shown (even if it's "keep an eye out for my namesake, he's kind of a hot mess.")

Huh so I also noticed the ESB is on TBS and the whole scene with Vader and the Emperor which is one of the biggest callbacks in TFA. It's mostly about Ben as Han's son. But the whole "new Jedi" and "enemy" is also a reference to Rey b/c she's the Awakening (which is a callback to Disturbance). Anyways, Vader's comeback to the Emperor is that "Obi-Wan can't help him anymore." Just thought that's interesting with how that scene and individuals who are referenced. That it's Obi-Wan and he is trying to reach out to Rey via the Force, enough to call her name.

by Gemini Wed 30 Nov 2016, 4:06 pm

IoJovi wrote:@Whatgirl there's no way he could be her father as she was born long after his death, but there's a few ways she could end up being his descendant. Still, Yoda and Palpatine both are also heard in that vision, but you're right, none of them address her by her first name.

@IoJovi

You know you just made me think....

How the heck does he know her name?

Unless he's been watching her?

@WhatGirl

lol I got into so many fights with reywalkers trying to explain the significance that he's the only one to actually speak directly to her by name as if reaching out.

Official Star Wars blog also recently highlighted the importance of that one line, they listed that moment he calls out to Rey as one of the most important moments of his life.(death lol)

"14. Star Wars: The Force Awakens – Though we only hear him whisper, Obi-Wan’s words to Rey speak volumes.."

How so does it speak volumes? How can him simply calling her by her name be so significant?

Check out no4 "some of his secrets"

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-playlist-obi-wan-kenobi

by Rogue Rey Wed 30 Nov 2016, 4:32 pm

Gemini wrote:
IoJovi wrote:@Whatgirl there's no way he could be her father as she was born long after his death, but there's a few ways she could end up being his descendant. Still, Yoda and Palpatine both are also heard in that vision, but you're right, none of them address her by her first name.
@IoJovi

You know you just made me think....

How the heck does he know her name?

Unless he's been watching her?

@WhatGirl

lol I got into so many fights with reywalkers trying to explain the significance that he's the only one to actually speak directly to her by name as if reaching out.

Official Star Wars blog also recently highlighted the importance of that one line, they listed that moment he calls out to Rey as one of the most important moments of his life.(death lol)

"14. Star Wars: The Force Awakens – Though we only hear him whisper, Obi-Wan’s words to Rey speak volumes.."

How so does it speak volumes? How can him simply calling her by her name be so significant?

@Gemini

BIB - my thoughts exactly.

If Rey is nothing to do with Obi-wan then how the heck does he know her name - especially as she was dormant in the Force all this time.

He knew who Luke was when they met because he'd met him as a baby and was watching him from afar, but that's impossible in terms of Rey so there has to be something else going on for Obi-wan to know who she is.

hmmmmmm Confus

by snufkin Wed 30 Nov 2016, 4:43 pm

If it is in terms of watching her from afar, that's almost (not a perfect analogy b/c Obi-Wans a good guy, not a creeper) like how in Leia's words, Snoke was always watching Ben from early on.

by Magnolia_3.0 Fri 02 Dec 2016, 3:32 am

I would not consider the scene of Obi Wan calling Rey very important ... but due to two facts I have this in mind: 1- They used not only the voice of Ewan, but bothered to insert the voice of the first actor to interpret the character (Actor who is already deceased ... lol);
2 - Daisy was the only actress to remain with her English accent;
3- In the trailer of the film we see a light saber in the hands of Kylo very similar to the one of Obi Wan; 4. The fact that Obi Wan's story remains unfinished so far, and there is speculation about it being important to this trilogy. So, because of these elements, I do believe there is a connection between Rey and Obi Wan ...
I just do not dare say it is direct kinship.

by spacebaby45678 Fri 02 Dec 2016, 5:10 am

Myth and how it works.... and worship of ancestors in indigenous cultures, also see Kylo reaching out to his grandfather, papa darth.

Moana and grandmother, Grandma passes on which is Moana's call to adventure, Grandma gives advice and help from the other side as force ghost....

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Kubo and grandfather, Kubo's grandfather stole his eye, wants the other eye so Kubo will live in the ether world with him, Kubo redeems his grandfather.

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Kylo speaking to Grandfather

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The question, I have is why do we assume Rey has no ancestors that would try to reach out to her in a moment of distress, also I am with @gemini, how does Obi know her name if 1. he is not related or 2. been watching over previously?

additionally, in each case, Moana, Kubo, Kylo there is an ancestral duty that must be taken up again and completed. Is this the same for Rey?

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by Gemini Fri 02 Dec 2016, 10:35 am

Magnolia_3.0 wrote:I would not consider the scene of Obi Wan calling Rey very important ... but due to two facts I have this in mind: 1- They used not only the voice of Ewan, but bothered to insert the voice of the first actor to interpret the character (Actor who is already deceased ... lol);
2 - Daisy was the only actress to remain with her English accent;
3- In the trailer of the film we see a light saber in the hands of Kylo very similar to the one of Obi Wan; 4. The fact that Obi Wan's story remains unfinished so far, and there is speculation about it being important to this trilogy. So, because of these elements, I do believe there is a connection between Rey and Obi Wan ...
I just do not dare say it is direct kinship.

@Magnolia_3.0

4. Kylo seems to get a vision of rey through said saber just like how she saw who was connected by blood to anakins :p

by Reylo Lemon Fri 02 Dec 2016, 10:37 am

Felicity Jones shuts down Skymom theory

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by Darth_Awakened Fri 02 Dec 2016, 11:08 am

Magnolia_3.0 wrote:I would not consider the scene of Obi Wan calling Rey very important ... but due to two facts I have this in mind: 1- They used not only the voice of Ewan, but bothered to insert the voice of the first actor to interpret the character (Actor who is already deceased ... lol);
2 - Daisy was the only actress to remain with her English accent;
3- In the trailer of the film we see a light saber in the hands of Kylo very similar to the one of Obi Wan; 4. The fact that Obi Wan's story remains unfinished so far, and there is speculation about it being important to this trilogy. So, because of these elements, I do believe there is a connection between Rey and Obi Wan ...
I just do not dare say it is direct kinship.

@Magnolia_3.0

I'am not so much in the Rey parentage discussion and I don't have my favorite theory on the topic, but I would say if anything points in TFA to Obi as her ancestor - I think it's the calling in the vision.
There must be a reason why Obi Wan called to her. Him, not any other Jedi of old. Not Qui Gon, not Yoda, not even Anakin Skywalker who was the owner of the saber.
There's always a possibility that JJ decided on Obi Wan because he thought it would be cool, but still I am not sure how I feel about it.

by Magnolia_3.0 Fri 02 Dec 2016, 12:30 pm

Gemini wrote:
Magnolia_3.0 wrote:I would not consider the scene of Obi Wan calling Rey very important ... but due to two facts I have this in mind: 1- They used not only the voice of Ewan, but bothered to insert the voice of the first actor to interpret the character (Actor who is already deceased ... lol);
2 - Daisy was the only actress to remain with her English accent;
3- In the trailer of the film we see a light saber in the hands of Kylo very similar to the one of Obi Wan; 4. The fact that Obi Wan's story remains unfinished so far, and there is speculation about it being important to this trilogy. So, because of these elements, I do believe there is a connection between Rey and Obi Wan ...
I just do not dare say it is direct kinship.
@Magnolia_3.0

4. Kylo seems to get a vision of rey through said saber just like how she saw who was connected by blood to anakins :p

@Gemini

Exactly! I forgot about this detail, I also believe he had a vision of her at that moment ... he may even have had others. By the way, I loved your theory, you write so well! bounce

by snufkin Fri 02 Dec 2016, 1:52 pm

I'm really curious about the Obi-Wan callbacks/fluorishes that are around Rey. Including the potential saber and why he of all people calls out to her and knows her name. Otherwise my guess at this moment still stands that:

1) Something really awful happened to her family and she's the only survivor. Not necessarily the Anastasia scenario, just that the rest of them were wiped out and she only survived because she fell through the cracks on Jakku.

2) That it makes most sense logically if Snoke and the FO were behind it what happened to her family. They could have been allied with a Force Group, royalty, a place that was conquered by the FO, relic hunters who had something valueable. But Snoke and his Force related long con (I'd vote for wanting to reshape/control it according to his own personal ideology) are the Big Bad and as such, have to be Rey's central enemy. Especially if you follow the Fairy Tale story structure for female heroines.

3) For a legacy, whomever her parents were, they may have taken him on directly and been killed as a result. Except that her being in hiding on Jakku, she'll eventually come back to finish what they started (har har) and also maybe be a nice "oh s**t" moment for Snoke when he realizes who she's connected to. I think this is also part of the whole "you need a teacher" business. She needs an inside man to prepare for this confrontation.

4) While Luke may have encountered her family as fellow Force Users, he is not directly responsible for what happened to him. He's too busy dealing with whatever he did that resulted in Ben's fall. Also from what's been rumored and put forth in Bloodline/TFA, Luke's burden is his role in whatever happened to Ben. Rey will intersect with that as a 3rd party Force User who's not allied with either side or an ideology. Otherwise why would she want to continue to associate with this family who's caused her so much personal pain? If Carrie Fisher is to believed that "Rey is very forgiving" in the context of discussing her awful son, it seems to follow that Rey's main challenge is being able to forgive Ben for what he did.

5) If they run at all with connecting her to Obi-Wan, then it has to make sense that he also had dealings with Snoke in the past.

At this point, we don't know anything, so it's fun to speculate. Or at least come up with better theories than "she's Lukes lol."

by Birdwoman Fri 02 Dec 2016, 4:16 pm

@maria antonietta,
I was reading a reddit thread where someone was claiming Jyn is Rey's mom. Now, if the spoilers I have read are true. There is no way that Luke and she would ever meet. Ever... much less have a baby together.

by Reylo Lemon Fri 02 Dec 2016, 4:20 pm

Birdwoman wrote:@maria antonietta,
I was reading a reddit thread where someone was claiming Jyn is Rey's mom. Now, if the spoilers I have read are true. There is no way that Luke and she would ever meet. Ever... much less have a baby together.

@Birdwoman

As Ben Kenobi would say: " Mos Eisley spaceport (aka Reddit): You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."

by Gemini Fri 02 Dec 2016, 5:34 pm

Magnolia_3.0 wrote:
Gemini wrote:
Magnolia_3.0 wrote:I would not consider the scene of Obi Wan calling Rey very important ... but due to two facts I have this in mind: 1- They used not only the voice of Ewan, but bothered to insert the voice of the first actor to interpret the character (Actor who is already deceased ... lol);
2 - Daisy was the only actress to remain with her English accent;
3- In the trailer of the film we see a light saber in the hands of Kylo very similar to the one of Obi Wan; 4. The fact that Obi Wan's story remains unfinished so far, and there is speculation about it being important to this trilogy. So, because of these elements, I do believe there is a connection between Rey and Obi Wan ...
I just do not dare say it is direct kinship.
@Magnolia_3.0

4. Kylo seems to get a vision of rey through said saber just like how she saw who was connected by blood to anakins :p

@Gemini

Exactly! I forgot about this detail, I also believe he had a vision of her at that moment ... he may even have had others. By the way, I loved your theory, you write so well!

@Magnolia_3.0

Thank you Smile

by Guest Fri 02 Dec 2016, 7:02 pm

Maria Antonietta wrote:
Birdwoman wrote:@maria antonietta,
I was reading a reddit thread where someone was claiming Jyn is Rey's mom. Now, if the spoilers I have read are true. There is no way that Luke and she would ever meet. Ever... much less have a baby together.
@Birdwoman

As Ben Kenobi would say: " Mos Eisley spaceport (aka Reddit): You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."

@Maria Antonietta

I suppose there could have been the vague possibility that Rey was the child of Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor (if they both survive the events of Rogue One). But the standalone aspect of these anthology movies has been stressed over and over. Plus, it's not like Rey was born around the time of A New Hope. She doesn't turn up on the scene until around 14 years later.

by IoJovi Fri 02 Dec 2016, 7:06 pm

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:
Maria Antonietta wrote:
Birdwoman wrote:@maria antonietta,
I was reading a reddit thread where someone was claiming Jyn is Rey's mom. Now, if the spoilers I have read are true. There is no way that Luke and she would ever meet. Ever... much less have a baby together.
@Birdwoman

As Ben Kenobi would say: " Mos Eisley spaceport (aka Reddit): You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."
@Maria Antonietta

I suppose there could have been the vague possibility that Rey was the child of Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor (if they both survive the events of Rogue One). But the standalone aspect of these anthology movies has been stressed over and over. Plus, it's not like Rey was born around the time of A New Hope. She doesn't turn up on the scene until around 14 years later.

@Mrs Ben Solo

I don't know of any other way the group could drill the point home that Rogue One is a stand alone movie. I think poor Pablo is blue in the face by now!!! Laughing

by Helix Fri 02 Dec 2016, 8:20 pm

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

I suppose there could have been the vague possibility that Rey was the child of Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor (if they both survive the events of Rogue One). But the standalone aspect of these anthology movies has been stressed over and over. Plus, it's not like Rey was born around the time of A New Hope. She doesn't turn up on the scene until around 14 years later.

@Mrs Ben Solo

I just had the hilarious mental imagine of K2-SO being a nanny.

by panki Fri 02 Dec 2016, 11:30 pm

I think it is highly unlikely Jyn is Rey's mom (definitively not Skymom)....but playing devil's advocate, I understand why people could assume Jyn and Cassian are Rey's parents.

What if Saw's words foreshadow Jyn's fate - “What will you do when they catch you? What will you do if they break you? If you continue to fight, what will you become?” Jyn and Cassian could always get captured at the end of RO and suffer a similar fate as Snap Wexley's father, who was turned into an assassin against his will by the imperials (in Life Debt, a whole lot of imperial prisoners were found with chips in their heads). Then RO would still remain a standalone because Jyn and Cassian would technically be on the imperial side for the period of the OT and after.....it also would make Rey more sympathetic to Ben Solo if she finds out that he was captured by the FO and forced to change sides....and there would be no need to explain the backstory of Rey's parents in the ST to the GA since there would be an entire movie explaining it.

by snufkin Sat 03 Dec 2016, 2:00 am

Summary of the intro for Rogue One after screening, which makes you wonder if the scenario presented for Jyn means a different route for what happened to Rey:

We Saw the First 28 minutes

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

by **MoonlitMoss** Sat 03 Dec 2016, 2:21 am

Please use tags for any discussion related to Rogue One that could be considered a spoiler.

by CienaRee Sat 03 Dec 2016, 4:19 am

snufkin wrote:Summary of the intro for Rogue One after screening, which makes you wonder if the scenario presented for Jyn means a different route for what happened to Rey:

We Saw the First 28 minutes

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

@snufkin

Spoiler:

by Darth Dingbat Sat 03 Dec 2016, 8:07 am

Oh my God, I'm actually demonstrating some self-control and not reading those spoilers. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?

It's only two weeks. Two weeks.

*heavy breathing*

by IoJovi Sat 03 Dec 2016, 8:15 am

@Darth Dingbat What is wrong with us that we go to such lengths to get to most obscure spoilers for VIII, yet we won't read a simple post in a spoiler tag right at our finger tips for a movie that comes out in two weeks?

I'm right there with you, and I don't understand it myself... Laughing

by Little_Boots Sat 03 Dec 2016, 8:20 am

Omg guys. It's coming up to a year of the release of Force Awakens. Can't believe it. We all must have a anniversary celebration where we all sit down and watch it at the exact same time, and every time BB8 beeps we take a shot of Tequila, whos with me?

by Reylo Lemon Sat 03 Dec 2016, 9:19 am

Little_Boots wrote:Omg guys. It's coming up to a year of the release of Force Awakens. Can't believe it. We all must have a anniversary celebration where we all sit down and watch it at the exact same time, and every time BB8 beeps we take a shot of Tequila, whos with me?

@Little_Boots

Beer for me cheers

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