ARCHIVE: Rey and Kylo - Beauty and the Beast, Scavenger and the Monstah, Their Bond, His Love, Her Confused Feelings - 11

Lily Snape wrote:@StarChaser -- this is terrific.  I thought that she understood Kylo better after standing over him, feral and almost snarling, with the voice in her head, feeling like she wanted to kill him even though he was by then defenseless.  I mean, Rey did take out some anonymous storm troopers, but this is Han's son.  She knows how badly his father wanted him redeemed.  And she already knows him better than she ever wanted to-- including, I'm sure, his turmoil and conflict and doubt.  No wonder the rumor is that she won't want to kill him in VIII-- she made that choice at the end of VII.  I love the idea of her going after him, trying to find the Light.  I always assumed she'd be the one to initiate anything romantic, partly because we don't need a repeat of his parents in which Han was the pursuer, and partly to show (after all the stuff he did that she fled and resisted) that she really is interested in him, not the stereotypical "Baby It's Cold Outside" kind of thing.

@snufkin -- Darth Boyfriend for the win!!! And thanks for posting that discussion. Now I need to check out the rest of the site.

Lily Snape wrote:@StarChaser -- this is terrific. I thought that she understood Kylo better after standing over him, feral and almost snarling, with the voice in her head, feeling like she wanted to kill him even though he was by then defenseless. I mean, Rey did take out some anonymous storm troopers, but this is Han's son. She knows how badly his father wanted him redeemed. And she already knows him better than she ever wanted to-- including, I'm sure, his turmoil and conflict and doubt. No wonder the rumor is that she won't want to kill him in VIII-- she made that choice at the end of VII. I love the idea of her going after him, trying to find the Light. I always assumed she'd be the one to initiate anything romantic, partly because we don't need a repeat of his parents in which Han was the pursuer, and partly to show (after all the stuff he did that she fled and resisted) that she really is interested in him, not the stereotypical "Baby It's Cold Outside" kind of thing.

@snufkin -- Darth Boyfriend for the win!!!

vaderito wrote:

Lily Snape wrote:@StarChaser -- this is terrific. I thought that she understood Kylo better after standing over him, feral and almost snarling, with the voice in her head, feeling like she wanted to kill him even though he was by then defenseless. I mean, Rey did take out some anonymous storm troopers, but this is Han's son. She knows how badly his father wanted him redeemed. And she already knows him better than she ever wanted to-- including, I'm sure, his turmoil and conflict and doubt. No wonder the rumor is that she won't want to kill him in VIII-- she made that choice at the end of VII. I love the idea of her going after him, trying to find the Light. I always assumed she'd be the one to initiate anything romantic, partly because we don't need a repeat of his parents in which Han was the pursuer, and partly to show (after all the stuff he did that she fled and resisted) that she really is interested in him, not the stereotypical "Baby It's Cold Outside" kind of thing.

@snufkin -- Darth Boyfriend for the win!!!

@Lily Snape


heh, Storm Troopers stopped being anonymous after Finn's confession. basically, guys like him, taken from their families, trained to do one thing. Yet no pausing to reconsidering killing Next Finns. I mean, I'm sure that film-makers didn't think much of it just like they didn't think much of Finn shooting Troopers, but yeah. They should have thought about that because it would've contributed to better, more believable characterization.

As for Rey and Kylo, I think that it had less to do with Han and more to do with her personal disappointment and also when she slashed his face with realization that she did something that she couldn't take back and how easy it would have been to do even more serious thing that couldn't have been taken back.

BastilaBey wrote:@vaderito Yep, it all fits with the theme of balance in the ST.

And

MOYERS: What was it Jung said -- that the soul cannot exist in peace until it finds its other, and the other is always a you? Is that what the romantic --

CAMPBELL: Yes, exactly, romance. That's romance. That's what myth is all about.

I mean, come on now. Meeting 'the other', the opposite, Rey meeting the animus.

snufkin wrote:@Lily Snape, you've seen this, right?

Poe & Rey sing "Baby, it's cold outside."

Rey making the first move after Darth Boyfriend has been pining for her would make even more sense than in the PT. I sort of felt like Padme realized she could die w/out having that life experience and wanted marriage/babies pretty badly. Enough to make a bad choice and think that she could work it out with this guy. Rey seems more like it'd way more happen on her terms and he knows that she's not a pushover (while also being the kindest person in the galaxy).

Starchaser wrote:

And I'm positive that if they do go for Reylo (I'm 99% sure they will), it will be full blown Reylo in episode 8. I'm talking kisses and at least one fade to black. They're not going to go slow with this, there's no reason to, the insanity would be too entertaining. The buildup  might be slow, but they'll open up the gates of Reylo hell eventually. I know that many Reylo fans believe that they'll only get a kiss at the end of episode 9 (if they're lucky), but that would only be the case if Reylo would be the main purpose of the story. The battle between light and dark goes beyond what happens between 2 people, as important as they might be. They won't spend 2 movies making people wonder  "will they or won't they", the stakes are higher than that. The relationships will be well established at the beginning of episode 9, at this point everyone will fight to stay alive and, if they're lucky, together. This is when relationships are tested, while the battle between light and dark is at its worst.

I know that this might sound outrageous to many, and I blame the deranged people (can I say that?) who yell "Reylo is disgusting" every chance they get. After so many insults, even people who believe that Reylo will happen have started to think that the filmmakers won't have the guts to have Rey and Rey hugging or, god forbid, kissing. Because Kylo Ren is a crazy murderer who has to pay for his sins before getting a chance to be with Rey bla bla…..

Also, the pacing  of episode VII is so fast that most fans imagine that the entire trilogy will only span a few weeks at most. But episode 8 alone might cover months. And in the grand scheme of things, episode 7 is just an introduction. It set things in motion but it didn't decide anything. The events in episode 7  won't drive the entire trilogy, the story will become much more complex. The galaxy has bigger problems than Ren's redemption (which, by the way, I believe to be halfway there already) or whether Rey can love a murderer. It's the burning hate towards Reylo that makes it seem like such a big issue when it absolutely isn't. Ren isn't just a murderer, Rey isn't a holy golden soul, and getting them together would be extremely easy. And there's no way the filmmakers won't go there, it's the low hanging but GOLDEN apple. The tall, dark, handsome monster and the pretty ray of light that brightens the entire world. Song as old as time. Could it be MORE obvious? And I say this, when in doubt look at a gif of Ren taking off his helmet. All you see is LIPS. Those are there for a reason, they'll be put to good use. In episode 8. 

I'll stop here. My point is Rey feels bad about what she did to Ren so of course she's going to look back and hope he survives. I don't know if she would have taken him with her, I mean Chewbacca was there....but who knows, she's crazy enough to argue with an angry wookie :-) She has a bad temper and she was in shock, so anything is possible.

Starchaser wrote:

WhatGirl wrote:

Sylvia Snow wrote:

WhatGirl wrote:I'm thinking that Rey looked back because, maybe, if Hux hadn't come to get Kylo in time, she might've gone back for him. On the Falcon.

You don't stop and waste precious seconds on a collapsing planet to check if your 'enemy' is safe unless you intend on doing something about it if he isn't, tbh.

@WhatGirl

Oh God, Yes!!! I think just before she about to go on the Falcon, it's then that she think of Kylo whom she left on the other side. Now I want this situation happens again in episode 8 in a different way but this time she will come back for him

@Sylvia Snow

She hasn't been tested on this yet and I think she will be. In tfa there was no need for her to consider saving Kylo since Hux got there in time on Snoke's orders. But another situation will probably come along in which a choice will have to be made and there won't be anyone but Rey to bail him out. I have no evidence but I get the feeling that Kylo will not be left behind on Ahch-To if they need to evacuate for whatever reason.

@WhatGirl

About that…..  sorry if the conversation moved on, or if this point was already made, I haven't logged on for months so someone else might have discussed it before. But I think it's an interesting idea, so please bear with me.

I had a "revelation" today and now I'm positive that Rey looked back at Ren hoping that he'll survive. She needs him to survive in order to not become a monster herself.

Because what happens at the edge of the cliff is similar to what happened on the bridge. Only this time, Ren has taken Han's place and Rey has taken Ren's place.

Han asks Ren to come home despite what he did and what might have happened between the 2 of them. We know that Ren is not a psychopath, so it's safe to assume that he wouldn't kill his father just to appease Snoke. He has good reasons to despise his father, so something must have happened in the past. I'm not saying that Han deserved to die, of course not. But he wasn't completely innocent either. Anyway, Han doesn't care about the past and just wants his son back. And his son seems to understand him, and acts as if he might actually do it. Han trusts him when he grabs the lightsaber, but Ren is overcome by the dark side and betrays and kills his father. Yes, this was Ren's plan all along, but he was very conflicted, so there was a chance for him to go home.

Now onto the cliff. Ren asks Rey to be her teacher (in other words, to come with him) despite what has happened in the past. Rey ran away from him much like HE ran from his family, but he wants her back, just like his father did with him (parallel no 1).

Rey stops and focuses on the force, and (I believe) enters Ren's mind. This would explain why she was so good with a lightsaber all of a sudden. Also, why she opens her eyes with no traces of fear or hate. She saw inside his mind, she saw that he's not some creature consumed by darkness, she knows there's still light in there. She understands Ren and considers his offer, just like Ren did with his father (parallel no 2).

Then Rey remembers what happened in the past, and is overcome by anger and a desire for vengeance. Again, just like Ren did with his father (parallel no 3).

She's overcome by the dark side, and she attacks Ren. Before this Ren looks at her with trust, like his father did with him (parallel no 4). He believes that she might say yes, and he's shocked at what she does later.

And if Rey entered Ren's mind, it's because he let her. He wouldn't be taken by surprise again, he knows what he's dealing with this time. And this is much like Han grabbing Ren's lightsaber when he offered it, right before it was used against him (parallel no 5). Han trusted Ren to not ignite that lightsaber, Ren trusted Rey to not use his own mind against him.  

But she does, betraying him, like HE did with Han (parallel no 6).

Then she attacks him, defeats him, and comes close to killing him while he's defenseless. She stops herself in time, proving that's she's stronger (emotionally) than Ren. But not before she renders him completely helpless. Then the ground splits, and she comes back to her senses. The dark side is gone, and she's horrified by what she almost did, much like Ren after Han's death (parallel no 7). Meanwhile, Ren just looks at her, no trace of anger or resentment in his stare. He forgives her, just like Han did with him (parallel no .

And the reason why Rey is horrified is because she now understands how strong the dark side really is. How easily it can twist a person into becoming a cold blooded murderer. Despite how good and pure she is, she could have become a monster herself. She used Ren's own mind against him and hurt him when he was already disarmed and too tired to fight. If she would have killed him she would have effectively become him.

Of course, if Ren just left her alone, she wouldn't have ended up in that situation in the first place, so it's all his fault. But then again, if Han had left Ren alone, HE wouldn't have become a monster (parallel no 9). By the way, Snoke told Ren to bring the girl much like Leia told Han to bring her son (parallel no 10). And both of them failed miserably (parallel no 11).

But wait, there's more.

Like Han and Ren before her, Rey becomes a beseecher. She goes after Luke in order to bring him home (parallel no 12). Then she hands him the lighsaber like Ren did with Han (parallel no 13, although it's in reverse, here the beseecher hands the lightsaber). And if the story keeps rhyming from this point on, Rey will be rejected. She's about to find out what it's like to be left alone with the dark side and Snoke. I'm not saying that Luke will just tell her to go home. But he might not be willing to train her in the ways she needs it. He might not know how to deal  with someone who is surrounded by the dark side. WE KNOW he couldn't do it before, and it's possible that nothing changed. Lucky her, there's someone who can help with that. Rey broke the "beseecher dies" cycle when she decided against killing Ren, so when the time comes for her to be abandoned and (possibly) close to death, she'll have something to fall on.

And this will happen either if she likes it or not, even if she absolutely doesn't want Ren's help. If my theory is correct, Rey will never even think about killing Ren unless she absolutely has to, if he forces her into a corner and threatens her life. Last time she was close to doing that she almost fell to the dark side, and chances are she's traumatized. And I'm 100% sure Ren won't try to fight her (I have a theory on him too), so when he comes after her she'll be pretty much stuck with him.

Oh and another thing. If Ren goes to that island acting as if he's completely soulless and evil (and I believe he will, even though he won't attack Rey), Rey will believe that it's her fault, that she  indeed managed to kill him in a way. Which will only make her struggle with the dark side that more difficult. She left him on Starkiller with nowhere to go but back to Snoke, who, as far as she knows, might have snuffed out the light regardless of what Ren wanted.

This is why I believe that Rey will be the one to reach out to Ren mentally. He'll go after her physically, but she will be the one to initiate an emotional connection. She pretty much has to, she has to prove that he's not gone, mostly to herself. Many believe that if Reylo will happen it will be because Ren manages to wear Rey down by bombarding her mind, but I'm sure it will be the other way around. Rey will go in looking for the light and it will backfire spectacularly. Ren will be the reluctant one, SHE will wear HIM down. Let's see people yelling "Rey is a victim!!" then.

And I'm positive that if they do go for Reylo (I'm 99% sure they will), it will be full blown Reylo in episode 8. I'm talking kisses and at least one fade to black. They're not going to go slow with this, there's no reason to, the insanity would be too entertaining. The buildup  might be slow, but they'll open up the gates of Reylo hell eventually. I know that many Reylo fans believe that they'll only get a kiss at the end of episode 9 (if they're lucky), but that would only be the case if Reylo would be the main purpose of the story. The battle between light and dark goes beyond what happens between 2 people, as important as they might be. They won't spend 2 movies making people wonder  "will they or won't they", the stakes are higher than that. The relationships will be well established at the beginning of episode 9, at this point everyone will fight to stay alive and, if they're lucky, together. This is when relationships are tested, while the battle between light and dark is at its worst.

I know that this might sound outrageous to many, and I blame the deranged people (can I say that?) who yell "Reylo is disgusting" every chance they get. After so many insults, even people who believe that Reylo will happen have started to think that the filmmakers won't have the guts to have Rey and Rey hugging or, god forbid, kissing. Because Kylo Ren is a crazy murderer who has to pay for his sins before getting a chance to be with Rey bla bla…..

Also, the pacing  of episode VII is so fast that most fans imagine that the entire trilogy will only span a few weeks at most. But episode 8 alone might cover months. And in the grand scheme of things, episode 7 is just an introduction. It set things in motion but it didn't decide anything. The events in episode 7  won't drive the entire trilogy, the story will become much more complex. The galaxy has bigger problems than Ren's redemption (which, by the way, I believe to be halfway there already) or whether Rey can love a murderer. It's the burning hate towards Reylo that makes it seem like such a big issue when it absolutely isn't. Ren isn't just a murderer, Rey isn't a holy golden soul, and getting them together would be extremely easy. And there's no way the filmmakers won't go there, it's the low hanging but GOLDEN apple. The tall, dark, handsome monster and the pretty ray of light that brightens the entire world. Song as old as time. Could it be MORE obvious? And I say this, when in doubt look at a gif of Ren taking off his helmet. All you see is LIPS. Those are there for a reason, they'll be put to good use. In episode 8. 

I'll stop here. My point is Rey feels bad about what she did to Ren so of course she's going to look back and hope he survives. I don't know if she would have taken him with her, I mean Chewbacca was there....but who knows, she's crazy enough to argue with an angry wookie :-) She has a bad temper and she was in shock, so anything is possible.

Starchaser wrote:

WhatGirl wrote:

Sylvia Snow wrote:

WhatGirl wrote:I'm thinking that Rey looked back because, maybe, if Hux hadn't come to get Kylo in time, she might've gone back for him. On the Falcon.

You don't stop and waste precious seconds on a collapsing planet to check if your 'enemy' is safe unless you intend on doing something about it if he isn't, tbh.

@WhatGirl

Oh God, Yes!!! I think just before she about to go on the Falcon, it's then that she think of Kylo whom she left on the other side. Now I want this situation happens again in episode 8 in a different way but this time she will come back for him

@Sylvia Snow

She hasn't been tested on this yet and I think she will be. In tfa there was no need for her to consider saving Kylo since Hux got there in time on Snoke's orders. But another situation will probably come along in which a choice will have to be made and there won't be anyone but Rey to bail him out. I have no evidence but I get the feeling that Kylo will not be left behind on Ahch-To if they need to evacuate for whatever reason.

@WhatGirl

About that…..  sorry if the conversation moved on, or if this point was already made, I haven't logged on for months so someone else might have discussed it before. But I think it's an interesting idea, so please bear with me.

I had a "revelation" today and now I'm positive that Rey looked back at Ren hoping that he'll survive. She needs him to survive in order to not become a monster herself.

Because what happens at the edge of the cliff is similar to what happened on the bridge. Only this time, Ren has taken Han's place and Rey has taken Ren's place.

Han asks Ren to come home despite what he did and what might have happened between the 2 of them. We know that Ren is not a psychopath, so it's safe to assume that he wouldn't kill his father just to appease Snoke. He has good reasons to despise his father, so something must have happened in the past. I'm not saying that Han deserved to die, of course not. But he wasn't completely innocent either. Anyway, Han doesn't care about the past and just wants his son back. And his son seems to understand him, and acts as if he might actually do it. Han trusts him when he grabs the lightsaber, but Ren is overcome by the dark side and betrays and kills his father. Yes, this was Ren's plan all along, but he was very conflicted, so there was a chance for him to go home.

Now onto the cliff. Ren asks Rey to be her teacher (in other words, to come with him) despite what has happened in the past. Rey ran away from him much like HE ran from his family, but he wants her back, just like his father did with him (parallel no 1).

Rey stops and focuses on the force, and (I believe) enters Ren's mind. This would explain why she was so good with a lightsaber all of a sudden. Also, why she opens her eyes with no traces of fear or hate. She saw inside his mind, she saw that he's not some creature consumed by darkness, she knows there's still light in there. She understands Ren and considers his offer, just like Ren did with his father (parallel no 2).

Then Rey remembers what happened in the past, and is overcome by anger and a desire for vengeance. Again, just like Ren did with his father (parallel no 3).

She's overcome by the dark side, and she attacks Ren. Before this Ren looks at her with trust, like his father did with him (parallel no 4). He believes that she might say yes, and he's shocked at what she does later.

And if Rey entered Ren's mind, it's because he let her. He wouldn't be taken by surprise again, he knows what he's dealing with this time. And this is much like Han grabbing Ren's lightsaber when he offered it, right before it was used against him (parallel no 5). Han trusted Ren to not ignite that lightsaber, Ren trusted Rey to not use his own mind against him.  

But she does, betraying him, like HE did with Han (parallel no 6).

Then she attacks him, defeats him, and comes close to killing him while he's defenseless. She stops herself in time, proving that's she's stronger (emotionally) than Ren. But not before she renders him completely helpless. Then the ground splits, and she comes back to her senses. The dark side is gone, and she's horrified by what she almost did, much like Ren after Han's death (parallel no 7). Meanwhile, Ren just looks at her, no trace of anger or resentment in his stare. He forgives her, just like Han did with him (parallel no .

And the reason why Rey is horrified is because she now understands how strong the dark side really is. How easily it can twist a person into becoming a cold blooded murderer. Despite how good and pure she is, she could have become a monster herself. She used Ren's own mind against him and hurt him when he was already disarmed and too tired to fight. If she would have killed him she would have effectively become him.

Of course, if Ren just left her alone, she wouldn't have ended up in that situation in the first place, so it's all his fault. But then again, if Han had left Ren alone, HE wouldn't have become a monster (parallel no 9). By the way, Snoke told Ren to bring the girl much like Leia told Han to bring her son (parallel no 10). And both of them failed miserably (parallel no 11).

But wait, there's more.

Like Han and Ren before her, Rey becomes a beseecher. She goes after Luke in order to bring him home (parallel no 12). Then she hands him the lighsaber like Ren did with Han (parallel no 13, although it's in reverse, here the beseecher hands the lightsaber). And if the story keeps rhyming from this point on, Rey will be rejected. She's about to find out what it's like to be left alone with the dark side and Snoke. I'm not saying that Luke will just tell her to go home. But he might not be willing to train her in the ways she needs it. He might not know how to deal  with someone who is surrounded by the dark side. WE KNOW he couldn't do it before, and it's possible that nothing changed. Lucky her, there's someone who can help with that. Rey broke the "beseecher dies" cycle when she decided against killing Ren, so when the time comes for her to be abandoned and (possibly) close to death, she'll have something to fall on.

And this will happen either if she likes it or not, even if she absolutely doesn't want Ren's help. If my theory is correct, Rey will never even think about killing Ren unless she absolutely has to, if he forces her into a corner and threatens her life. Last time she was close to doing that she almost fell to the dark side, and chances are she's traumatized. And I'm 100% sure Ren won't try to fight her (I have a theory on him too), so when he comes after her she'll be pretty much stuck with him.

Oh and another thing. If Ren goes to that island acting as if he's completely soulless and evil (and I believe he will, even though he won't attack Rey), Rey will believe that it's her fault, that she  indeed managed to kill him in a way. Which will only make her struggle with the dark side that more difficult. She left him on Starkiller with nowhere to go but back to Snoke, who, as far as she knows, might have snuffed out the light regardless of what Ren wanted.

This is why I believe that Rey will be the one to reach out to Ren mentally. He'll go after her physically, but she will be the one to initiate an emotional connection. She pretty much has to, she has to prove that he's not gone, mostly to herself. Many believe that if Reylo will happen it will be because Ren manages to wear Rey down by bombarding her mind, but I'm sure it will be the other way around. Rey will go in looking for the light and it will backfire spectacularly. Ren will be the reluctant one, SHE will wear HIM down. Let's see people yelling "Rey is a victim!!" then.

And I'm positive that if they do go for Reylo (I'm 99% sure they will), it will be full blown Reylo in episode 8. I'm talking kisses and at least one fade to black. They're not going to go slow with this, there's no reason to, the insanity would be too entertaining. The buildup  might be slow, but they'll open up the gates of Reylo hell eventually. I know that many Reylo fans believe that they'll only get a kiss at the end of episode 9 (if they're lucky), but that would only be the case if Reylo would be the main purpose of the story. The battle between light and dark goes beyond what happens between 2 people, as important as they might be. They won't spend 2 movies making people wonder  "will they or won't they", the stakes are higher than that. The relationships will be well established at the beginning of episode 9, at this point everyone will fight to stay alive and, if they're lucky, together. This is when relationships are tested, while the battle between light and dark is at its worst.

I know that this might sound outrageous to many, and I blame the deranged people (can I say that?) who yell "Reylo is disgusting" every chance they get. After so many insults, even people who believe that Reylo will happen have started to think that the filmmakers won't have the guts to have Rey and Rey hugging or, god forbid, kissing. Because Kylo Ren is a crazy murderer who has to pay for his sins before getting a chance to be with Rey bla bla…..

Also, the pacing  of episode VII is so fast that most fans imagine that the entire trilogy will only span a few weeks at most. But episode 8 alone might cover months. And in the grand scheme of things, episode 7 is just an introduction. It set things in motion but it didn't decide anything. The events in episode 7  won't drive the entire trilogy, the story will become much more complex. The galaxy has bigger problems than Ren's redemption (which, by the way, I believe to be halfway there already) or whether Rey can love a murderer. It's the burning hate towards Reylo that makes it seem like such a big issue when it absolutely isn't. Ren isn't just a murderer, Rey isn't a holy golden soul, and getting them together would be extremely easy. And there's no way the filmmakers won't go there, it's the low hanging but GOLDEN apple. The tall, dark, handsome monster and the pretty ray of light that brightens the entire world. Song as old as time. Could it be MORE obvious? And I say this, when in doubt look at a gif of Ren taking off his helmet. All you see is LIPS. Those are there for a reason, they'll be put to good use. In episode 8. 

I'll stop here. My point is Rey feels bad about what she did to Ren so of course she's going to look back and hope he survives. I don't know if she would have taken him with her, I mean Chewbacca was there....but who knows, she's crazy enough to argue with an angry wookie :-) She has a bad temper and she was in shock, so anything is possible.

Saracene wrote:Personally I thought that Rey's looking back is far too quick to be anything truly meaningful. It comes off more like a "is anyone following us" gesture. I'm also not convinced that Rey feels any guilt about beating Kylo down. She has precisely zero reasons to feel sympathetic towards him at this point, and while the book has that bit about her hearing Snoke's voice in her head, it's not in the film.

Saracene wrote:Personally I thought that Rey's looking back is far too quick to be anything truly meaningful. It comes off more like a "is anyone following us" gesture. I'm also not convinced that Rey feels any guilt about beating Kylo down. She has precisely zero reasons to feel sympathetic towards him at this point, and while the book has that bit about her hearing Snoke's voice in her head, it's not in the film.

vaderito wrote:

Saracene wrote:Personally I thought that Rey's looking back is far too quick to be anything truly meaningful. It comes off more like a "is anyone following us" gesture. I'm also not convinced that Rey feels any guilt about beating Kylo down. She has precisely zero reasons to feel sympathetic towards him at this point, and while the book has that bit about her hearing Snoke's voice in her head, it's not in the film.

@Saracene

Oh, I picked up on it right away and novelization (kids or ADF) says she looked back for Kylo. I don't think she expected him to follow them and since the forest was empty she definitely didn't expect anyone else. It was concern.

vaderito wrote:@Saracene I think there's a reason. Ground opened between them and she saw he was wounded but couldn't see how badly though obviously bad. he's Han's son so that fact wasn't lost on her. Also, she couldn't give it a long look back since the planet was crumbling and Finn needed immediate medical attention. But they didn't have to show that she looked back. Chewie didn't.

WhatGirl wrote:

vaderito wrote:@Saracene I think there's a reason. Ground opened between them and she saw he was wounded but couldn't see how badly though obviously bad. he's Han's son so that fact wasn't lost on her. Also, she couldn't give it a long look back since the planet was crumbling and Finn needed immediate medical attention. But they didn't have to show that she looked back. Chewie didn't.

@vaderito

imo the ground opening up was the Force saying "Since you kids won't play nicely, I'm just going to separate you two."

I like to think of it as a Gap of Obvious Symbolism

reylo1992 wrote:@Saracene

I would add to what @vaderito wrote that the junior novelization precises that she "glance[d] back to Kylo", not Kylo Ren or Ren but Kylo. I think this is a small but important detail because if I remember well he is always referred as Kylo Ren or Ren but never as Kylo in both novelizations. By calling him with his first name at that precise moment, the writer probably wanted to suggest some new proximity between them but in a subtle way and I think that so did the film. That's why, it may be the reason why they didn't film her face in close-up but rather showed her glance back very briefly, far from the camera and with some hard clue to notice  for the audience (the heartbeat).

WhatGirl wrote:

vaderito wrote:@Saracene I think there's a reason. Ground opened between them and she saw he was wounded but couldn't see how badly though obviously bad. he's Han's son so that fact wasn't lost on her. Also, she couldn't give it a long look back since the planet was crumbling and Finn needed immediate medical attention. But they didn't have to show that she looked back. Chewie didn't.

@vaderito

imo the ground opening up was the Force saying "Since you kids won't play nicely, I'm just going to separate you two."

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:I'm not sure what Rey's glance back was about but I'm not sold on it being a sign of concern for Kylo. At the very least, she might not have wanted his death on her conscience given that she'd just stopped herself from killing him. If there's a force bond in play then I could accept it as evidence for that when watched in retrospect.

I tend not to give weight to anything in the novelisations because if it's not on screen it can't be vital to the story. The general audience will only be concerned with the movie and anything not heavily signposted will go over a lot of people's heads. People tend to cherry pick parts of the novelisations as evidence for Reylo and disregard other parts that might lend credence to other theories. I will go with what's on screen as that is 100% canon.