Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors (the "now it's permanent" spoilers thread)

[Kylo Men]

What were the details of the SD above Crait rumor? There were two or three that were close. Is there a link?

[Guest]

There are other gaps that need to be filled.

Finn, Rose and BB8 go on a mission to Canto Bight.

Then we see BB8 with MF on Crait I presume cause white ground and Rey is on Crait. So Finn and Rose dropped him off and left for Snoke's SD or? They are not the part of Crait ground set (but neither is Leia who should be there).

Though it makes sense that Finn and Rose would not take BB8 with them for infiltration.

And there's a scene in shareholder's footage where Poe yells to BB8 "it's now or never" and flies into a starship's hangar. So is that during the battle of D'Qar or how he and BB8 end up on Snoke's SD if Reddit rumor is true? Snoke's SD is fighting above Crait as per Lego box.

Also, where is Luke? There wa sa talk about Kylo/Luke/TIE set. So does Luke leave with Kylo in his TIE and Rey on MF with Chewie&R2? Cause Kylo set that leaked today is not Kylo/Luke one.

@vaderito

I assume Finn, Rose and BB8 rendezvous with the Resistance again after the Canto Bight mission. Poe and BB8 are reunited for their Crait mission while Finn and Rose go to infiltrate the FO aboard the Star Destroyer.

Rey could leave Ahch-To with Chewie in the Falcon to go to Crait. Maybe she gets the information about the attack there from Kylo's mind or he tells her about it for some reason.

The Luke, Kylo and his TIE Fighter set is very intriguing. There are so many scenarios it could cover such as Luke being the one to bring down Kylo's ship on Ahch-To, or Kylo taking Luke prisoner, or Luke going with Kylo voluntarily to get to Snoke (as MSW rumour said Luke goes after Snoke) or maybe Luke incapacitates Kylo in some way and uses his ship to take him back to Leia. There are so many possibilities!

[ReyofLightSide]

Not exactly a spoiler, but Real Reylo Barbie and Ken are here!

@vaderito

LMAO, do they seriously include *detachable hands*? They are taking the Skywalker Special too far!  

Do the dolls come in a set?  The packaging fits together....."two disparate pieces"

[Lily Snape]

There are other gaps that need to be filled.

Finn, Rose and BB8 go on a mission to Canto Bight.

Then we see BB8 with MF on Crait I presume cause white ground and Rey is on Crait. So Finn and Rose dropped him off and left for Snoke's SD or? They are not the part of Crait ground set (but neither is Leia who should be there).

Though it makes sense that Finn and Rose would not take BB8 with them for infiltration.

And there's a scene in shareholder's footage where Poe yells to BB8 "it's now or never" and flies into a starship's hangar. So is that during the battle of D'Qar or how he and BB8 end up on Snoke's SD if Reddit rumor is true? Snoke's SD is fighting above Crait as per Lego box.

Also, where is Luke? There wa sa talk about Kylo/Luke/TIE set. So does Luke leave with Kylo in his TIE and Rey on MF with Chewie&R2? Cause Kylo set that leaked today is not Kylo/Luke one.

@vaderito

I assume Finn, Rose and BB8 rendezvous with the Resistance again after the Canto Bight mission. Poe and BB8 are reunited for their Crait mission while Finn and Rose go to infiltrate the FO aboard the Star Destroyer.

Rey could leave Ahch-To with Chewie in the Falcon to go to Crait. Maybe she gets the information about the attack there from Kylo's mind or he tells her about it for some reason.

The Luke, Kylo and his TIE Fighter set is very intriguing. There are so many scenarios it could cover such as Luke being the one to bring down Kylo's ship on Ahch-To, or Kylo taking Luke prisoner, or Luke going with Kylo voluntarily to get to Snoke (as MSW rumour said Luke goes after Snoke) or maybe Luke incapacitates Kylo in some way and uses his ship to take him back to Leia. There are so many possibilities!

@Mrs Ben Solo

I'm still waiting for the Rey-Kylo-Jedi/Sith artifacts "Field Trip with Zuko" set.  

[DarthRen]

If Crait is third act, first act probably no Kylo and Rey scenes, well it doesn't look from the little what we know that they'll be spending much of time together.

[vaderito]

The thing is, scenes don't last too long, so they can go from D'Qar to Ahch-to to Canto Bight to anywhere else within minutes. You can cram up a lot in a relatively short time. So we'll see. Sets showed nothing of Ahch-to and Rey and Kylo do have scenes so that's that.

but, basically, they'll have scenes on Ahch-to in the second act and Crait or SD in the third act. You cna't have the finale without them.

[Reylo Lemon]

Not exactly a spoiler, but Real Reylo Barbie and Ken are here!

@vaderito

LMAO, do they seriously include *detachable hands*? They are taking the Skywalker Special too far!  

Do the dolls come in a set?  The packaging fits together....."two disparate pieces"

@ReyofLightSide

REYLO AF

[bossbaby]

If Crait is third act, first act probably no Kylo and Rey scenes, well it doesn't look from the little what we know that they'll be spending much of time together.

@DarthRen

Aside from training with Luke, though, Rey's 2nd Act on Ach-to is largely a mystery. And Kylo's 2nd Act is even more of a mystery.

And a 2nd act is actually a decent chunk of time for two characters to spend together. That's the equivalent of all the bonding Rey and Finn did in TFA from their first meeting on Jakku until Rey's abduction.

Also, if the Rey/Kylo fight is not a vision, it has to be in the 2nd Act.

Plus, there has to be more to Act 2 on Ach-to than just training and fighting. If Finn and Rose are running around Canto Bight, rendezvousing with the Resistance on Crait, AND infiltrating Snoke's ship all in just the second act, Rey has to be doing at least half as much in all that time.

All we can really surmise at this point is:

Act I-

Rey: Gets acquainted with Ach-to, is with Luke  
Finn: Recuperates > Escapes D'Qar with Rose
Kylo: Recuperates > Fights at D'Qar
Poe: Fights at D'Qar

Act II-

Rey: Trains on Ach-to
Finn: Canto Bight > Bomb sequence on Snoke's command ship
Kylo: Fights Rey on Ach-to
Poe: ?

Act III-

Rey: Leaves Ach-to in Falcon with Chewie > Fights on Crait
Finn: Fights Phasma, location uncertain Snoke's SD
Kylo: ?
Poe: Fights on Crait

[vaderito]

@bossbaby Good points. BTW, Finn fights Phasma on Snoke's destroyer.

[bossbaby]

@bossbaby Good points. BTW, Finn fights Phasma on Snoke's destroyer.

@vaderito

You're right, I'd forgotten that Phasma was confirmed to be in the bomb sequence.

[SheLitAFire]

If Crait is third act, first act probably no Kylo and Rey scenes, well it doesn't look from the little what we know that they'll be spending much of time together.

@DarthRen

Aside from training with Luke, though, Rey's 2nd Act on Ach-to is largely a mystery. And Kylo's 2nd Act is even more of a mystery.

And a 2nd act is actually a decent chunk of time for two characters to spend together. That's the equivalent of all the bonding Rey and Finn did in TFA from their first meeting on Jakku until Rey's abduction.

Also, if the Rey/Kylo fight is not a vision, it has to be in the 2nd Act.

Plus, there has to be more to Act 2 on Ach-to than just training and fighting. If Finn and Rose are running around Canto Bight, rendezvousing with the Resistance on Crait, AND infiltrating Snoke's ship all in just the second act, Rey has to be doing at least half as much in all that time.

All we can really surmise at this point is:

Act I-

Rey: Gets acquainted with Ach-to, is with Luke  
Finn: Recuperates > Escapes D'Qar with Rose
Kylo: Recuperates > Fights at D'Qar
Poe: Fights at D'Qar

Act II-

Rey: Trains on Ach-to
Finn: Canto Bight > Bomb sequence on Snoke's command ship
Kylo: Fights Rey on Ach-to
Poe: ?

Act III-

Rey: Leaves Ach-to in Falcon with Chewie > Fights on Crait
Finn: Fights Phasma, location uncertain Snoke's SD
Kylo: ?
Poe: Fights on Crait

@bossbaby

So it doesn't seem likely anymore that Rey and Kylo go off together at some point in Act 2 or 3? Sad.

[bossbaby]

If Crait is third act, first act probably no Kylo and Rey scenes, well it doesn't look from the little what we know that they'll be spending much of time together.

@DarthRen

Aside from training with Luke, though, Rey's 2nd Act on Ach-to is largely a mystery. And Kylo's 2nd Act is even more of a mystery.

And a 2nd act is actually a decent chunk of time for two characters to spend together. That's the equivalent of all the bonding Rey and Finn did in TFA from their first meeting on Jakku until Rey's abduction.

Also, if the Rey/Kylo fight is not a vision, it has to be in the 2nd Act.

Plus, there has to be more to Act 2 on Ach-to than just training and fighting. If Finn and Rose are running around Canto Bight, rendezvousing with the Resistance on Crait, AND infiltrating Snoke's ship all in just the second act, Rey has to be doing at least half as much in all that time.

All we can really surmise at this point is:

Act I-

Rey: Gets acquainted with Ach-to, is with Luke  
Finn: Recuperates > Escapes D'Qar with Rose
Kylo: Recuperates > Fights at D'Qar
Poe: Fights at D'Qar

Act II-

Rey: Trains on Ach-to
Finn: Canto Bight > Bomb sequence on Snoke's command ship
Kylo: Fights Rey on Ach-to
Poe: ?

Act III-

Rey: Leaves Ach-to in Falcon with Chewie > Fights on Crait
Finn: Fights Phasma, location uncertain Snoke's SD
Kylo: ?
Poe: Fights on Crait

@bossbaby

So it doesn't seem likely anymore that Rey and Kylo go off together at some point in Act 2 or 3?  Sad.

@SheLitAFire

We know so little about what Rey and Kylo do in Act 2, and nothing about what Kylo does in 3.

They are really keeping Act 3 Kylo shrouded in mystery.

ETA: Remember, these leaks are the Force Friday lego sets, which means they are designed not to spoil. They are the equivalent of all those Rey toys sans lightsaber.

Which means they don't consider the Rey-on-Crait reveal or the Finn-and-Rose-in-transport reveals to be too spoilery to release before the movie comes out.

But they DO consider everything on Ach-to plus Kylo's 3rd Act location to be too spoilery to reveal in September.

[vaderito]

@bossbaby That's right. Location isn't spoilery, but relationships are. especially protagonist/antagonist. It isn't a spoiler when 2 or more good guys appear together or 2 or more bad guys. And their vehicles, etc. But it's a spoiler when there's a mix and even that has rankings. For example, Hux on Crait doesn't carry the same weight as Kylo on Ahch-to or any combination of Rey/Kylo/Luke/Snoke. So you can show that Rey and Hux are on crait in the first wave of lego sets, but hold back on really juicy stuff.

[IoJovi]

@bossbaby That's right. Location isn't spoilery, but relationships are. especially protagonist/antagonist. It isn't a spoiler when 2 or more good guys appear together or 2 or more bad guys. And their vehicles, etc. But it's a spoiler when there's a mix and even that has rankings. For example, Hux on Crait doesn't carry the same weight as Kylo on Ahch-to or any combination of Rey/Kylo/Luke/Snoke. So you can show that Rey and Hux are on crait in the first wave of lego sets, but hold back on really juicy stuff.

@vaderito

Exactly. What these aren't going to give away are character relationships or the exact context of character interactions. While I'm thinking these are about 90% accurate as to who shares scenes together, we're going to get one offs like Kylo and Finn being shown together in the TFA Takadona set, even though they never interacted once.

As far as Rey going off with Kylo in the end (or possibly leaving to save him), that is still very much on the table. One thing that's very encouraging about these sets is that with Kylo, he's only by himself in the tie fighter. A random ST and an evil BB8 don't really count as company...

[Guest]

I've been pondering on the spoiler about Leia using the force to save herself during an attack, presumably it's the one near the start of the movie on D'Qar. It could be her using it to hold back falling walls/ceiling to keep from being crushed to death, but I also wonder if she senses Kylo there and communicates with him through the force. Maybe hearing his mother's voice snaps him out of the rage/lust for vengeance Snoke has fuelled in him and he realises he's in danger of losing his only surviving parent. It's only speculation on my part but it could be that he leaves the D'Qar fight and heads for Ahch-To. Perhaps (if there is a force bond with Rey) he senses something from her, if she and Luke can feel Leia is in danger through the force.

[Cowgirlsamurai]

I've been pondering on the spoiler about Leia using the force to save herself during an attack, presumably it's the one near the start of the movie on D'Qar. It could be her using it to hold back falling walls/ceiling to keep from being crushed to death, but I also wonder if she senses Kylo there and communicates with him through the force. Maybe hearing his mother's voice snaps him out of the rage/lust for vengeance Snoke has fuelled in him and he realises he's in danger of losing his only surviving parent. It's only speculation on my part but it could be that he leaves the D'Qar fight and heads for Ahch-To. Perhaps (if there is a force bond with Rey) he senses something from her, if she and Luke can feel Leia is in danger through the force.

@Mrs Ben Solo

Could be... I'd love to see Leia show some Force ability, but communicating with Kylo makes sense too. It's be hilarious if she was like, "Ben, cut this Kylo Ren bull**** and come home before I sic the scavenger on you again."

It's also been speculated by someone here that maybe he obtains the actual map to Ahch-To on D'Qar.

Edit: Maybe it was you! I can't find it again. All these TLJ speculation threads are running together in my mind

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