ARCHIVE: Rey's Lineage Discussion - 1

I suspect Prana will turn out to be "somebody" because of his name, but the main reason why I think he's a candidate for being Rey's family (if not father) is that he was mentioned in TFA. Right now I can't think of anyone else who was alluded to in the film in the same oblique way? Rey's parentage was definitely set up as a mystery, and I personally don't think she's a completely random random; I'm pretty sure her parentage will be connected to the plot of this trilogy somehow. As Rey's origin was set up as a mystery, it would be a bit odd if she was really "random" (in the context of the ST) or if there were no hints in TFA at all.

Why not a hint hidden in plain sight, then? Most viewers aren't going to pay any attention to the mention of King Prana - though the fact that we know him by his rathtars is already kind of ominous. If he is, as his name implies, a Force-sensitive king, I could see him being a darksider. If Dubrovnik happens to be Prana's planet, and Finn and KMT are looking for something there, the chances are that he's connected to the First Order.

Darth Dingbat wrote:I suspect Prana will turn out to be "somebody" because of his name, but the main reason why I think he's a candidate for being Rey's family (if not father) is that he was mentioned in TFA. Right now I can't think of anyone else who was alluded to in the film in the same oblique way? Rey's parentage was definitely set up as a mystery, and I personally don't think she's a completely random random; I'm pretty sure her parentage will be connected to the plot of this trilogy somehow. As Rey's origin was set up as a mystery, it would be a bit odd if she was really "random" (in the context of the ST) or if there were no hints in TFA at all.

Why not a hint hidden in plain sight, then? Most viewers aren't going to pay any attention to the mention of King Prana - though the fact that we know him by his rathtars is already kind of ominous. If he is, as his name implies, a Force-sensitive king, I could see him being a darksider. If Dubrovnik happens to be Prana's planet, and Finn and KMT are looking for something there, the chances are that he's connected to the First Order.

@Darth Dingbat
Knights also work for Kings. The Knights of Ren may have something to do with King Prana as well.

Is King Prana the guy Han Solo was delivering the Rathars to?

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:I suspect Prana will turn out to be "somebody" because of his name, but the main reason why I think he's a candidate for being Rey's family (if not father) is that he was mentioned in TFA. Right now I can't think of anyone else who was alluded to in the film in the same oblique way? Rey's parentage was definitely set up as a mystery, and I personally don't think she's a completely random random; I'm pretty sure her parentage will be connected to the plot of this trilogy somehow. As Rey's origin was set up as a mystery, it would be a bit odd if she was really "random" (in the context of the ST) or if there were no hints in TFA at all.

Why not a hint hidden in plain sight, then? Most viewers aren't going to pay any attention to the mention of King Prana - though the fact that we know him by his rathtars is already kind of ominous. If he is, as his name implies, a Force-sensitive king, I could see him being a darksider. If Dubrovnik happens to be Prana's planet, and Finn and KMT are looking for something there, the chances are that he's connected to the First Order.

@Darth Dingbat
Knights also work for Kings. The Knights of Ren may have something to do with King Prana as well.

@FrolickingFizzgig

That's a REALLY good point!

Also, I wanted to mention the concept of "King Prana" as I don't think I've ever mentioned it on this forum. As you all probably know already, "prana" is a Sanskrit word that means "life force" or "cosmic energy" - basically the same thing as the Force. On top of this, "King Prana" is actually a mythological concept in itself. The texts I read about it were really complicated and frankly I didn't understand half of it, but basically, "King Prana" is a sort of cosmic metaphor for earthly kingship: "King Prana" being a universal ruler who reigns over all living beings.

That just might imply something about King Prana's plans in the GFFA... who knows, perhaps Snoke is using and manipulating him just as he's using and manipulating Kylo - only in Prana's case, he might manipulate him through his ambition.

Little_Boots wrote:Is King Prana the guy Han Solo was delivering the Rathars to?

@Little_Boots

Yep, same guy.

In the novel Prana's name is mentioned several times. Even Maz tells Han, "King Prana is not happy."

Darth Dingbat wrote:

Little_Boots wrote:Is King Prana the guy Han Solo was delivering the Rathars to?

@Little_Boots

Yep, same guy.

In the novel Prana's name is mentioned several times. Even Maz tells Han, "King Prana is not pleased."

@Darth Dingbat

Yea know what though. I did notice the King Prana line from Han the other night and was thinking about my theory I had awhile back that Rey might be a Princess. I never thought more about it because he was mentioned once but now that he's mentioned more than once in the book, that's very interesting indeed! I have a feeling we will definitely be hearing more about this guy.

Oh and it could be that Kylo maybe did know of Rey. If he works for Prana as Fizz said Knights work for kings

Darth Dingbat wrote:

Little_Boots wrote:Is King Prana the guy Han Solo was delivering the Rathars to?

@Little_Boots

Yep, same guy.

In the novel Prana's name is mentioned several times. Even Maz tells Han, "King Prana is not pleased."

@Darth Dingbat
Yep, definite foreshadowing. It's one of those blink-and-you-miss-it things that will likely end up being really important. Positing the possibility of a connection between Rey's lineage, Prana, the Knights of Ren and the First Order is far from nonsensical. In the end it always comes back to Kylo, and Kylo will have to be in some way connected to Rey's past, even if it's just through the individual in charge of the Knights of Ren.

Also we've all been theorizing that Rey being a lost princess would make a lot of sense for a fairytale like this. It adds a new layer to Kylo's status as a knight.

Little_Boots wrote:Oh and it could be that Kylo maybe did know of Rey. If he works for Prana as Fizz said Knights work for kings

@Little_Boots
I don't think he met her personally before The Force Awakens because it doesn't fit with the timeline. The massacre happened years after Rey's abandonment, which means Ren's fall to the Dark Side also happened when she was already on Jakku.

Kylo very likely knows what happened to her parents, even if he doesn't know he knows.

Darth Dingbat wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

Darth Dingbat wrote:I suspect Prana will turn out to be "somebody" because of his name, but the main reason why I think he's a candidate for being Rey's family (if not father) is that he was mentioned in TFA. Right now I can't think of anyone else who was alluded to in the film in the same oblique way? Rey's parentage was definitely set up as a mystery, and I personally don't think she's a completely random random; I'm pretty sure her parentage will be connected to the plot of this trilogy somehow. As Rey's origin was set up as a mystery, it would be a bit odd if she was really "random" (in the context of the ST) or if there were no hints in TFA at all.

Why not a hint hidden in plain sight, then? Most viewers aren't going to pay any attention to the mention of King Prana - though the fact that we know him by his rathtars is already kind of ominous. If he is, as his name implies, a Force-sensitive king, I could see him being a darksider. If Dubrovnik happens to be Prana's planet, and Finn and KMT are looking for something there, the chances are that he's connected to the First Order.

@Darth Dingbat
Knights also work for Kings. The Knights of Ren may have something to do with King Prana as well.

@FrolickingFizzgig

That's a REALLY good point!

Also, I wanted to mention the concept of "King Prana" as I don't think I've ever mentioned it on this forum. As you all probably know already, "prana" is a Sanskrit word that means "life force" or "cosmic energy" - basically the same thing as the Force. On top of this, "King Prana" is actually a mythological concept in itself. The texts I read about it were really complicated and frankly I didn't understand half of it, but basically, "King Prana" is a sort of cosmic metaphor for earthly kingship: "King Prana" being a universal ruler who reigns over all living beings.

That just might imply something about King Prana's plans in the GFFA... who knows, perhaps Snoke is using and manipulating him just as he's using and manipulating Kylo - only in Prana's case, he might manipulate him through his ambition.

@Darth Dingbat

I like this theory!

Yes - even before I considered Prana at all, I thought of the possibility of Rey as a lost princess. That's why I thought Rey Palpatine might be a possibility (still do, just... I don't know how they'd pull it off without running into the same problems as with Rey Kenobi, etc).

"Rey" literally means "king", and the earlier name, Kira, means "ruler". Daisy had a dialect coach to make Rey's accent posher than Daisy's is in real life. And like I said, intriguingly enough, Jett Lucas compared TFA to Anastasia - which is like the ultimate "lost princess" story. I honestly don't know how much the Lucases might now about the plot. I assume George isn't entirely in the dark.

And of course, Rey would be a legit Disney princess...

The Knights of Ren/King Prana connection really clicked for me. Why mention a King several times and also place heavy emphasis on Kylo being the leader of a group of knights if the two have no relation whatsoever? In real-life it could be a coincidence, but the world of a film is only as big as the writers choose to make it. Mentions of such medieval themes like kings and knights tells me the two are bound to have something to do with each other.

Makes me wonder if Han was on his own inside mission...

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:The Knights of Ren/King Prana connection really clicked for me. Why mention a King several times and also place heavy emphasis on Kylo being the leader of the Knights of Ren if the two have no relation whatsoever? In real-life it could be a coincidence, but the world of a film is only as big as the writers choose to make it. Mentions of such medieval themes like kings and knights tells me the two are bound to have something to do with each other.

Makes me wonder if Han was on his own inside mission...

@FrolickingFizzgig

OK I won't have my Blu-Ray until Monday, so let me just ask this: Is King Prana mentioned in the film or the novel, or both? Because this is actually the first time I've heard of him so if he is mentioned in the film it went completely over my head.

AppleCrumble122 wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:The Knights of Ren/King Prana connection really clicked for me. Why mention a King several times and also place heavy emphasis on Kylo being the leader of the Knights of Ren if the two have no relation whatsoever? In real-life it could be a coincidence, but the world of a film is only as big as the writers choose to make it. Mentions of such medieval themes like kings and knights tells me the two are bound to have something to do with each other.

Makes me wonder if Han was on his own inside mission...

@FrolickingFizzgig

OK I won't have my Blu-Ray until Monday, so let me just ask this: Is King Prana mentioned in the film or the novel, or both? Because this is actually the first time I've heard of him so if he is mentioned in the film it went completely over my head.

@AppleCrumble122
Here's Han's line about Prana. It's from the Rathtar scene. Han was delivering the Rathtars to Prana.

HAN
I got three of 'em going to King Prana.

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

AppleCrumble122 wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:The Knights of Ren/King Prana connection really clicked for me. Why mention a King several times and also place heavy emphasis on Kylo being the leader of the Knights of Ren if the two have no relation whatsoever? In real-life it could be a coincidence, but the world of a film is only as big as the writers choose to make it. Mentions of such medieval themes like kings and knights tells me the two are bound to have something to do with each other.

Makes me wonder if Han was on his own inside mission...

@FrolickingFizzgig

OK I won't have my Blu-Ray until Monday, so let me just ask this: Is King Prana mentioned in the film or the novel, or both? Because this is actually the first time I've heard of him so if he is mentioned in the film it went completely over my head.

@AppleCrumble122
Here's Han's line about Prana. It's from the Rathtar scene. Han was delivering the Rathtars to Prana.

HAN
I got three of 'em going to King Prana.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Thank you! Yep, definitely went over my head. I had a feeling it was either that Rathtar scene or the scene with Maz. Looking forward to seeing that scene now (with subtitles this time - yay! )

And here's the longer exchange from the novel (copy/pasted it from another forum, as I'm lazy, so I hope it was properly transcribed):

“So,” she continued, turning her attention back to Han, who at least seemed willing to explicate a little, “you’re carrying these rathtars to a collector?”
He nodded. “I got three going to King Prana. Kings not only like to collect, they like to boast about their collections. Seems Prana’s in competition with the regent of the Mol’leaj system. The regent doesn’t have a rathtar in his private zoo. Neither does anybody else.”
“There’s a reason for that,” Finn muttered.
“So I got this contract to get some for Prana. Three. It was difficult work. I’m expecting a bonus, and I’m not ready to give it all up just because of the Guavian Death Gang.”
“Three!” Finn could hardly believe what he was hearing. “How’d you get them on board?”
Han looked over at him. “I could tell you that Chewie and I got a bunch of their favorite food, tied it to a stick, and led them into the holding bay. But that would be a lie. Let’s just say I used to have a bigger crew.”

Some were theorising it might be Benicio's character because of the "collector" reference.

It's funny that the least favorite scene of some folks here is the Rathar scene. We were asked this a few weeks back and it probably holds a massive clue possibly

@Darth Dingbat That's why BdT said that he doesn't think his character is a villain per se... It makes sense!

"I don’t know if he’s a villain. People are saying that, but it’s like they read a different script than I read."

Here's what he said to a Spanish newspaper:

"Ehhh, the thing is, they don’t let me talk too much about it. I’m like the villain. But we’ll see."

(now I really really hope he plays King Prana)

@Darth Dingbat

Cheers! I'm liking this "BDT is Prana, King of Space Vegas, tied to Finn and KMT's story and maybe Rey's father theory" more and more!

AppleCrumble122 wrote:@Darth Dingbat

Cheers! I'm liking this "BDT is Prana, King of Space Vegas, tied to Finn and KMT's story and maybe Rey's father theory" more and more!

@AppleCrumble122

Perhaps more like Space Monaco, though?

The people in the Dubrovnik scenes do give off a strong elite/aristocratic vibe - and several of the men wear black sashes, like the guy on the right:



And sashes are, of course, reminiscent of a knightly order:



Black sash... sinister order of knights? You don't say.

Perhaps the Order of the Knights of Ren has more members than just the seven (or eight) operative ones

I was thinking something also, about King Prana. If he shows up in one of the next movies, in a way it is going to be a call back to Jabba. Jabba was only mentioned in ANH, and then he appeared in other episodes. I know that there's an added scene with Jabba in ANH, but it was added afterwards, in one of Lucas' "special editions".

So, in the OT, Han mentions Jabba, a menacing crime leader he owes money to, and in TFA Han mentions Prana, a menacing king.

It would be cool, even if he's not Rey's father.

But not I'm going back to the Rathtrars scene. It was pointless. After all these work, Han lost the creatures and his Freighter, and he didn't even seem worried. I don't know... a little off.

@Darth Dingbat

That is one cool carriage! I mean car! No I mean speeder!

But damn it looks cool! Wonder what Prana's den looks like? Maybe a shady gentleman's like club with a throne in the middle of it.

More than seven/eight KOR?! Dun dun dunnn!

AppleCrumble122 wrote:@Darth Dingbat

That is one cool carriage! I mean car! No I mean speeder!

But damn it looks cool! Wonder what Prana's den looks like? Maybe a shady gentleman's like club with a throne in the middle of it.

More than seven/eight KOR?! Dun dun dunnn!

@AppleCrumble122

Perhaps Prana's den looks like one of the filming locations in Dubrovnik, the Rector's Palace

@Darth Dingbat this place looks like a placed owned by a kind who has a zoo with exotic creatures.

@Force22

Like Rathtars for example .

AppleCrumble122 wrote:@Force22

Like Rathtars for example .

@AppleCrumble122

And space horses