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Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.

Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.

Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.

IoJovi wrote:

Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.

@Rei of Sunshine

I can't begin to know how they will fill the hole that Carrie has left behind.  It almost feels too soon to be thinking about this, but at the same time, I know it's on everyone's mind.  Right now I can picture three options on what could happen with Leia, and none of them seem exactly right to me.  I'm curious on other's thoughts.  

1. Leia doesn't appear in IX at all.  This seems to be akin to sweeping Carrie's death under the rug, and doesn't sit quite right.  

2. Replace Leia's role with a CGI fill-in just like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One.  Not sure how I feel about this one either.  I admit though, it does bring a smile to my face (along with tears) when I picture how Carrie would react to this.  I'm sure she'd find a way to insert her own brand of comedy into her commentary.  

3.  Replace Leia with a different actress altogether.  Story-wise, this would be best to maintain the cohesion.  However, if they did go this route, and I'm not even sure they would, they would have to choose incredibly carefully who fills those large shoes.  If I was an actress, I certainly wouldn't want that kind of pressure.  And there's always going to be those who wouldn't be okay with this, regardless of who gets chosen.  

CienaRee wrote:

Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.

@Rei of Sunshine
I know some fans have been speculating over the possability of CGI Leia but I really hope that's not the case.I know Leia is universally loved and many don't want to see the character being killed off but it just doesn't feel right for them to use CGI Leia.Carrie is what made Leia who she was(which is also what LF said) and I just wouldn't stop thinking that this isn't  really Carrie playing Leia(especially when there are scenes woth her and Kylo it would make hit even hadrer  how Carrie and Adam will most likely never share/shared any scenes together ) if they go with CGI in epsiode 9 especially if that episode is going to fcous on Kylo's redemption.I know they didn't do a bad job with Tarkin and Leia but it feel too soon for them t do that even if Carrie's family agrees.
For me it would be muhc better if they honour Leia  in episode 9 with an on screen funeral or something because either way she won't be appearing in any other SW movie after episode 9(if they go with CGI) so it's much better if they honour her then since they probably won't get the chacne to do that in other saga movies(I assume if they continue with another trilogy it would be set years later).

IoJovi wrote:

Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.

@Rei of Sunshine

I can't begin to know how they will fill the hole that Carrie has left behind. It almost feels too soon to be thinking about this, but at the same time, I know it's on everyone's mind. Right now I can picture three options on what could happen with Leia, and none of them seem exactly right to me. I'm curious on other's thoughts.

1. Leia doesn't appear in IX at all. This seems to be akin to sweeping Carrie's death under the rug, and doesn't sit quite right.

2. Replace Leia's role with a CGI fill-in just like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One. Not sure how I feel about this one either. I admit though, it does bring a smile to my face (along with tears) when I picture how Carrie would react to this. I'm sure she'd find a way to insert her own brand of comedy into her commentary.

3. Replace Leia with a different actress altogether. Story-wise, this would be best to maintain the cohesion. However, if they did go this route, and I'm not even sure they would, they would have to choose incredibly carefully who fills those large shoes. If I was an actress, I certainly wouldn't want that kind of pressure. And there's always going to be those who wouldn't be okay with this, regardless of who gets chosen.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

IoJovi wrote:

Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.

@Rei of Sunshine

I can't begin to know how they will fill the hole that Carrie has left behind. It almost feels too soon to be thinking about this, but at the same time, I know it's on everyone's mind. Right now I can picture three options on what could happen with Leia, and none of them seem exactly right to me. I'm curious on other's thoughts.

1. Leia doesn't appear in IX at all. This seems to be akin to sweeping Carrie's death under the rug, and doesn't sit quite right.

2. Replace Leia's role with a CGI fill-in just like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One. Not sure how I feel about this one either. I admit though, it does bring a smile to my face (along with tears) when I picture how Carrie would react to this. I'm sure she'd find a way to insert her own brand of comedy into her commentary.

3. Replace Leia with a different actress altogether. Story-wise, this would be best to maintain the cohesion. However, if they did go this route, and I'm not even sure they would, they would have to choose incredibly carefully who fills those large shoes. If I was an actress, I certainly wouldn't want that kind of pressure. And there's always going to be those who wouldn't be okay with this, regardless of who gets chosen.

@IoJovi

Given that they reportedly scaled back Leia's role for VIII, I can't see them not having some sort of contingency plan for IX. Perhaps they even got her permission to do CGI for IX, if she was unable to film or film as much as needed. Honestly, if they've gotten Carrie's (and her family's) permission, I think that CGI would be the least offensive way to go.

Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.

Rei of Sunshine wrote:

Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.

@Saracene

But that would equate to her being swept under the rug though. Surely Leia's story isn't close to over just yet. Having her die offscreen could affect the storyline.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:Regardless of what they end up doing, I would expect Billie to know Carrie's wishes, and given that Billie is already involved with the franchise, hopefully, she can work with Lucasfilm to figure out what route to take. It's entirely possible that Billie had already been given power of attorney for Carrie.

Saracene wrote:

Rei of Sunshine wrote:

Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.

@Saracene

But that would equate to her being swept under the rug though. Surely Leia's story isn't close to over just yet. Having her die offscreen could affect the storyline.

@Rei of Sunshine

I agree, that would be a bad way to end her story. It's just that for me it's a choice between bad and much worse. Watching CGI Tarkin in R1 gave me total creeps, I wouldn't want to feel the same about Leia's last scenes in these series. 

Ideally, they'd have enough footage to give Leia a fitting ending, maybe combining it with a stand-in and *minimal* CGI.

As for what Leia's role was intended to be in these series, it's hard to say. In TFA, her interaction with the new characters was minimal; if anything she was more like a part of Han's story and most of her interactions were with him.

IoJovi wrote:

Saracene wrote:

Rei of Sunshine wrote:

Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.

@Saracene

But that would equate to her being swept under the rug though. Surely Leia's story isn't close to over just yet. Having her die offscreen could affect the storyline.

@Rei of Sunshine

I agree, that would be a bad way to end her story. It's just that for me it's a choice between bad and much worse. Watching CGI Tarkin in R1 gave me total creeps, I wouldn't want to feel the same about Leia's last scenes in these series. 

Ideally, they'd have enough footage to give Leia a fitting ending, maybe combining it with a stand-in and *minimal* CGI.

As for what Leia's role was intended to be in these series, it's hard to say. In TFA, her interaction with the new characters was minimal; if anything she was more like a part of Han's story and most of her interactions were with him.

@Saracene

I don't disagree with you. I know I'm the one who listed the three viable options at this point, but honestly I hate all of them. Yet, they're the only viable solutions I can think of at this point.

I personally enjoyed CGI Tarkin, but that's because first of all, I wasn't expecting it, and two, the actor has been gone for over twenty years. The mourning for Peter Cushing has been done. It was a nice surprise, and a great homage to ANH.

The character of Leia though is much different. Carrie will have been less than two years by the time IX rolls around. Many fans will still be grieving. I honestly can't see them giving Leia the same amount of screen time Tarkin had with a CGI stand in. Even if it was flawless (which Tarkin wasn't), we'd still know it wasn't really her.

I'm not against CGI, but like you I think it can be minimized with existing footage, depending on what they have.

Jakku wrote:The fact that Disney are due a £41 million insurance payout over Carrie's death suggests that they'd costed what would be needed to manage the eventuality.   (There will be such insurance for all the leads, I imagine.)  Carrie, as a pro, would know that the studio would have to do what they could to keep the trilogy on the road.  If IX was planned to involve significant amounts of acting from Carrie in order to support the plot, they'll simply have to recast.

I don't think that's such a bad thing.  Carrie in TFA was very different from the Leia we last saw in ROTJ, and many of the GA who don't remember the OT all that well quite possibly thought it was a different actress anyway.    LFL could get away with a carefully-chosen alternative actress.  The fanboys would hate it, but they hate everything anyway.

Carrie would still be the embodiment of Leia - no-one can take the iconic Leia of the OT away.

SoloSideCousin wrote:

Jakku wrote:The fact that Disney are due a £41 million insurance payout over Carrie's death suggests that they'd costed what would be needed to manage the eventuality.   (There will be such insurance for all the leads, I imagine.)  Carrie, as a pro, would know that the studio would have to do what they could to keep the trilogy on the road.  If IX was planned to involve significant amounts of acting from Carrie in order to support the plot, they'll simply have to recast.

I don't think that's such a bad thing.  Carrie in TFA was very different from the Leia we last saw in ROTJ, and many of the GA who don't remember the OT all that well quite possibly thought it was a different actress anyway.    LFL could get away with a carefully-chosen alternative actress.  The fanboys would hate it, but they hate everything anyway.

Carrie would still be the embodiment of Leia - no-one can take the iconic Leia of the OT away.

@Jakku

I agree with you.  For as upsetting as it is, a straight up recast in the vein of Michael Gambon replacing Richard Harris for Dumbledore may actually be the most respectful way to handle this.  If Leia was intended to have all kinds of storyline moving forward, storyline like @snufkin frequently discusses, of Leia becoming the real hero of it all, because she was the one who stayed and endured unlike her brother, father or Han, in addition to becoming the more important heir because it's through her, by Kylo/Ben, that the Skywalkers go on ... then just cutting off Leia, as a character, would be very sad for a variety of reasons, ranging from losing the message of endurance and empowerment such a storyline would provide, to maybe even going against Carrie's wishes for the character.  I don't know anything about Carrie Fisher, but in the end the woman was a writer.  She has made serious efforts to refine the SW movies for 40 years, and maybe I am wrong, but I think she might want Leia to have her moment in the sun, and for the SW storyline to be at its best and most coherent, whether she lived to see it or not.

They could accomplish this with CGI, and I am not against CGI ... but like @IoJovi was saying, there are concerns with it.  Peter Cushing has been gone a long time.  It was wonderful to "see him" again.  With Carrie Fisher, I just don't know.  Would it seem creepy or would it be lovely? I just don't know.  Carrie Fisher is irreplaceable and a heroine and icon to so many of us.  I wonder if it would be best if they just kind of acknowledged that and just recast the part of Leia with a strong 60-something actress.  We would all know that it's not Carrie, but you wouldn't have anyone "pretending" to be Carrie either.  I just don't know.  I just hope whatever LF does that it's something Carrie would have approved of.

Saracene wrote:To be honest, while "Leia is a responsible leader of The Resistance" is admirable and all, I think at the same time it was always going to limit Leia's character. It means that she can't really take off on adventures with the other characters, and because she's a strong coper it means that she can't have the kind of arc Han had in TFA and Luke will presumably have later in the series, where they've given up or ran away and then have to man up and face their issues. It's just more of the same, men are flawed and interesting and have dramatic arcs, women have to be role models.

IoJovi wrote:

SoloSideCousin wrote:

Jakku wrote:The fact that Disney are due a £41 million insurance payout over Carrie's death suggests that they'd costed what would be needed to manage the eventuality.   (There will be such insurance for all the leads, I imagine.)  Carrie, as a pro, would know that the studio would have to do what they could to keep the trilogy on the road.  If IX was planned to involve significant amounts of acting from Carrie in order to support the plot, they'll simply have to recast.

I don't think that's such a bad thing.  Carrie in TFA was very different from the Leia we last saw in ROTJ, and many of the GA who don't remember the OT all that well quite possibly thought it was a different actress anyway.    LFL could get away with a carefully-chosen alternative actress.  The fanboys would hate it, but they hate everything anyway.

Carrie would still be the embodiment of Leia - no-one can take the iconic Leia of the OT away.

@Jakku

I agree with you.  For as upsetting as it is, a straight up recast in the vein of Michael Gambon replacing Richard Harris for Dumbledore may actually be the most respectful way to handle this.  If Leia was intended to have all kinds of storyline moving forward, storyline like @snufkin frequently discusses, of Leia becoming the real hero of it all, because she was the one who stayed and endured unlike her brother, father or Han, in addition to becoming the more important heir because it's through her, by Kylo/Ben, that the Skywalkers go on ... then just cutting off Leia, as a character, would be very sad for a variety of reasons, ranging from losing the message of endurance and empowerment such a storyline would provide, to maybe even going against Carrie's wishes for the character.  I don't know anything about Carrie Fisher, but in the end the woman was a writer.  She has made serious efforts to refine the SW movies for 40 years, and maybe I am wrong, but I think she might want Leia to have her moment in the sun, and for the SW storyline to be at its best and most coherent, whether she lived to see it or not.

They could accomplish this with CGI, and I am not against CGI ... but like @IoJovi was saying, there are concerns with it.  Peter Cushing has been gone a long time.  It was wonderful to "see him" again.  With Carrie Fisher, I just don't know.  Would it seem creepy or would it be lovely? I just don't know.  Carrie Fisher is irreplaceable and a heroine and icon to so many of us.  I wonder if it would be best if they just kind of acknowledged that and just recast the part of Leia with a strong 60-something actress.  We would all know that it's not Carrie, but you wouldn't have anyone "pretending" to be Carrie either.  I just don't know.  I just hope whatever LF does that it's something Carrie would have approved of.

@SoloSideCousin

Like I said previously, I really hate all three options, but the one I really hate the most is the first - Leia being written off for most or all of IX when likely the writers had big plans for her.  That just seems wrong, and I don't think Carrie would be okay with it either.  She herself said she sees herself as the custodian of Leia, and that tells me a lot on her wishes for the character.  

That leaves us with either a CGI replacement or a complete recast.  It's incredibly difficult for me to choose between these two.  Unless the technology has improved two years from now, I'd have to opt for a recast if the writers don't wish to reduce Leia's role.  Considering the emotional weight that character will be carrying (seeing her son's redemption among other things), I can't see a CGI stand in being able to pull this off.

Yes, Tarkin had some substantial screentime in RO, but I wouldn't call it exactly an emotional role.