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SanghaRen wrote:

Saracene wrote:Well, humanity bit certainly sounds good.

Terrorism... in the current climate I doubt that the majority of the audience are particularly interested in understanding why a terrorist is feeling morally justified doing what they do, to be honest.

@Saracene

Allow me to disagree on that one. If you'd go and ask people in the streets, most of them definitively would say "cut his head off!" But it's a movie and if done well, people could end up sobbing for said terrorist(s) without even consciously realizing the parallels with terrorism on Earth, but it'll be there. Nowadays all you see on terrorists on TV is the terrible things they do. No one is showing how some of them are brainwashed. Why? Probably not in the interest of some people to show that there's more to it all than just bad seeds - as JJ said about Kylo. I actually really like the comparison with terrorism. I liked it from the beginning. I think it's very bold.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

SanghaRen wrote:

Saracene wrote:Well, humanity bit certainly sounds good.

Terrorism... in the current climate I doubt that the majority of the audience are particularly interested in understanding why a terrorist is feeling morally justified doing what they do, to be honest.

@Saracene

Allow me to disagree on that one. If you'd go and ask people in the streets, most of them definitively would say "cut his head off!" But it's a movie and if done well, people could end up sobbing for said terrorist(s) without even consciously realizing the parallels with terrorism on Earth, but it'll be there. Nowadays all you see on terrorists on TV is the terrible things they do. No one is showing how some of them are brainwashed. Why? Probably not in the interest of some people to show that there's more to it all than just bad seeds - as JJ said about Kylo. I actually really like the comparison with terrorism. I liked it from the beginning. I think it's very bold.

@SanghaRen

I agree. Nelson Mandela was once seen as a terrorist... Not that I'm likening Kylo or the First Order to his struggle. Adam is absolutely right, though. George Lucas wrote the original Star Wars to reflect American imperialism in the form of the Empire and the rebels were the Viet Cong resisting the military might of a super power. Plenty of Americans supported the armed struggle in Ireland too, despite the IRA's attacks on mainland Britain and the atrocities at home.

I am in no way defending terrorist actions but I would like to understand more about it. We all should if there's to be any hope of one day resolving the world's problems without armed struggles. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

SanghaRen wrote:

Saracene wrote:Well, humanity bit certainly sounds good.

Terrorism... in the current climate I doubt that the majority of the audience are particularly interested in understanding why a terrorist is feeling morally justified doing what they do, to be honest.

@Saracene

Allow me to disagree on that one. If you'd go and ask people in the streets, most of them definitively would say "cut his head off!" But it's a movie and if done well, people could end up sobbing for said terrorist(s) without even consciously realizing the parallels with terrorism on Earth, but it'll be there. Nowadays all you see on terrorists on TV is the terrible things they do. No one is showing how some of them are brainwashed. Why? Probably not in the interest of some people to show that there's more to it all than just bad seeds - as JJ said about Kylo. I actually really like the comparison with terrorism. I liked it from the beginning. I think it's very bold.

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

snufkin wrote:Like I've said, I'm far more interestied in hearing what the people closest to the characters have to say versus employee Twitter sniping. The humanity part is interesting because it was there in TFA, why else would so many fanboys be complaining about him being "emo, wuss, crybaby, et cetera?" Haha, unless the things they can be more open about in the 2nd is "his very obvious and awkward crush on Rey" ; ).  And here's hoping at least one of the Mystery Boxes that gets opened is whatever the f**k happened with Max Von Sydow's character to result in murder.

@snufkin

Even if there's no kiss or evidence of anything mutual happening between them, I do fully expect that Kylo's obvious and awkward crush on Rey will be a lot more evident.

As far as Lor San Tekka goes, unless they abandon that plot point all together, I'd think we'd see that character again when they explore Ben's backstory/fall.

Saracene wrote:

SanghaRen wrote:

Saracene wrote:Well, humanity bit certainly sounds good.

Terrorism... in the current climate I doubt that the majority of the audience are particularly interested in understanding why a terrorist is feeling morally justified doing what they do, to be honest.

@Saracene

Allow me to disagree on that one. If you'd go and ask people in the streets, most of them definitively would say "cut his head off!" But it's a movie and if done well, people could end up sobbing for said terrorist(s) without even consciously realizing the parallels with terrorism on Earth, but it'll be there. Nowadays all you see on terrorists on TV is the terrible things they do. No one is showing how some of them are brainwashed. Why? Probably not in the interest of some people to show that there's more to it all than just bad seeds - as JJ said about Kylo. I actually really like the comparison with terrorism. I liked it from the beginning. I think it's very bold.

@SanghaRen

Oh for sure, it's completely possible to make the audience feel sympathy for an individual character. But I meant more in terms of broader ideology, and the idea of the audience seeing things in terms of, there are just two sides with their own goals and motivations.

BastilaBey wrote:From his Larry King interview

"Without giving away any spoilers, what’s one aspect about Kylo Ren you are excited for fans to see in the next film?"





http://www.ora.tv/larrykingnow/2017/1/4/adam-driver-previews-star-wars-viii

BastilaBey wrote:From his Larry King interview

"Without giving away any spoilers, what’s one aspect about Kylo Ren you are excited for fans to see in the next film?"





http://www.ora.tv/larrykingnow/2017/1/4/adam-driver-previews-star-wars-viii

EchoBase wrote:Here's the full episode: http://www.ora.tv/larrykingnow/2017/1/4/adam-driver-on-girls-star-wars-scorsese

When Larry King talks about Kylo Ren being a villain, look at Adam's face, it's very telling.
And he asks him, if Kylo Ren lives in Ep VIII, Adam laughs nervously and replies: "it depends on what you mean by living."

Very curious. Or is he just joking around?

Maybe Kylo Ren won't survive EpVIII but Ben will?

reylo1992 wrote:

EchoBase wrote:Here's the full episode: http://www.ora.tv/larrykingnow/2017/1/4/adam-driver-on-girls-star-wars-scorsese

When Larry King talks about Kylo Ren being a villain, look at Adam's face, it's very telling.
And he asks him, if Kylo Ren lives in Ep VIII, Adam laughs nervously and replies: "it depends on what you mean by living."

Very curious. Or is he just joking around?

Maybe Kylo Ren won't survive EpVIII but Ben will?

@EchoBase

Interesting post un Tumblr by @bentages. I find it pretty telling
http://bentages.tumblr.com/post/155397541055/without-giving-away-any-spoilers-whats-one

I don't know how to interpret Adam's expressions and answers but I get the sensation that he's quite genuine in general even if he wouldn't reveal things such as "Rey is very forgiving" but he doesn't seem to be a very good liar either while being interviewed. I remember this interview when Jimmy Kimmel asked him if one would see his face in TFA and he found nothing else to say than "I don't know if I can say that" while looking at J.J Abrams with "please help me!" eyes until J.J. came to the "rescue"

BastilaBey wrote:Watching the full interview, Adam says he finds it pretty frustrating to be constantly told his character is evil, when he knows kylo thinks he's doing the right thing.

ZioRen wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:Watching the full interview, Adam says he finds it pretty frustrating to be constantly told his character is evil, when he knows kylo thinks he's doing the right thing.

@BastilaBey

This isn't the first time Adam has pushed back against the idea that Kylo is evil and stressed his humanity. This bodes extremely well for what we might see for the character going forward!

Also, can anyone give direct quotes on this and his words on Daisy? Unfortunately I can't watch the video right now!

BastilaBey wrote:Watching the full interview, Adam says he finds it pretty frustrating to be constantly told his character is evil, when he knows kylo thinks he's doing the right thing.

ZioRen wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:Watching the full interview, Adam says he finds it pretty frustrating to be constantly told his character is evil, when he knows kylo thinks he's doing the right thing.

@BastilaBey

This isn't the first time Adam has pushed back against the idea that Kylo is evil and stressed his humanity. This bodes extremely well for what we might see for the character going forward!

Also, can anyone give direct quotes on this and his words on Daisy? Unfortunately I can't watch the video right now!

BastilaBey wrote:@Saracene I don't disagree! That's what's dangerous about villains who aren't doing things for the sake of being evil. I'm guessing it's how it often works in the real world too.