The Last Jedi Trailer(s): NO SPOILERS

Blood Moon wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Blood Moon wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:I prefer JJ's gaze... he found the best pretty facial angles for the actors in TFA.. .. So far from what I have seen of TLJ if you have a bad angle as an actor RJ will find it.

@spacebaby45678

The nose shot off Kylo wasn't very pretty  so far I'm more in love with RJ's take on it. Everybody looks more real. Like they are ready for a mental breakdown.

@Blood Moon

It is more than just the bad angles of the actors faces, there is just something .. I am not sure yet because I will have to see the whole movie before I really make a judgement..

@spacebaby45678

Sure only the movie will tell but from what I have seen of the cinematography I'm getting excited! There are beautiful shots in TFA but for me there were lots of mwah shots too. And it's a personal preference thing in the end

@Blood Moon

Yes Mwah! I like that word... The best shot for me so far was Finn & Phasma.. What could be bothering me is the color palette it could also be the planets/worlds we have seen so far.. .. Crait is just ugh... So could be that Canto Bight and the casino's are the real money shots.. we shall have to see.

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Blood Moon wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:

Blood Moon wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:I prefer JJ's gaze... he found the best pretty facial angles for the actors in TFA.. .. So far from what I have seen of TLJ if you have a bad angle as an actor RJ will find it.

@spacebaby45678

The nose shot off Kylo wasn't very pretty  so far I'm more in love with RJ's take on it. Everybody looks more real. Like they are ready for a mental breakdown.

@Blood Moon

It is more than just the bad angles of the actors faces, there is just something .. I am not sure yet because I will have to see the whole movie before I really make a judgement..

@spacebaby45678

Sure only the movie will tell but from what I have seen of the cinematography I'm getting excited! There are beautiful shots in TFA but for me there were lots of mwah shots too. And it's a personal preference thing in the end

@Blood Moon

Yes Mwah! I like that word... The best shot for me so far was Finn & Phasma.. What could be bothering me is the color palette it could also be the planets/worlds we have seen so far.. .. Crait is just ugh... So could be that Canto Bight and the casino's  are the real money shots.. we shall have to see.

@spacebaby45678

It looks more brighter, sharper maybe because of his use of those bright and primary colours. The red and white, there is so much contrast. I love the look of Crait.
Fascinating that RJ isn't sharing much about Canto Bight, except for those costumes pictures and casino clip.

I actually think that in all the shots we have of Kylo so far, he looks a lot better than he did in TFA. Despite looking like a mess, that is. I actually find him attractive in every shot I've seen so far? Which wasn't the case in TFA: I didn't really find him attractive, I only warmed up to his looks slowly because the Reylo dynamic was so fascinating.

Actually now that I think of it, I did find Snow Fight Kylo the most attractive version of Kylo. And TLJ Kylo is more reminiscent of Snow Fight Kylo, so that makes sense.

spacebaby45678 wrote:I prefer JJ's gaze... he found the best pretty facial angles for the actors in TFA.. .. So far from what I have seen of TLJ if you have a bad angle as an actor RJ will find it.

@spacebaby45678

Really? I think quite the opposite... I think everybody looks so great in TLJ (well what little we have seen in the trailers and pictures).

I don't like the look of Kylo in the interrogation scene. Don't get me wrong- Adam do looks gorgeous but too dolled up and fake... he didn't look like himself. I still have a hard time comparing RL Adam and Kylo in those shots- he looks almost like a different person.

Maybe it's because I'm in my mid thirties and more into "mature" looking guys... well anyway. I think he looks much more real in TLJ

Night Huntress wrote:

spacebaby45678 wrote:I prefer JJ's gaze... he found the best pretty facial angles for the actors in TFA.. .. So far from what I have seen of TLJ if you have a bad angle as an actor RJ will find it.

@spacebaby45678

Really? I think quite the opposite... I think everybody looks so great in TLJ (well what little we have seen in the trailers and pictures).

I don't like the look of Kylo in the interrogation scene. Don't get me wrong- Adam do looks gorgeous but too dolled up and fake... he didn't look like himself. I still have a hard time comparing RL Adam and Kylo in those shots- he looks almost like a different person.

Maybe it's because I'm in my mid thirties and more into "mature" looking guys... well anyway. I think he looks much more real in TLJ

@Night Huntress

Ok, it is more than just Kylo, I don't like some of the shots of Luke when he get's the saber.. just way to different looking than the end of TFA in which MH looked majestic. I don't like the latest with Leia in the "awake" trailer... and I don't like looking down Finn's throat as he yell's yet again.. also some of the angles of Rey training herself are janky... folks this is all my preliminary opinions I will reserve final judgments until I see the whole movie.

vaderito wrote:Ok, so I;m seeing discussion on reddit about Rey's last scene. That she doesn't look like she's looking at Luke because of the angle or something and also something about her wrist band doesn't match. So they aren't sure if that's the part of the "this is not going to go the way you think" scene that sounds similar (Rain, Rey threatening Luke with the lightsaber). Can someone check?

@vaderito

Eyelines.

Yeah, but you can't deny that Rey and Luke are in different scenes unless you're willing to admit that Kylo, Rey, and the hand are in the same one.

Is the entire "Darkness rises and light to meet it" said by Snoke? If so, what's up with the voice change? "Darkness" sounds like a very normal human voice, then "rises" sounds a bit different and the last part of the quote sounds like Snoke's usual creepy, rough voice. The complete line with the voice changes sounds just so weird.

Posters elsewhere are also discussing this.



They've noted the two "torture" contraptions. They're 99% meant for Rey and Kylo, imo. With that in mind I wonder if that's what's actually happening in this scene. Rey isn't being tortured, but her Force or raw energy is being sucked out of her and cycled through Snoke's mechanisms in order to fill him with life and power.



The blue and red lights would be pretty symbolic if that's the case. I remember @SoloSideCousin's idea that Snoke is orchestrating some kind of civil war between the two sides of the Force for his own benefit. Add to that Daisy's quotes about how Kylo and Rey's relationship will be symbolic of a newfound ambiguity between the two distinct sides. It's all very interesting.

Sorry if this has been brought up already. I just got off a 12 hour shift.

I have to say, I never thought that putting Rey in the same situation would be how they would build her sympathy for Kylo. Clever.

Kylo Men wrote:I have to say, I never thought that putting Rey in the same situation would be how they would build her sympathy for Kylo. Clever.

@Kylo Men

I think this was always the most logical choice to put Rey virtually or literally into his shoes. We just didn't know what specifically it would be. Raw powah.

So just rewatched the new TV spot thats features Luke on the Falcon and I noticed that Kylo's line/voice over is different. It went from.

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to, it's the only way to become what you were meant to be" to "Let the past die, it's the only way to become what you were meant to be."

And without the "kill it" inserted in the middle it sounds very gentle. I'm like 99% certain now he's talking to Rey. I think someone on here had suggested that was inserted dialogue so kudos for catching that! Just wanted to give you a shout out

Kylo Men wrote:I have to say, I never thought that putting Rey in the same situation would be how they would build her sympathy for Kylo. Clever.

@Kylo Men
Oh, that's classic coming-of-age! Encouraging a character to see through the eyes of another sends a universally powerful message. It's the whole crux of the beauty and the beast trajectory.

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:

Kylo Men wrote:I have to say, I never thought that putting Rey in the same situation would be how they would build her sympathy for Kylo. Clever.

@Kylo Men
Oh, that's classic coming-of-age! Encouraging a character to see through the eyes of another sends a universally powerful message. It's the whole crux of the beauty and the beast trajectory.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Thats really cool!

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:Posters elsewhere are also discussing this.



They've noted the two "torture" contraptions. They're 99% meant for Rey and Kylo, imo. With that in mind I wonder if that's what's actually happening in this scene. Rey isn't being tortured, but her Force or raw energy is being sucked out of her and cycled through Snoke's mechanisms in order to fill him with life and power.



The blue and red lights would be pretty symbolic if that's the case. I remember @SoloSideCousin's idea that Snoke is orchestrating some kind of civil war between the two sides of the Force for his own benefit. Add to that Daisy's quotes about how Kylo and Rey's relationship will be symbolic of a newfound ambiguity between the two distinct sides. It's all very interesting.

Sorry if this has been brought up already. I just got off a 12 hour shift.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Ok, these 2 contraptions (torture devices?) have completely thrown me. There would be no point having two of them if only one was needed, so they must be meant for Rey and Kylo (but Kylo must have seen Snoke’s throne room before? Surely then he must know what his master plans for him, in which case why has he not defected yet?)

As for the Rey torture scene, looks to me she is levitated in the air and I do not see anything attached to her (so she is not strapped to one of these devices). Also from the wide Throne room shot, we see the 2 devices are a little in further in front of the throne, 30 degrees at most. In the Rey image, we can see the throne almost straight ahead, at most 5 degrees off centre. So Snoke is not using one of those devices on her in this scene at least. What do you all think?

snufkin wrote:Those contraption thingyamajigs remind me of two things:

1) Wasn't there some kind of superpower sucking device used by Syndrone in The Incredibles (if they seriously make Snoke be like that character, who's a bit of Brad Bird making fun of his fanboy tendencies, I will lmao in the theater).

2) Or is it like His Dark Materials where the bad guys try to separate children from their Daemons as part of examining the nature of Dust? Which if you've read that book, Lyra is hidden and grows up as a poor orphan after a scandal goes down involving her biological parents and the over arching power struggled.

ETA - @Tex and @Cowgirlsamurai, go Astros indeed! Ya'll earned it after what you've been through the past few months. Kinda like NOLA winning the Stupid Bowl after Katrina.

Thinking about this a little more, but the possible similarities to His Dark Materials have come up in the past among those of us who've read it (me, @BastilaBey, @Vaderito - @FrolickingFizzgig have you read those books yet?). If those two chairs are some type of device for rechanneling or stealing somebody's Force powers, which for those characters is part of their essence/soul, then it'd be an awful lot like Mrs. Coulter and The Magisterium performing Intercision (which real world parallels would be a lobotomy or circumcision) on test subjects like Billy Costa.

In the trilogy, a special guillotine made of manganese-titanium alloy is used by the General Oblation Board to separate people from their dæmon without killing them (known as intercision). However, unlike the prolonged separation known as a skill among witches and shamans, the guillotine permanently severs the bond between person and dæmon, and drastically reduces the person's creativity, intelligence, and psychological will: the adults who have successfully gone through the process seem blank and lifeless, and their dæmons subdued and incurious. The General Oblation Board continually perfects the process through experimentation, but Lyra encounters a young boy who cannot bear the results of his intercision; he physically and mentally deteriorates until he eventually dies. When Lyra finds dæmons that have been separated from their humans, the creatures are insubstantial and needy: they cluster desperately, held back only by the contact taboo.

It'd definitely fit with Han's warning to Ben that once Snoke gets what he wants from him that he'll crush him. And if he and Rey are two halves a whole aka The Balance, it's possible her parents may have tried to hide her on Jakku to protect her from whatever Snoke was up to and paid the price for it.

snufkin wrote:
It'd definitely fit with Han's warning to Ben that once Snoke gets what he wants from him that he'll crush him. And if he and Rey are two halves a whole aka The Balance, it's possible her parents may have tried to hide her on Jakku to protect her from whatever Snoke was up to and paid the price for it.

@snufkin

Yes, but I'm wondering how the hell would Han know about Snoke's plan? What do Han (and Leia) even know about Snoke in general?
I don't think he would announce his plans openly for everyone to know. The only person who possibly found out is Luke... there is a chance he told Han & Leia but it sounded like he rather rushed off after what happened with his "academy" without much of a conversion about Ben. And I personally think IF he knows- he discovered it later when he was already hiding on Ahch-to and has told nobody.

BUT if Han and Leia really knew about Snoke's big plan- it would make them even worse parents for just leaving their son to such a cruel fate.

@“Night Huntress” - Han’s parting warning to his son, “Snoke is using you for your power, when he gets what he wants, he’ll crush you.” Doesn’t have to know the Big Bad’s full evil plan, but writers (and that scene was written jointly by a father and son, who also co-wrote the Han Solo movie) are hitting you over the head with that point.

Night Huntress wrote:

snufkin wrote:
It'd definitely fit with Han's warning to Ben that once Snoke gets what he wants from him that he'll crush him. And if he and Rey are two halves a whole aka The Balance, it's possible her parents may have tried to hide her on Jakku to protect her from whatever Snoke was up to and paid the price for it.

@snufkin

Yes, but I'm wondering how the hell would Han know about Snoke's plan? What do Han (and Leia) even know about Snoke in general?
I don't think he would announce his plans openly for everyone to know. The only person who possibly found out is Luke... there is a chance he told Han & Leia but it sounded like he rather rushed off after what happened with his "academy" without much of a conversion about Ben. And I personally think IF he knows- he discovered it later when he was already hiding on Ahch-to and has told nobody.

BUT if Han and Leia really knew about Snoke's big plan- it would make them even worse parents for just leaving their son to such a cruel fate.

@Night Huntress

It's the same kind of warning parents tell their virgin teenage daughter to break up with her bad boy boyfriend because he'll leave her once he's taken what he wanted (her virginity).

They don't explicitly know the plan, but they can guess the intention.

Han knows Snoke is bad news, although he doesn't really know what's gonna happen.

ah, OK- I thought you meant Han knew literally Snoke's plan.

LesCousinsDangereux wrote:

ZioRen wrote:nonibear11 on Tumblr just posted this before and after of Kylo and....wow it's striking. "When life has kicked your a**" indeed!

Someone on the post commented that they misread the caption as "When your wife has kicked your a**". Which, as it happens, also fits very well.  

@ZioRen

Ok, so maybe what I am about to say is considered heresy here, but I do not like how Kylo looks in TFA especially in the interrogation scene. I prefer how he looks in the snowy forest fight and also in his confrontation with Han. (the only two other scenes where he is without his mask).

And he looks much better in all the shots we have seen in TLJ (smashing helmet, flying the tie fighter, brandishing the his lightsaber, extending his hand to Rey). Much much better, and nothing to do with the scar, but mostly with his haircut and how the hair is styled. It frames his face in a much more flattering way. And this last image just before he is about to smash the helmet is the best one yet

And also any other photos of AD I have seen online (eg from interviews etc), he always looks more attractive than how he looks in the TFA interrogation scene (again just in my subjective opinion, don't eat me . It is strange that in the scene where JJ wanted him to look like a handsome prince, he looks the least handsome in my opinion. The make-up, lighting and hair is all wrong. Different things suit different people, and this definitely does not suit AD.

Eg flawless baby white skin with pink cheeks may suit some baby-faced, cute-looking younger actor, not AD. The intense/ harsh light makes his face and features more angular and pronounced. The fluffy hair styled backwards and way from his face, make his face appear even longer, and the lower part of his face extremely triangular. He just looks weird.

In contrast in TLJ the hair framing his face is much better, making his face look rounder/ more rectangular. And the lighting is softer (which generally is more flattering for everyone). You can take away the scar and the bruise, and he still looks a million times better than he looked in TFA. To be frank, this is my only worry with JJ returning to direct episode 9. That he will make Kylo look less attractive (as evidently JJ thinks someone looks attractive if - and only if- they have shiny voluminous hair

@LesCousinsDangereux

I have a confession here....I think he looks lovely in all the scenes! Which is ironic because before I saw TFA, I thought he was anything but attractive! All Id seen of him were a few brief, unflattering glimpses in pictures, so I was left speechless when I first saw what he actually looked like.

LesCousinsDangereux wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:Posters elsewhere are also discussing this.



They've noted the two "torture" contraptions. They're 99% meant for Rey and Kylo, imo. With that in mind I wonder if that's what's actually happening in this scene. Rey isn't being tortured, but her Force or raw energy is being sucked out of her and cycled through Snoke's mechanisms in order to fill him with life and power.



The blue and red lights would be pretty symbolic if that's the case. I remember @SoloSideCousin's idea that Snoke is orchestrating some kind of civil war between the two sides of the Force for his own benefit. Add to that Daisy's quotes about how Kylo and Rey's relationship will be symbolic of a newfound ambiguity between the two distinct sides. It's all very interesting.

Sorry if this has been brought up already. I just got off a 12 hour shift.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Ok, these 2 contraptions (torture devices?) have completely thrown me. There would be no point having two of them if only one was needed, so they must be meant for Rey and Kylo (but Kylo must have seen Snoke’s throne room before? Surely then he must know what his master plans for him, in which case why has he not defected yet?)

As for the Rey torture scene, looks to me she is levitated in the air and I do not see anything attached to her (so she is not strapped to one of these devices). Also from the wide Throne room shot, we see the 2 devices are a little in further in front of the throne, 30 degrees at most. In the Rey image, we can see the throne almost straight ahead, at most 5 degrees off centre. So Snoke is not using one of those devices on her in this scene at least.  What do you all think?

@LesCousinsDangereux

In the novel Snoke tells Kylo that he's basically molding him into the perfect weapon, because of what he's made of (the light and the dark). I guess the reason I'm having problems coming to terms that those devices being "force sucking" devices for Kylo AND Rey, why would Snoke need both of them if Kylo is equally strong in both sides of the force? It makes about as much sense as the reincarnation theory to me. Also regarding the leak from the Poe comic that Lor San Tekka discovered an artifact that was created specifically for a light AND dark force user. We don't know what exactly this artifact was created for though. Perhaps this could be why Kylo is being made into this "weapon" of Snoke's.

LesCousinsDangereux wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:Posters elsewhere are also discussing this.



They've noted the two "torture" contraptions. They're 99% meant for Rey and Kylo, imo. With that in mind I wonder if that's what's actually happening in this scene. Rey isn't being tortured, but her Force or raw energy is being sucked out of her and cycled through Snoke's mechanisms in order to fill him with life and power.



The blue and red lights would be pretty symbolic if that's the case. I remember @SoloSideCousin's idea that Snoke is orchestrating some kind of civil war between the two sides of the Force for his own benefit. Add to that Daisy's quotes about how Kylo and Rey's relationship will be symbolic of a newfound ambiguity between the two distinct sides. It's all very interesting.

Sorry if this has been brought up already. I just got off a 12 hour shift.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Ok, these 2 contraptions (torture devices?) have completely thrown me. There would be no point having two of them if only one was needed, so they must be meant for Rey and Kylo (but Kylo must have seen Snoke’s throne room before? Surely then he must know what his master plans for him, in which case why has he not defected yet?)

As for the Rey torture scene, looks to me she is levitated in the air and I do not see anything attached to her (so she is not strapped to one of these devices). Also from the wide Throne room shot, we see the 2 devices are a little in further in front of the throne, 30 degrees at most. In the Rey image, we can see the throne almost straight ahead, at most 5 degrees off centre. So Snoke is not using one of those devices on her in this scene at least.  What do you all think?

@LesCousinsDangereux

It certainly does seem she's held held in place by some sort of force freeze and the wrappings of her costume and hair look like they're being blown in the direction of Snoke? Agree Rey's placement does look a bit off centre of the throne judging from the geo light arrangements around the throne and Snoke appears to be standing on the dais rather than sitting (maybe?)

@MrsWindu He's standing on the dais.

I wonder if Snoke threatens Kylo will the torture/Force machine thingy in the beginning unless Kylo brings him Rey. But then Kylo bring her to Snoke and is double-crossed and Snoke is going to toss Kylo in there anyway.Not a fan of the thought of Kylo bringing her to Snoke, though.

Or Snoke goes after Rey and Kylo volunteers for Snoke to take him instead. Rey says no, and they fight the guards.

Or, they are both needed to turn Snoke into some superpower.

The shot of Snoke's throne room is ominous, and Hux standing there looking at someone coming in looks like bad news.

nite0wl29 wrote:

LesCousinsDangereux wrote:

FrolickingFizzgig wrote:Posters elsewhere are also discussing this.



They've noted the two "torture" contraptions. They're 99% meant for Rey and Kylo, imo. With that in mind I wonder if that's what's actually happening in this scene. Rey isn't being tortured, but her Force or raw energy is being sucked out of her and cycled through Snoke's mechanisms in order to fill him with life and power.



The blue and red lights would be pretty symbolic if that's the case. I remember @SoloSideCousin's idea that Snoke is orchestrating some kind of civil war between the two sides of the Force for his own benefit. Add to that Daisy's quotes about how Kylo and Rey's relationship will be symbolic of a newfound ambiguity between the two distinct sides. It's all very interesting.

Sorry if this has been brought up already. I just got off a 12 hour shift.

@FrolickingFizzgig

Ok, these 2 contraptions (torture devices?) have completely thrown me. There would be no point having two of them if only one was needed, so they must be meant for Rey and Kylo (but Kylo must have seen Snoke’s throne room before? Surely then he must know what his master plans for him, in which case why has he not defected yet?)

As for the Rey torture scene, looks to me she is levitated in the air and I do not see anything attached to her (so she is not strapped to one of these devices). Also from the wide Throne room shot, we see the 2 devices are a little in further in front of the throne, 30 degrees at most. In the Rey image, we can see the throne almost straight ahead, at most 5 degrees off centre. So Snoke is not using one of those devices on her in this scene at least.  What do you all think?

@LesCousinsDangereux

In the novel Snoke tells Kylo that he's basically molding him into the perfect weapon, because of what he's made of (the light and the dark). I guess the reason I'm having problems coming to terms that those devices being "force sucking" devices for Kylo AND Rey, why would Snoke need both of them if Kylo is equally strong in both sides of the force? It makes about as much sense as the reincarnation theory to me. Also regarding the leak from the Poe comic that Lor San Tekka discovered an artifact that was created specifically for a light AND dark force user. We don't know what exactly this artifact was created for though. Perhaps this could be why Kylo is being made into this "weapon" of Snoke's.

@nite0wl29

Agree with you. Exactly my reasoning regarding this.

Maybe Snoke could briefly get interested in Rey's power but I tend to believe that she is more the unexpected grain of salt in Snoke's great project project than a piece of his agenda.

No offense to her importance and her raw power but as far as we know right know, that wouldn't fit very well with the general timeline IMO:
- Ben was born approximately in 5 AYB, the same day the Galactic Concordance was signed: the novel Aftermath End made it canon that he was conceived on Endor and that Leia sensed a dark presence within her as she was trying to sense a potted flower from Endor. If that dark presence was Snoke, it means that his evil agenda begun right after the events of ROTJ
==> Snoke's motive: "the finest scuptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor material [...] I have - you"
- Finn was born approximatively in 11 AYB and was taken away from his family by the FO as he was still a baby. In other words, the FO already  existed before his birth
==> Snoke's motive: create an army
- Rey was born approximatively 15 AYB, which implies that Snoke's evil agenda had begun long before her birth

If Snoke's huge agenda begun long before 15AYB and he has been  preparing his stormtrooper army on the one hand and fashioned his masterpiece for 30 years, how is Rey is supposed to fit in his plan since he wasn't able to locate her, reach out to her and brainwash all this time? And if she would be the disparate piece of his plan with Kylo as the darkness and her as the light, then why would Snoke need Kylo to be the focal point of the dark side and the light side? And why would Snoke be able to make Rey the balance between the dark side and the light in barely a few months folowing her awakening where he obviously took all his time with Kylov to fashion his masterpiece?

Kylo and Rey alone already represents a real menace for Snoke in regard to their raw power. Snoke is perfectly aware that Vader  represented a threat to the Emperor: Vader initially intended to crush the Emperor with his raw power for power-hungriness and finally crushed him for compassion.Personally, I wouldn't find very smart from Snoke to have elaborated a plan in which he needs to control 2 FS with raw power who could potentially develop feeling for one another and team up to crush him.

Like you pointed out, Snoke may be after this relic that requires a balance between the DS and the LS to use it. If Ben really embodies the focal point between the darkness and the light that Snoke sees in him, would Snoke need a second FS whom with he shares no specific "attachment" since he hasn't targeted her during her whole life?

It doesn't mean that he coldn't get interested in her power temporarily but I tend to think that he rather sees Rey as a threat to his plan. Here is my interpretation of this TFA novelization dialogue:

There was as much curiosity in Supreme Leader Snoke’s voice as there was disappointment. “This scavenger—this girl—resisted you?”

==> So we learn that there is as much curiosity as disappointment in Snoke's voice. Why is he curious and why is he disappointed? One may think that he is curious about Rey's power and disappointed by Ren's failure. But I don't think this is the case because the reason is here: that scavenger, that girl resisted you? Why the hell do you needs to point out both Rey's status and gender Snoke? Maybe because Snoke knows Kylo Ren  better than any other person since he has been watching him from the whomb. He perfectly knows that nobody can resist his probe: if Kylo would have really forced his way to get the map like he did with Poe, he would have certainly got it. If you want my opinion, Snoke ain't disappointed that Kylo didn't get the map. He is disappointed in the reason why he didn't get the map: the compassion for [b]that girl, thus the reaso why he stresses her gender.
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“That’s all she is, yes. A scavenger from that inconsequential Jakku. Completely untrained, but strong with the Force. Stronger than she knows.” His mask off, Ren replied with what seemed to be his usual assurance. No one else would have sensed a difference. Snoke did"


==> Here Kylo is trying to trick Snoke, trying to get him interested in  Rey's Force-Sensitivity rather than let him focus on the real reason of the failure. He is a little in the situation of a guy getting caught by his girlfriend flirting with another girl and who tries hard to shift the subject. However, no matter how hard he tries to emphasize Rey's Force-sensitivity, it isn't enough to fool Snoke who has identified the real reason why Ren didn't get that map:

The Supreme Leader’s voice was flat. “You have compassion for her.”

“No—never. Compassion? For an enemy of the Order?”

“I perceive the problem,” Snoke intoned. “It isn’t her strength that is making you fail. It’s your weakness.” The rebuke hurt, but Ren didn’t show it.

==> Et voilà! Here we get some sign that Snoke doesn't really care about Rey's Force-sensitivity. If he would, Kylo's trick would have worked. Snoke would have got interested in her power. Instead, Snoke focuses on the thing that bothers him: Kylo's compassion for the girl. He is even so focused on this matter that he completely let aside what should be the real focus of their conversation: how to get the map!

“And you promised me when it came to destroying the Resistance you wouldn’t fail me.” The threatening figure of Snoke leaned toward Ren.

“Kylo Ren. It appears that a reminder is in order. So I will show you the dark side. Bring the girl to me.”

==> Here another sign that Snoke doesn't seem to care about Rey's power. If he would, his curiosity would have become stronger than his disappointment and he would have congratulated Kylo for capturing such a strong FS. Therefore, he would have asked Kylo to bring him Rey for another purpose than a reminder.

This scene from the novelization in particular always gives me the strong feeling that Snoke and Rey are meant to be and remain sworn enemies all along. They are set up in TFA as two rivals competing for Kylo's loyalty because there is some kind of "love" triangle between them:

I mean, the way Snoke speaks to Kylo is way too personal. He is obviously upset and jealous of Kylo's feelings for Rey. I.e. he could have told him "And you promised the FO that when it came to destroying the Resistance you wouldn't fail the FO". Instead, we get "And you promised me when it came to destroying the Resistance, wou wouldn't fail me". This is not something that you hear from your superior. There is something highly personal there, even from Kylo's side:

"The rebuke hurt, but Ren didn’t show it"

Maybe Snoke would get interested in Rey's power on a short term but my feeling is that he would most likely want her dead on the middle term. Maybe that the two devices we observe are actually used for him and Kylo on a regular basis. As for the device on the right, no idea if it would be related to these two symetric "devices" . If I would be Snoke, I would use Rey as a bait to force Kylo to obey me and fulfill my agenda. After all, having a guy surrendering and/or sacrificing  for the girl's sake is quite common.

Little compilation of how far Disney male protagonist are ready to go in order to prove their love for the female protagonist. Don't like much the vocabulary used but anyway I agree with the idea on the paper
https://unapologeticreylotrash.tumblr.com/post/166772351445/parks-and-rex-ruinedchildhood-shang-went-for



Bonus:
Drinks poison to protect Hae Soo :

Breaks royal orders to save defend Hae Soo:


Surrenders to the villain to save Hae Soo: