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DarthRen wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:In this week's ntip, Jason Ward says he's still not seeing any evidence that Rey and Luke leave Ahch-To. No mention of Kylo which is interesting, since we know he ends up on the island too. 

Episode VIII spoiler discussion about the little puffin critters starts around 15 minutes in
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/12/episode-162-makingstarwars-nets-now-this-is-podcasting/

@BastilaBey

Aside from the mention of Daisy filming with John Boyega during Prince William and Harry's visit to the set (and there's doubt around what was going on in there and if it was her or KMT) she seems to have spent the rest of the time filming with Mark Hamill and Adam (at least for the Ireland stuff and presumably the stuff filmed in the studios for that segment).

AD seemed to be mostly filming at the same time as Mark and Daisy but we know nothing about the First Order stuff in VIII, so he's probably filmed scenes with Snoke etc.

If Luke and Rey do stay on Ahch-To for most, if not the entire movie, there's got to be more to it than Jedi training. Again, people are taking what happened with Luke's training with Yoda during TESB and expecting this to be like that, but add Kylo into the mix (and the KoR) and that tree/Jedi temple thingy and it looks much different!

@Mrs Ben Solo

Daisy filmed with John? That means they're together at the end of the movie and they left Ach-To. Doubt Kylo would be with them but then where is he. His shuttle crashed at Ach-To but don't think he'll work with them just yet beacuse as Carrie said he'll go darker and from what we heard he's going to kill them and maybe pursuing something else in that Jedi temple.

@DarthRen

Carrie said: "Rey is very forgiving" and jj's comment "interesting relationship" doesn't sound like "Kylo Ren kills them all"

Maria Antonietta wrote:

DarthRen wrote:

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:

BastilaBey wrote:In this week's ntip, Jason Ward says he's still not seeing any evidence that Rey and Luke leave Ahch-To. No mention of Kylo which is interesting, since we know he ends up on the island too. 

Episode VIII spoiler discussion about the little puffin critters starts around 15 minutes in
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/12/episode-162-makingstarwars-nets-now-this-is-podcasting/

@BastilaBey

Aside from the mention of Daisy filming with John Boyega during Prince William and Harry's visit to the set (and there's doubt around what was going on in there and if it was her or KMT) she seems to have spent the rest of the time filming with Mark Hamill and Adam (at least for the Ireland stuff and presumably the stuff filmed in the studios for that segment).

AD seemed to be mostly filming at the same time as Mark and Daisy but we know nothing about the First Order stuff in VIII, so he's probably filmed scenes with Snoke etc.

If Luke and Rey do stay on Ahch-To for most, if not the entire movie, there's got to be more to it than Jedi training. Again, people are taking what happened with Luke's training with Yoda during TESB and expecting this to be like that, but add Kylo into the mix (and the KoR) and that tree/Jedi temple thingy and it looks much different!

@Mrs Ben Solo

Daisy filmed with John? That means they're together at the end of the movie and they left Ach-To. Doubt Kylo would be with them but then where is he. His shuttle crashed at Ach-To but don't think he'll work with them just yet beacuse as Carrie said he'll go darker and from what we heard he's going to kill them and maybe pursuing something else in that Jedi temple.

@DarthRen

Carrie said: "Rey is very forgiving" and jj's comment "interesting relationship" doesn't sound like "Kylo Ren kills them all"

@Maria Antonietta

Yeah other than making a joke about her son being Space Hitler, I don't ever recall Carrie saying Kylo will get darker in VIII.

I think it was clear he reached his lowest point in TFA, and for him to get darker beyond that would only be redundant.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:@DarthRen All we know for sure is that Daisy was present for the Royal visit when it was reported that something was filmed with Princes William and Harry dressed as Stormtroopers. I believe it was said to be a lift scene with John Boyega, the two Stormtroopers, and possibly Daisy, although it could have been KMT.

It is quite a leap to take that snippet of information and say that Rey and Finn must have been reunited at the end of the movie. There is no other corroboration that they filmed anything together as far as I'm aware.

@Mrs Ben Solo

If I would be in charge of choosing the welcome team for Royal family - I would definitely go with Daisy & John (they're UK citizens and the stars of TFA) + mandatory Mark aka Luke Skywalker.
That doesn't mean at all that they were filming at the day.

DarthRen wrote:

Gemini wrote:You gotta love how Daisy does not actually say her parents are in tfa. Look how much they twisted what was said. She implies that tfa answered a lot about her lineage. I'm pretty sure she never said her parents are in tfa

This is what she says: "I thought a lot was answered in The Force Awakens."

How the hell people think that means she's saying her parents are in tfa is beyond me.


Tfa does 2 things

1. Does not reveal her parents
2. Hints at rey kenobi with film language

So she's either random or kenobi imo

@Gemini

Most of the people and including me thought it's Rey Skywalker and not Kenobi. Not all people go and research thought the internet and they think Rey is Luke's daughter. How lightsaber called to her, it was Anakin's, Luke's and then Rey. They way they looked at each other at Ach-To and how they basically mirror each other upbringing in first movie.

@DarthRen

People ignored what actually happens at the start.

She's in solitude on a sand planet loyally waiting around until she gets called out of solitude to help a droid and the skywalkers

That's all kenobi

It has nothing similar with Luke apart from being both introduced on a sand planet

People totally misread the film

What's sad is Im sure leia and Rey connection had a lot of meaning in this new saga, it's the kenobi leia connection about rey being her only hope and leia had a massive central point to this narrative. It makes me even more heartbroken because I just sense she was a huge part of this narrative with rey and ren

@DarthRen

I just wonder what made you like Reylo? For me admittedly I liked it even back then when I thought they were cousins. I just thought that their interactions were intriguing and held a lot of potential if they werent related. But if they were, then I understood it would never happen anyway.

But now we're here and happily there have been so many debunkings of Reywalker and Reysolo over the past year thanks to the cast themselves, TPTB, and canon novels.

Now I'm even more confident that Reylo is on it's way and nothing will stop it from happening. 

How bout you? You obviously are a fan of Reylo yet seem very doubtful of it. That's okay tho. There are still a lot of Reylo fans out there that don't see it happening, but we could help you understand why it is. That's why this forum is here. 

Also, don't listen to antis when they assume stuff. They hardly do research at all. hahaha. They just base off their headcanons on whatever self fullfilment fantasy they have. Unlike here, we cross examine Rey and Kylo's dynamics with classical literature that proves it is a very timeless kind of fairytale romance that Disney deals a lot with. We also discuss Kylo's inevitable redemption based on his character tragectory and his Skywalker blood makes it all the more possible. 

Maybe you'd like to read some of the metas provided by my fellows here? It'll surely remove your doubt of Reylo. 

Don't worry my friend, the Force is with us!

Hey do you guys think that since Carrie passed away, now the producers team will change Kylo's story and instead of redemption he will just die in some heroic way and either Rey or Finn will turn to be a lost Skywalker? They could CGI her face but I just worried

Sylvia Snow wrote:Hey do you guys think that since Carrie passed away, now the producers team will change Kylo's story and instead of redemption he will just die in some heroic way and either Rey or Finn will turn to be a lost Skywalker? They could CGI her face but I just worried

@Sylvia Snow

And leave monkish Luke as the only Skywalker left? Not going to happen. Kylo has to live to continue the lineage. I can't imagine the trilogy ending with Han, Leia, and Kylo dead. It's unconscionable.

If anything, the fact that Han is dead and that Carrie passed away (which I imagine Leia will too) will force them to push Kylo's redemption storyline even more forward.

They'd cut most of her leading the Resistance scenes to make the reunion with Han more poignant, so here's hoping that no changes are made to her completed role in VIII:

This Cut Scene Would Have Been Carrie Fisher's Best Moment in The Force Awakens

I really wish this had stayed in #TheForceAwakens. Genuine #CarrieFisher pic.twitter.com/BzQgxfAvkV

— Daniel McFadin (@danielmcfadin) December 26, 2016

Carrie Fisher wasn’t in much of the theatrical version of last year’s The Force Awakens, and it seems as though her best line was left on the cutting room floor. In this clip we see General Organa telling a Resistance soldier to contact the Galactic Senate and demand on her behalf that they take action against the First Order, post haste. In defending her mandate, the General tells her soldier, “Not all the senators think I’m insane. Or maybe they do. I don’t really care.” The whole exchange isn’t even 15 seconds long, but it still shows a flash of that brazen Fisher charm that brought fierce life to Princess Leia and Fisher’s career so many decades ago.

Sylvia Snow wrote:Hey do you guys think that since Carrie passed away, now the producers team will change Kylo's story and instead of redemption he will just die in some heroic way and either Rey or Finn will turn to be a lost Skywalker? They could CGI her face but I just worried

@Sylvia Snow

I think it's going to make zero difference to Kylo's redemption story and the romantic angle with Rey (I mean the outcome itself, he can't possibly NOT react to his mother's passing in some way).

Sylvia Snow wrote:Hey do you guys think that since Carrie passed away, now the producers team will change Kylo's story and instead of redemption he will just die in some heroic way and either Rey or Finn will turn to be a lost Skywalker? They could CGI her face but I just worried

@Sylvia Snow

They're not going to change the entire story over this - especially now that VIII is already done, but even if it weren't. I'm not sure how it could possibly affect Kylo's redemption negatively, anyway: if anything, it would make his redemption all the more poignant and necessary. I'm convinced Ben will eventually meet his mother as a Force ghost, which I think they could manage as a combination of unused footage, CGI and a stand-in without it feeling jarring.

I'm more concerned about Leia getting a fitting ending as a hero, instead of being "respectfully" brushed aside and her off-screen death explained in a few words of dialogue before moving on with the story. Han's death was a major plot point; Leia's deserves to be, too. (Whether or not they originally planned for Leia to die at all.)

But I trust Rian and LF to manage this in a way that feels right - right for the story, right for the audience, and (especially) right for the character we've loved all these years.

I'am still in quite a distress.

However I'am aware that the conversation and speculation on ramifications of the sad event is ahead of us (no matter how hard it seems now).

Basicaly, there're two main roles of a character in ST:

Ben's mother (A plot)
General and the leader of the Resistance (B plot)

While, I do think for now that her presence to A plot is important (maybe not directly, but indirectly for sure), I think that the substantial changes in the B plot are inevitable and will entail.
So, someone (Finn or Poe or even maybe KMT) would end as a new leader sooner or later.

Darth Dingbat wrote:

Sylvia Snow wrote:Hey do you guys think that since Carrie passed away, now the producers team will change Kylo's story and instead of redemption he will just die in some heroic way and either Rey or Finn will turn to be a lost Skywalker? They could CGI her face but I just worried

@Sylvia Snow

They're not going to change the entire story over this - especially now that VIII is already done, but even if it weren't. I'm not sure how it could possibly affect Kylo's redemption negatively, anyway: if anything, it would make his redemption all the more poignant and necessary. I'm convinced Ben will eventually meet his mother as a Force ghost, which I think they could manage as a combination of unused footage, CGI and a stand-in without it feeling jarring.

I'm more concerned about Leia getting a fitting ending as a hero, instead of being "respectfully" brushed aside and her off-screen death explained in a few words of dialogue before moving on with the story. Han's death was a major plot point; Leia's deserves to be, too. (Whether or not they originally planned for Leia to die at all.)

But I trust Rian and LF to manage this in a way that feels right - right for the story, right for the audience, and (especially) right for the character we've loved all these years.

@Darth Dingbat

It's still painful to think about, but you basically expressed all the same thoughts I have on how I feel the story will continue, Kylo's arc and how Carrie should be honored. I agree that the story likely won't (and shouldn't) be changed if they can help it. I hope that the extent it can be kept the same, it is. I want Leia's character to to have the fully realized arc she deserves.  

I think that Leia was always going to play an important part in Kylo's return to the light and that will continue to be the case. I cannot think of a more poignant and fitting tribute to Leia and Carrie than having her character directly impacting the events that lead to good winning over evil,  her only son realizing the error of his ways and working to right the wrongs committed.

Unless they have the right sort of footage, they might have very limited options as to how to deal with Leia's ending, unfortunately.

Star Trek managed old!Spock's death in a graceful and respectful manner, but it could be hard dealing with an ending for a character who is supposed to be in the thick of things, fighting against the threat. We'll see I guess.

Was there a rumour that leia ends up in a coma in episode 8?

Maybe she won't wake up.

I doubt it will end the redemption story. I know it sounds ruthless but they will find a way to make it work and fit with the redemption story. Leias death can be used as a strong development for kylo.

To be honest, I never thought that Leia would have much to do with Kylo's redemption story, as a motivational force. The shape of the story to me always looked like, Kylo's family can't save him, they tried but it backfired badly and whatever feelings he has for them still just aren't enough. I thought it was likeliest that in Episode VIII, Leia would finally lose all hope of him coming back, just so that it could stress the sheer hopelessness. Plus, TFA was all about the father/son relationship and the mother/son relationship was extremely one-sided, we were shown how Leia cared for her son but she did not seem to figure in any way on his side other than indirectly in Han's "we miss you", it was all angst about Han and trying to find Luke. I didn't think it was likely to change much in the next films.

Rei of Sunshine wrote:@DarthRen

I just wonder what made you like Reylo? For me admittedly I liked it even back then when I thought they were cousins. I just thought that their interactions were intriguing and held a lot of potential if they werent related. But if they were, then I understood it would never happen anyway.

But now we're here and happily there have been so many debunkings of Reywalker and Reysolo over the past year thanks to the cast themselves, TPTB, and canon novels.

Now I'm even more confident that Reylo is on it's way and nothing will stop it from happening. 

How bout you? You obviously are a fan of Reylo yet seem very doubtful of it. That's okay tho. There are still a lot of Reylo fans out there that don't see it happening, but we could help you understand why it is. That's why this forum is here. 

Also, don't listen to antis when they assume stuff. They hardly do research at all. hahaha. They just base off their headcanons on whatever self fullfilment fantasy they have. Unlike here, we cross examine Rey and Kylo's dynamics with classical literature that proves it is a very timeless kind of fairytale romance that Disney deals a lot with. We also discuss Kylo's inevitable redemption based on his character tragectory and his Skywalker blood makes it all the more possible. 

Maybe you'd like to read some of the metas provided by my fellows here? It'll surely remove your doubt of Reylo. 

Don't worry my friend, the Force is with us!

@Rei of Sunshine

You see people around me either don't care about them or despise them. So it kinda has an effect and put doubts in my mind what if Disney went for different route or not a romance. But must say Star Wars are always had a romance that pushes the plot.

When I watched TFA, I thought like others around that Rey is Luke's daughter but then wouldn't that be easy and i checked who is Rian Johnson and knowing JJ style. Also find out on youtube and tumblr about Reylo and read some analysis on them and Revan/Bastila inspirations and other things. I became intrigued by this ship because originally the way they promoted Rey and Finn. I thought they'd go with them and I will ship them. I ship Reylo and Stormpilot. It seemed to me like an obvious route to go with Finn and Rey. I understand JJ didn't wanted two reveal in the same movie but they way JJ, Daisy basically contradict each other in some way about her parentage or maybe Im just a bit confused about this. A lot of people thought Rey is a Solo and we know that Rey is not a Solo and sister of Kylo.

Also must say my ships kinda always sunked and you know Reylo is a very controversial but with a strong fanbase. Glad, I found out a place where people won't insult you for this or telling how sick that relationship is. So, more than anything I'm careful with it because I care a lot for Reylo but if it ends up as a family relationship even tho not sure how cousins would have a sexual chemistry, but still i'd would like them. Not as much as romance because there haven't been villain and hero romance, they're fascinating together.

This is pretty much my view and sorry if I came around as pessimistic. I would really like them to be together at the end of the trilogy maybe not marriage or kids but together, having a strong bond and preferably on Millenium Falcon with Chewie. Although not sure how Chewie would react to Kylo. From my perspective Kylo and Rey are soulmates and understand each other.

On tumblr I think Ohtze and Gwendy85 are my favourite accounts. I think both of them are on this site or at least I think so.

Saracene wrote:To be honest, I never thought that Leia would have much to do with Kylo's redemption story, as a motivational force. The shape of the story to me always looked like, Kylo's family can't save him, they tried but it backfired badly and whatever feelings he has for them still just aren't enough. I thought it was likeliest that in Episode VIII, Leia would finally lose all hope of him coming back, just so that it could stress the sheer hopelessness. Plus, TFA was all about the father/son relationship and the mother/son relationship was extremely one-sided, we were shown how Leia cared for her son but she did not seem to figure in any way on his side other than indirectly in Han's "we miss you", it was all angst about Han and trying to find Luke. I didn't think it was likely to change much in the next films.

@Saracene

You could be right.

I just remember an interesting response from Pablo though about kylo warning leia about the fo attack.

I think his dynamic is different with leia and she does bring the light out in him

Also her going into a coma does sound like a possible plot device (although I hate when women are used as plot devices like that so a man can shine)

Saracene wrote:

Sylvia Snow wrote:Hey do you guys think that since Carrie passed away, now the producers team will change Kylo's story and instead of redemption he will just die in some heroic way and either Rey or Finn will turn to be a lost Skywalker? They could CGI her face but I just worried

@Sylvia Snow

I think it's going to make zero difference to Kylo's redemption story and the romantic angle with Rey (I mean the outcome itself, he can't possibly NOT react to his mother's passing in some way).

@Saracene

I agree with @Saracene about that. I am quite confident that Kylo will be redeemed anyway because these lines in TFA can't be there in vain:

Han to Finn: "Women always figure out the truth! Always!"

Later in the movie, this happens...

Leia to Han: "There's still light in him, I know it!" ==> Han to Leia : "There's too much Vader in him!"

...which can't be anything else than a callback to..

Padme to Obi-Wan: "There's good in him! I know there's still..." ==> Obi-Wan to Luke : "He's more a machine than a man! Twisted and evil!" vs. Luke to Obi-Wan: "There is still good in him!"

Although I don't really like the meaning implied by that sentence "women always find out the truth" (as if it was a question of gender!), I assume that this line wasn't there by accident, only to give advice to a young man. The screenwriters obviously wanted to have Han deliver this specific line somewhen prior to his confrontation with Leia but not too soon before their meeting because the meaning would have been too obvious.

Now, some thoughts about what could happen next. I honestly don't think that Carrie's passing will affect so much Leia's fate because I 've always believed that the screenwriters wouldn't let her survive beyond the end of the sequel trilogy:
1. It does have an impact on her character's journey that she's lost the love of her life even if she's so tough. To me, it makes sense that the screenwriters would let her die after she would have accomplished her duty because a big part of her life and herself has gone with Han's death.
2. This woman has such sense of duty and self-sacrifice so she will of  continue the fight both against the First Order and for her son's soul no matter what happened to Han. That's why, I've always assumed that if she had to die at some point of the trilogy, it would occur in some heroic & emotional way, with some purpose behind this death. As for me, I can hardly imagine Leia dying before being reunited with her son because this is now the most important fight of her life but I also can't imagine her dying without playing any major role for the Resistance.  
3. Both TFA and Rogue One prove that the screenwriters ain't afraid to have beloved characters killed if it serves the plot and the quality of the story in general

Now, what could it imply for Leia's role in Episode VIII and IX?

Scenario 1: Leia's death was planed only in Episode IX or not planed at all

Then, it's going to make the things incredibly complex for both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow unless they planed to have her in coma by the end of Episode VIII  the same way Finn was by the end of TFA...

Scenario 2: Leia's death was already planed in Episode VIII anyway

This is of course the easiest way for the Star Wars crew to make sense to her absence in Episode IX so it wouldn't change so much the way they filmed it originally. I think that this scenario makes a lot of sense and I dare hope this is the way Rian Johnson saw things because:
1. If Kylo is supposed to live beyond the sequel trilogy, the screenwriters must have him come back to the light much sooner than Vader did. What I find unsettlng in Vader's redemption is the fact that it occured only at the very last moment. I think that this is a blank that Kylo's character could fill by letting him experience a slow and torturous path to redemption.
2. Both TFA movie and novelization strongly suggests that Ben was close with his mother and remain emotionally bonded with her trough the Force so I really can't imagine  imagine some scene where Kylo would sort of torture his mother to get the information he needs about Ahch-To's location. This would be the very last thing to do to make the audience feel some sympathy toward him by the end of the trilogy and it wouldn't serve the "nuance and ambiguity" that Adam brings so often in his interviews
3. If Kylo is really supposed to be "Anakin in reverse", it makes sense to me that Leia would play some role in his redemption and even be the cause of his first steps back to the light. Shmi's death was the cause of Anakin's first step to the dark side so why Leia's death wouldn't be Ben's first steps back to the light?
a. All spoilers about Leia in Episode VIII reported assassination's attempt, coma, capture, torture, "saving herself from death with the help of the Force"... I don't give so much credit to spoilers but all of them strongly suggest that she'll be in grave danger in Episode VIII
b. If Leia is really supposed to experience physical suffering or near-death during Episode VIII, I can hardly imagine Kylo/Ben staying right where he is and waiting that she passes. I rather imagine him giving priority to his "personal interests" in this case and go after her the way Anakin travelled the whole galaxy to go after Shmi.
c. In Episode II, Shmi was capture and tortured by the Tuskens so I imagine Leia being captured and tortured by the First Order, which would definitely make Ben/Kylo question their methods. Let's not forget that Snoke forbids to let Kylo's birth name known so the First Order may not know that Leia is actually Kylo's mother. When Poe was tortured by Kylo, he already had been beaten before. Hux stand right next to the door when Kylo emerged: what if he was the one who had beaten Poe? What if he would be the one to torture Leia, showing the audience he's the real brute/Gaston? Then Ben would have a personal reason to despise him even more.

I can already imagine some comments that this kind of mother-son's reunion would provoke: "Leia was always such a bad*** woman! Why having her die being saved by her son rather than saving herself! Such an insignificant ending like Shmi and Padme!"

Well, as a woman I have honestly no problem with this idea that Leia would die, completed, in her son's arms after being finally reunited with him a last time. She's spent her whole life fighting, rescuing others and never complaning about all the losses she experienced. She has nothing else to do to prove that she's a strong character no matter her gender is. Strong women can also be emotional and this is why I like the Leia of TFA so much: she's a tough and brillant general but she's also an emotional & heartbroken character. I don't see why giving her an emotional ending with her son, being rescued by him after having rescued herself and others so many times in her life, would reduce her character in any way. It also depends in which context she would be captured/tortured/hurt and what would be her legacy. Why not having her i.e. giving Ben a decisive information that both the First Order and the Resistance want, making Ben the focal point between the two sides right before the last part of the episode? This would be an intereting callback to Rogue One's ending with Leia sort of passing the torch to her son and hoping he would make things right.

All these thoughts are of course pure speculations. I'm not married to these ideas although I dare hope that this is the direction they planed to go no matter what happened to Carrie. The most important for me is that Carrie gets the role and significance she deserves for her legacy to both the Star Wars universe and us as human beings.[/i]

People, don't take "Leia in a coma" as an established fact. That came from the same leak that claimed Laura Dern is playing an uptight Resistance officer. Later on MSW claimed Dern has an aristocratic look with ornate pink hair and a fancy dress.

Now, she could of course be an uptight Resistance officer who sashays in pink hair and fancy gowns... who knows. But more likely one of these rumours is false. Or perhaps even both of them are.

Gemini wrote:I just remember an interesting response from Pablo though about kylo warning leia about the fo attack.

I think his dynamic is different with leia and she does bring the light out in him

Also her going into a coma does sound like a possible plot device (although I hate when women are used as plot devices like that so a man can shine)

@Gemini

If I remember right, the question put to Pablo didn't mention Kylo's name, it was just a broad question about how The Resistance knew about the FO plan, which Pablo remarked on as a great question or something along these lines.

I find Kylo's involvement unlikely because in the movie it was all about his resolve to prove himself worthy to Snoke etc., and it just seems weird if, at the same time, he just happened to succumb to soft feelings totally offscreen and warned his mother. And then turned around again and killed his father. Too convoluted IMO.

And really, from the movie we know absolutely nothing about Kylo's dynamic with his mother and how he feels about her specifically. Anakin's mother was important to him, but her importance was right there in the very first movie, the PT didn't just make her suddenly important in the second film. I feel BTW like these movies can only ever make *one* parent important at a time.

Darth Dingbat wrote:People, don't take "Leia in a coma" as an established fact. That came from the same leak that claimed Laura Dern is playing an uptight Resistance officer. Later on MSW claimed Dern has an aristocratic look with ornate pink hair and a fancy dress.

Now, she could of course be an uptight Resistance officer who sashays in pink hair and fancy gowns... who knows. But more likely one of these rumours is false. Or perhaps even both of them are.

@Darth Dingbat
According to Deadline Carrie is/was supposed to have a big role in episode VIII and they seem to be a reliable source so I don't think she'll spend most of the film in coma:

For Episode VIII, Leia had a larger role, we’re told, and her daughter, Billie Lourd also is in that film as well as in Force Awakens. How Lucasfilm will deal with the loss of one of the most beloved female characters in any franchise is not known, however, and the company is remaining mum.
http://deadline.com/2016/12/carrie-fisher-death-star-wars-plans-episode-viii-1201876118/

I believe, regardless of what the directors will decide about Leah's absence in episode 9, one thing is certain: Kylo, ​​more than before, has to be redeemed, he deserves a happy ending with Rey. Kylo is the only inheritance of the Two more intense and traumatic couples from every trilogy ... the son of Leah and Han Solo deserves to be loved and forgiven, finding the belonging he has always needed in life with the one person in this movie capable of understanding him. Imagine what deplorable end would be to see the fruit of the love of Han and Leah getting killed by Rey's lightsaber?

Ugh idk seems like whatever happens, Leia is going to die, which is going to make this story so much more depressing. Before, Kylo would carry the burden of killing Han, but would have his mother there for him in the end. Now he's going to lose his mother, and Kylo's going to feel guilty about that as well. I guess Luke will have to be there for him. Yeah Rey would be his ultimate means to get to the light side, but once he's there, it would've been good for family to be there on that side waiting for him, someone who loved him as a child. Ugh it's gonna be so heartbreaking!! It would be pretty perfect if they had good footage of Carrie standing and saying emotional stuff, I'm guessing they could Force ghost that.

rey09 wrote:Ugh idk seems like whatever happens, Leia is going to die, which is going to make this story so much more depressing. Before, Kylo would carry the burden of killing Han, but would have his mother there for him in the end. Now he's going to lose his mother, and Kylo's going to feel guilty about that as well. I guess Luke will have to be there for him. Yeah Rey would be his ultimate means to get to the light side, but once he's there, it would've been good for family to be there on that side waiting for him, someone who loved him as a child. Ugh it's gonna be so heartbreaking!! It would be pretty perfect if they had good footage of Carrie standing and saying emotional stuff, I'm guessing they could Force ghost that.

@rey09
It's really so deperessing not only for Kylo but for Leia as well.She's went through so much suffering and lost so much in her life and to think she';; die beliving her son's still on the DS is heartbreaking end for her character.Yes,she will most likely die heroically(I'm sure LF will do their best to respect Carrie and her legacy)and there's the possability of her as a FG but it won't be the same(and she also wanted to be a garndma badly and she won't even get that.Now that scene with Han and baby Ben is even more bittersweet).
I gess Kylo and Rey will need each other more than anything since they'll both be orphans.