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It's possible Luke wants Kylo dead to avenge Han, but I don't get why he would want Rey to do it.

I don't think it is Zuvio that Kylo kills. The face looked human.

LondonGal555 wrote:In the adult novelization when Unkar finds Rey in Mazs castle he said he found her because he has a tracking device on the falcon

@LondonGal555

I read the adult novelization and I didn't even remember that!

"How did you find me?
"The ship you stole. The millennium falcon. You can't really track a ship while is in hyperspace- but when it emerges, and particularly after it sets down somewhere, there are ways. Expensive, but in the case of valuable property, often worth it. Definitely worth it in the case of the falcon. It happens to be fitted with a covert imperial homing device. Old technology, But still functional to which my presence here can attest."

Rogue Rey wrote:

panki wrote:

Rogue Rey wrote:What does anyone think of the rumour/spoiler that the wreck seen in some set photos from the Ireland shoot are of Kylo's command shuttle and that Luke brought it down or it crashed due to a storm?    

Also that it's bounty hunters on Ahch-To Rey faces in her Force vision?  It could fit with the Clan Leader theory from the Force vision.  I still think it's Constable Zuvio who gets stabbed by Kylo - don't forget that he's a resident of Jakku (and a bounty hunter no less).  Plus Simon Pegg is apparently returning as Unkar Plutt (and without being involved in Rey's SL why else and who else will he be connected to?? - Chewie in revenge for his arm???)  

So perhaps there is a tracker on the Falcon thanks to Unkar.  And he and a band of his cronies go to Ahch-To to get revenge and ta da Kylo appears to save Rey - he could even be disguised as a bounty hunter in order to get to Ahch-To without notice (It'd be a cool call back to his Mother in Jedi + even his Grandmother going is disguise in the PT).  Also there were the shots of the large pinkish slab of meat on the side of the hill (Unkar!!???)

Sorry if these rumours/spoilers have already been discussed - I've not read the entire thread   And I've been listening to way tooo many podcasts, but I like theorising - probably in the wrong place.

@Rogue Rey

You're int he right place and I love theorising as well....infact, I do think Unkar will follow the tracker on the MF to Ach-to with bounty hunters to capture Rey...I don't think the guy who Kylo stabs is Zuvio though....Zuvio is a cop on Jakku and is a very ethical guy, as per a canon short story that was released last year...I doubt he would join Unkar in any of his shady dealings....but there have been other bounty hunters who wore this type of bowl hat so it could be one of them.

I also have a theory that Unkar gave information on the tracker he put on the MF to Hux for reward money...and that is why Hux tells Snoke that they tracked the rebels to the Ileenium system in TFA....they were basically tracking the movements of the MF...and will probably continue to do so into episode 8.

@panki

Okay it might not be Zuvio but someone else but I do think that Unkar is going to play his part because why else bring the guy back otherwise??  He's clearly got issues with Rey - I mean he followed her to Takodana so is it unlikely he'd just give up on getting the Falcon back - he knew exactly what ship it was and it's worth.  Plus Rey is almost like a possession to him too.

I like your theory about Plutt feeding info to the FO - it makes sense.  And it would work into my theory about Plutt going to to Ahch-To to get Rey but flip it and have Kylo going separately with or without the KOR to Ahch-To.  Luke would hate it - going from an island of 1 to being overrun with 'visitors'!!!  That'd make him angry - maybe angry enough to blow up a hut???

@Rogue Rey

At this rate, Luke should get into the tourism business and open up a home stay...

@panki Honestly this goes pretty well with me imagining Luke wearing a Hawaian shirt while sitting near a campfire along with Rey and Kylo (who looks like he wants to be miles away) XD

I can't wait for the Air BnB listing for Ache-to to turn up closer to the movie's released! In terms of the tracker, if they go that route it's another callback. Although at this point, you'd think at least Leia would've had the sense to get Chewie to disable it before he and Rey took off for Ache-to.

In terms of speculating, the nice thing about this place is that it's sensible speculating. Meaning that everybody here comes up with pretty solid/defensible theories and that it's about the fun of figuring out a puzzle. Versus the rest of the Internet!

Speaking of bouncing around theories, here's a question about two which have been discussed here recently and how you'd reconcile them. So if there's the rumor that Rey is a descendant/relative of Obi-Wan, how would that jibe with the speculation that Luke's responsible for whatever happened to Rey's parents? Like he's going to be dark or at least a little loopy, but killing off relatives of Obi-Wan (if that rumor bears out) would be maybe a little too dark. I just noticed those two ideas coming up in the past week and wondered if it's possible to coexist.

And if the rumor is that he tells Rey to kill Ben and she refuses, that's kind of the same thing Obi-Wan did to him with father. Obviously different reasons because we're supposing it's not "I can't kill my cousin," especially because they already played on that with Han's murder.

snufkin wrote:I can't wait for the Air BnB listing for Ache-to to turn up closer to the movie's released! In terms of the tracker, if they go that route it's another callback. Although at this point, you'd think at least Leia would've had the sense to get Chewie to disable it before he and Rey took off for Ache-to.

In terms of speculating, the nice thing about this place is that it's sensible speculating. Meaning that everybody here comes up with pretty solid/defensible theories and that it's about the fun of figuring out a puzzle. Versus the rest of the Internet!

Speaking of bouncing around theories, here's a question about two which have been discussed here recently and how you'd reconcile them. So if there's the rumor that Rey is a descendant/relative of Obi-Wan, how would that jibe with the speculation that Luke's responsible for whatever happened to Rey's parents? Like he's going to be dark or at least a little loopy, but killing off relatives of Obi-Wan (if that rumor bears out) would be maybe a little too dark. I just noticed those two ideas coming up in the past week and wondered if it's possible to coexist.

And if the rumor is that he tells Rey to kill Ben and she refuses, that's kind of the same thing Obi-Wan did to him with father. Obviously different reasons because we're supposing it's not "I can't kill my cousin," especially because they already played on that with Han's murder.

@snufkin

FWIW, I think that Rey could be a Kenobi, but I don't think that Luke (knowingly, at least) is responsible for what happened to her parents.

I think Snoke has to be the one responsible, otherwise that would be turning Luke into her primary enemy instead of Snoke, and I'm pretty confident that Rey and Kylo will both be taking on Snoke together by the end of IX. Rey needs motivation to do that beyond her possibly getting romantically involved with Kylo.

Ever read Reys survival guide? It says she waits for her people to return for her.
I think she could be royalty. I think snoke has everything to do with her being left.

ReyofLightSide wrote:It's possible Luke wants Kylo dead to avenge Han, but I don't get why he would want Rey to do it.

I don't think it is Zuvio that Kylo kills. The face looked human.

@ReyofLightSide

I guess the simple answer is, he just can't bring himself to do it and believes that an outsider like Rey would have no difficulty in carrying out the task for him. But of course, he should be mistaken...

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

snufkin wrote:I can't wait for the Air BnB listing for Ache-to to turn up closer to the movie's released! In terms of the tracker, if they go that route it's another callback. Although at this point, you'd think at least Leia would've had the sense to get Chewie to disable it before he and Rey took off for Ache-to.

In terms of speculating, the nice thing about this place is that it's sensible speculating. Meaning that everybody here comes up with pretty solid/defensible theories and that it's about the fun of figuring out a puzzle. Versus the rest of the Internet!

Speaking of bouncing around theories, here's a question about two which have been discussed here recently and how you'd reconcile them. So if there's the rumor that Rey is a descendant/relative of Obi-Wan, how would that jibe with the speculation that Luke's responsible for whatever happened to Rey's parents? Like he's going to be dark or at least a little loopy, but killing off relatives of Obi-Wan (if that rumor bears out) would be maybe a little too dark. I just noticed those two ideas coming up in the past week and wondered if it's possible to coexist.  

And if the rumor is that he tells Rey to kill Ben and she refuses, that's kind of the same thing Obi-Wan did to him with father. Obviously different reasons because we're supposing it's not "I can't kill my cousin," especially because they already played on that with Han's murder.

@snufkin

FWIW, I think that Rey could be a Kenobi, but I don't think that Luke (knowingly, at least) is responsible for what happened to her parents.

I think Snoke has to be the one responsible, otherwise that would be turning Luke into her primary enemy instead of Snoke, and I'm pretty confident that Rey and Kylo will both be taking on Snoke together by the end of IX. Rey needs motivation to do that beyond her possibly getting romantically involved with Kylo.

@ISeeAnIsland

I've just seen both theories a lot recently with a certain level of confidence about the Kenobi one. Which to my mind, would seriously undermine the chances of Luke having been involved with whatever happened to her parents. The Snoke part, I tend to think it gives more motivation/weight for a relationship on both sides with her and Ben. He pretty clearly needs/wants her aid in whatever he's up to. But if he goes the route of evolving beyond tragic villain and is meant to go from selfish to selfless, it has to be more than just "Snoke will hurt her because she's FS and there's a tragic backstory to make him feel compassion for her (besides wanting to bone her)." Plus Luke's already under the weight of whatever decisions he made that led to damaging his sister's son and causing his fall to the DS. It seems really excessive to add anything related to Rey on top of that.

@LondonGal555 - maybe royalty. My guess is that she's definitely somebody important besides just being super powerful in the Force. Like if her family were part of the Empire or FO and their faction was killed off as Snoke consolidated power. That's my guess at least. And that she's been a fugitive from Snoke and the FO for a much longer time than just escaping from Jakku with BB-8 and Finn. Which goes back to when she was first abandoned on Jakku.

With the Kenobi theory I keep going back to, if she is then Luke would know it/sense her. I doubt they will have Luke responsible for her parents' death, but how was she left on her own for so long?

Would love to know what his first words will be to her. Speculation is it will be something like "You shouldn't be here" or "You shouldn't have come." but that is pretty predictable. The end of TFA was so powerful and I wonder what the first line will be.

"Who talks first?"- when Poe said that line, I knew I would love TFA.

snufkin wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

snufkin wrote:I can't wait for the Air BnB listing for Ache-to to turn up closer to the movie's released! In terms of the tracker, if they go that route it's another callback. Although at this point, you'd think at least Leia would've had the sense to get Chewie to disable it before he and Rey took off for Ache-to.

In terms of speculating, the nice thing about this place is that it's sensible speculating. Meaning that everybody here comes up with pretty solid/defensible theories and that it's about the fun of figuring out a puzzle. Versus the rest of the Internet!

Speaking of bouncing around theories, here's a question about two which have been discussed here recently and how you'd reconcile them. So if there's the rumor that Rey is a descendant/relative of Obi-Wan, how would that jibe with the speculation that Luke's responsible for whatever happened to Rey's parents? Like he's going to be dark or at least a little loopy, but killing off relatives of Obi-Wan (if that rumor bears out) would be maybe a little too dark. I just noticed those two ideas coming up in the past week and wondered if it's possible to coexist.  

And if the rumor is that he tells Rey to kill Ben and she refuses, that's kind of the same thing Obi-Wan did to him with father. Obviously different reasons because we're supposing it's not "I can't kill my cousin," especially because they already played on that with Han's murder.

@snufkin

FWIW, I think that Rey could be a Kenobi, but I don't think that Luke (knowingly, at least) is responsible for what happened to her parents.

I think Snoke has to be the one responsible, otherwise that would be turning Luke into her primary enemy instead of Snoke, and I'm pretty confident that Rey and Kylo will both be taking on Snoke together by the end of IX. Rey needs motivation to do that beyond her possibly getting romantically involved with Kylo.

@ISeeAnIsland

I've just seen both theories a lot recently with a certain level of confidence about the Kenobi one. Which to my mind, would seriously undermine the chances of Luke having been involved with whatever happened to her parents. The Snoke part, I tend to think it gives more motivation/weight for a relationship on both sides with her and Ben. Plus Luke's already under the weight of whatever decisions he made that led to damaging his sister's son and causing his fall to the DS. It seems really excessive to add anything related to Rey on top of that.

@LondonGal555 - maybe royalty. My guess is that she's definitely somebody important besides just being super powerful in the Force. Like if her family were part of the Empire or FO and their faction was killed off as Snoke consolidated power. That's my guess at least. And that she's been a fugitive from Snoke and the FO for a much longer time than just escaping from Jakku with BB-8 and Finn. Which goes back to when she was first abandoned on Jakku.

@snufkin

Maybe Luke wasn't directly responsible for what happened to her parents, but maybe he feels responsible because he didn't do enough or couldn't stop some horrible event(s) from happening?  I don't know.  I guess it's just more for the Mystery Box.

Irina de France wrote:@panki Honestly this goes pretty well with me imagining Luke wearing a Hawaian shirt while sitting near a campfire along with Rey and Kylo (who looks like he wants to be miles away) XD

@Irina de France

Put Rey in a tropical version of the metal bikini and Kylo will be up for a staycation.

Kyla Ren wrote:
@snufkin

Maybe Luke wasn't directly responsible for what happened to her parents, but maybe he feels responsible because he didn't do enough or couldn't stop some horrible event(s) from happening?  I don't know.  I guess it's just more for the Mystery Box.

@Kyla Ren

Damn Mystery Box! No, I just think Luke's big dramatic atonement has to do with whatever danger he put his vulnerable nephew in the middle of. Not to mention the guilt of his sister putting her trust in him. So it doesn't make sense to have him also be making amends to Rey, whether she's his supposed long lost/abandoned daughter or if she's a descendant/relation of Obi-Wans.

I could see it being a situation where if he's supposedly been part of a LS related movement, if her family were DS affiliated and maybe tried to reach out or try to find an alliance with them. And they're rejected by him, only to later be taken out by Snoke.

snufkin wrote:

Kyla Ren wrote:
@snufkin

Maybe Luke wasn't directly responsible for what happened to her parents, but maybe he feels responsible because he didn't do enough or couldn't stop some horrible event(s) from happening?  I don't know.  I guess it's just more for the Mystery Box.

@Kyla Ren

Damn Mystery Box! No, I just think Luke's big dramatic atonement has to do with whatever danger he put his vulnerable nephew in the middle of. Not to mention the guilt of his sister putting her trust in him. So it doesn't make sense to have him also be making amends to Rey, whether she's his supposed long lost/abandoned daughter or if she's a descendant/relation of Obi-Wans.

I could see it being a situation where if he's supposedly been part of a LS related movement, if her family were DS affiliated and maybe tried to reach out or try to find an alliance with them. And they're rejected by him, only to later be taken out by Snoke.

@snufkin

That's an interesting idea.  That would make him not directly responsible but maybe responsible enough that he feels guilty about what happened.  And it would probably be enough for Rey to feel conflicted about Luke and training with him.

Kyla Ren wrote:

snufkin wrote:

Kyla Ren wrote:
@snufkin

Maybe Luke wasn't directly responsible for what happened to her parents, but maybe he feels responsible because he didn't do enough or couldn't stop some horrible event(s) from happening?  I don't know.  I guess it's just more for the Mystery Box.

@Kyla Ren

Damn Mystery Box! No, I just think Luke's big dramatic atonement has to do with whatever danger he put his vulnerable nephew in the middle of. Not to mention the guilt of his sister putting her trust in him. So it doesn't make sense to have him also be making amends to Rey, whether she's his supposed long lost/abandoned daughter or if she's a descendant/relation of Obi-Wans.

I could see it being a situation where if he's supposedly been part of a LS related movement, if her family were DS affiliated and maybe tried to reach out or try to find an alliance with them. And they're rejected by him, only to later be taken out by Snoke.

@snufkin

That's an interesting idea.  That would make him not directly responsible but maybe responsible enough that he feels guilty about what happened.  And it would probably be enough for Rey to feel conflicted about Luke and training with him.

@Kyla Ren

It sounds like there'll be space politics happening in VIII, so that's one thought. I always thought from my first viewing that her parents likely got mixed up in a situation with Snoke and/or the FO and were killed as a result. If the "closing ranks" action that some posters on here have said was being shown in Aftermath of the Imperial Forces weeding out internal divisions/rivalries, that could work in this situation if they were either affiliated with the FO/former Imperials or DS-ers.

snufkin wrote:

Kyla Ren wrote:

snufkin wrote:

Kyla Ren wrote:
@snufkin

Maybe Luke wasn't directly responsible for what happened to her parents, but maybe he feels responsible because he didn't do enough or couldn't stop some horrible event(s) from happening?  I don't know.  I guess it's just more for the Mystery Box.

@Kyla Ren

Damn Mystery Box! No, I just think Luke's big dramatic atonement has to do with whatever danger he put his vulnerable nephew in the middle of. Not to mention the guilt of his sister putting her trust in him. So it doesn't make sense to have him also be making amends to Rey, whether she's his supposed long lost/abandoned daughter or if she's a descendant/relation of Obi-Wans.

I could see it being a situation where if he's supposedly been part of a LS related movement, if her family were DS affiliated and maybe tried to reach out or try to find an alliance with them. And they're rejected by him, only to later be taken out by Snoke.

@snufkin

That's an interesting idea.  That would make him not directly responsible but maybe responsible enough that he feels guilty about what happened.  And it would probably be enough for Rey to feel conflicted about Luke and training with him.

@Kyla Ren

It sounds like there'll be space politics happening in VIII, so that's one thought. I always thought from my first viewing that her parents likely got mixed up in a situation with Snoke and/or the FO and were killed as a result. If the "closing ranks" action that some posters on here have said was being shown in Aftermath of the Imperial Forces weeding out internal divisions/rivalries, that could work in this situation if they were either affiliated with the FO/former Imperials or DS-ers.

@snufkin

That's my guess if she's Rey Random (i.e. Rey Parents-not-yet-introduced) or Rey Palpatine. I'm not sure how you'd work a Kenobi lineage into that theory, at least, it would seem strange if she's his granddaughter. (I'm not convinced that Rey Kenobi automatically equals Obi-wan's granddaughter.)

ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin

That's my guess if she's Rey Random (i.e. Rey Parents-not-yet-introduced) or Rey Palpatine. I'm not sure how you'd work a Kenobi lineage into that theory, at least, it would seem strange if she's his granddaughter. (I'm not convinced that Rey Kenobi automatically equals Obi-wan's granddaughter.)

@ISeeAnIsland

Definitely if Rey Random DS-er. Wonder if they'll also give a backstory for Finn in terms of how he was taken from his family, who his parents are/were. They have to with the central 3 being taken as part of the Empire Needs Children theme and going to the trouble of creating a backstory/family history for Poe which ties him in with the OT.

Mana wrote:

ReyofLightSide wrote:It's possible Luke wants Kylo dead to avenge Han, but I don't get why he would want Rey to do it.

I don't think it is Zuvio that Kylo kills. The face looked human.

@ReyofLightSide

I guess the simple answer is, he just can't bring himself to do it and believes that an outsider like Rey would have no difficulty in carrying out the task for him. But of course, he should be mistaken...

@Mana

Luke could want Kylo dead if he under some assumption that by killing Kylo, the balance of the Force could somehow be restored to the way it should be. Since Kylo have both the Light and Dark inside him, he was supposed to be the balance but now he's joining Snoke and Luke could mistakenly think that in order to defeat Snoke, Kylo must be killed since he's the apprentice and the power that Snoke seeks. And since Kylo have a soft spot for Rey, Luke would take that advantage by asking Rey to be the one to kill Kylo, exploiting the compassion Kylo have for her

This makes me think of the scene they edited, of Snoke with Young Ben. I wonder if they'll show this scene in EpVIII and it's one of the things that changes Rey's opinion of him?

I actually would like to see Luke going 'dark'; it would be an interesting twist if Rey refused because she 'still sees light' in him and Luke is reminded of his own refusal to kill his father at Obi Wan's request.

motherofpearl1 wrote:I actually would like to see Luke going 'dark'; it would be an interesting twist if Rey refused because she 'still sees light' in him and Luke is reminded of his own refusal to kill his father at Obi Wan's request.

@motherofpearl1

Sounds pretty Lion King II-ish, when Kiara convinces Simba that Zira and her gang are not "the enemy".

Rimfaxe96 wrote:

motherofpearl1 wrote:I actually would like to see Luke going 'dark'; it would be an interesting twist if Rey refused because she 'still sees light' in him and Luke is reminded of his own refusal to kill his father at Obi Wan's request.

@motherofpearl1

Sounds pretty Lion King II-ish, when Kiara convinces Simba that Zira and her gang are not "the enemy".

@Rimfaxe96

Well, Kiara and Kovu are A LOT like Rey and Kylo:

LondonGal555 wrote:Ever read Reys survival guide? It says she waits for her people to return for her.    
I think she could be royalty.  I think snoke has everything to do with her being left.  

@LondonGal555

I feel there is too much being read into the rumor by Anthony Brenznican....all he said was this:

I have heard rumors that the one reason they haven’t moved sooner on Obi-Wan is that they’re not done with Obi-Wan quite yet in the Saga films. So I wouldn’t be surprised to see an Obi-Wan thing happen beyond Episode IX.

He never mentions Rey at any point of time. I'm still not convinced she is Obi-wan's grand daughter or great grand daughter, and feel adding such a plot will only spoil him as a character. Rey can definitely be a Kenobi but going by the EU parallels, she could either:

1. Be his grand niece via a brother (Obi-wan had visions of a brother);
2. Be his clone created on Bespin by the FO who attempted to re-create Anakin Skywalker using old robes they found with Vader....discovered they were actually Obi-wans when she turned 5 and left her on Jakku to die or live out her life as Unkar's slave.

Now returning to why I think making Rey a grand daughter or great grand daughter of Obi-wan would feel forced and mess with his character....The only canon LI we know Obi-wan had was Satine.

There is a theory is Korkie is his son...this is problematic because:

a. Obi-wan is around 35 (at the most) when he lands up on Tatooine....Korkie is at the Royal Academy of government one year before TCW ends so he would be 19-early 20s.....so counting back, Obi-wan would have to be between 15-18 years old when he fathered Korkie; Satine would be the same or even younger   ....SW is a family movie series, especially the trilogy films...so they definitely will not be promoting such messages.

There is the argument that Disney princesses find love and marry in their teens....but this is a teen pregnancy out of wedlock....I'm sorry but I don't see Disney showing this in a film which draws a young audience.

b. Let us say Korkie is , despite the craziness of point (a) above, is the son of Obi-wan and Satine....we don't see any special connection between Obi-wan and Korkie at any point of their interaction in TCW....a powerful jedi like Obi-wan might not have identified his child but wouldn't they have shown he felt some connection to Korkie? They have absolutely no special moments together in TCW which we can look back upon and say- Ah! Now this makes sense.

c. Obi-wan's child would defintiely be FS....we know from bloodline that FS runs in families....Korkie doesn't show FS abilities at any point of time during TCW. He was a regular guy.

d. Now let us look at a scenario where Satine and Obi-wan had an unknown child who was packed off somewhere far away....Satine was able to discuss her feelings for Obi-wan after which he says he would have left the order if she had only asked...but she still never mentions a child even though she is dying? It again makes little sense and makes her look really bad.

e. Also, Obi-wan is an orthodox jedi....so while the jedi order existed, there was no way he would do anything that went against its tenets.

f. Next, order 66 happens and Obi-wan is now on Tatooine and is no longer obliged to follow jedi rules.....canon comics have confirmed that Obi-wan (now old Ben) was alone and watching Luke day and night on Tatooine, living far away from other residents of Tatooine...except the jawas who he helped out sometimes....in the comics timeline, Luke is already a bit older than 10 years old and Obi-wan has no LI, relationship or even casual drunken fling at the cantina.

g. So we effectively have around 8-9 years at the most in which Obi-wan will have to get some lady pregnant while keeping an eye on Luke all the time....and then either dump her or be dumped by her and continue watching over Luke.

h. Now putting aside these arguments and let us say that Old Ben managed to get someone pregnant despite all this....are we really comfortable with the idea of Obi-wan focusing only on Luke when he has a LI and kid of his own?  I doubt they'll do that to his character.... we have to remember these are the same arguments the Reywalkers and Rey Solos bring up to justify Luke as the father..... this would result in one of the best characters in the SW saga being turned into a love rat and deadbeat Dad.

So while I like the idea of Rey being a Kenobi, I think it should be done in a way that does right by his character and not destroy the fact that he was a noble and wonderful character just to wedge Ewan McGregor as her ancestor.....I would prefer they made her his niece or his clone...she would still be a Kenobi and he would still have the same attachment but not look bad at the same time.

This is also why I am more comfortable with her having grey or dark ancestors since they are more capable of getting someone pregnant and dumping them in favour of power.....or even killing their LI to destroy their weaknesses.

Speaking of royalty, I still think her being Count Dooku's grand niece would be a great option....

1. She would be royalty (Palpatine's family were only minor nobles...Dooku's family actually ruled a system and were royals).

2. She would have a strong force sensitive ancestor who combined the light and the dark like the Skywalkers (Dooku was a jedi and then sith).

3. Obi-wan and yoda's force ghosts would have a vested interest in caring for her and appearing in her force vision (Yoda had a force bond with Dooku and even when Sidious wanted Obi-wan killed, Dooku tried to defy him for the first time and make Obi-wan join them instead....also, Obi-wan belongs to Dooku's master-student lineage through Qui Gon).

4. Dooku is a movie character played by a famous actor so the whole argument of the GA not knowing him etc falls flat....if they watched the PT, they would know him.

5. Dooku has the dark hair and british accent (though I think looking at this aspect is silly...some people care about this too)

6. The separatists were the enemies of the Empire and Rebels....so if she was from the Serenno family, she would be persecuted and easily left to die on Jakku by either the new republic or former imperials since both sides hated Dooku.

7. If Kylo is following Vader's path, he would feel he needs to kill her (he says the line I should kill you but there is another way in the novel) because that is precisely what his grandfather did to Dooku.

8. The new canon borrows heavily from the EU...and in the EU, Dooku had an extended family who were killed in a manner similar to the Anastasia story....they could easily bring this into canon.

@panki

Where and or when did Obi have visions of a brother... I think it is a distinct possibility that Obi has a brother

spacebaby45678 wrote:@panki

Where and or when did Obi have visions of a brother... I think it is a distinct possibility that Obi has a brother

@spacebaby45678

I think the ROTJ novelization mentions that Obi-Wan has a brother (or was it that Owen Lars was supposed to be Obi-Wan's brother at some point?)... but the ROTJ novelization isn't canon anymore.