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snufkin wrote:

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

reylo1992 wrote:

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Don't know but it seems that he and Leia knew each other quite well. In the novelization, Snoke says: your allegiance is not only to Skywalker. Leia..." and then Kylo cuts and swer is allegiance is to him. Perhaps Snoke was going to say Leia Organa but perhaps he was familiar with her enough to call her by her name. And Han and Leia seem to know who Snoke is. As for Snoke being around Ben from an early age, well Palpatine did have the power to hide his real appearance and Force signature.

What raises the most questions by me about me is: how is he supposed to have watched the Empire rise and fall? More important: how is he supposed to know that Vader chose not to kill his son knowing that the Death Star was completely destroyed and tha Sidious, Vader and Luke were supposed to be all alone? How is he supposed to know anyway that Vader and Luke were related if the Skywalker decided to keep this connection secret until it became public in Bloodline? Then how could he know that Ben would be Vader's grandson and born equally good and bad unless he was either very close with Palpatine himself and/or managed to be very closed with the Skywalkers?

@reylo1992

All of these questions can be answered fairly easily if there's a Gallius Rax-Snoke connection, as many suspect. We already know that Rax was one of Palpatine's closest confidantes, according to Life Debt. Here are a few possible explanations:

* It's reasonable to assume that Rax would have known that Luke Skywalker was Vader's son, given his connection to Palpatine. If Snoke had a connection to Rax (or was part of that same inner circle), Snoke would know, too.
* Snoke would know about Ben being Vader's grandson using the same logic--that Rax/Palpatine connection. It even sounds like things might be getting set up in the upcoming Empire's End book for Ben to have been born around the time of the Battle of Jakku. Depending on who Snoke is, he may have been around at the time of Ben's birth.
* Unless there was a live video feed or something for that final fight between Luke and Vader, then it does sound like Snoke had to have been close to the Skywalker family at some point. Luke wouldn't have even had to tell Snoke that Vader was his father; we all know that Luke (at least at the time of Bloodline) had a very warm and fuzzy view of Vader's redemption. If Snoke was a trusted member of Luke's inner circle, perhaps Luke mentioned it at some point.

@ISeeAnIsland

One thing that's at least clear in TFA, Snoke was playing both sides starting from the end of the war, start of the NR. Meaning he positioned himself to have access to both factions. Question is whether he was acting in the interest of the FO/Imperial Remnants all along. Or if he was playing to see which side would best enable whatever plan he had going on. But operating on both sides brings into the play that neither side was operating with clean hands in the post war envioronment.

This is also why I've thought that there has to be some kind of connection between him and whatever happened to Rey's parents. He's already shown that he's got no problem with destroying one family if it benefits his agenda. So it stands to reason that there would be others. Which we already know is Finn thanks to the Hux child soldier program. But Rey's also conveniently missing a family and conveniently also missing an explanation of what happened to them.

Darth_Awakened wrote:
@snufkin

There is also that old tidbit from Pablo - which implied that Snoke knew Leia.

However, I am more a believer of Palpatine-Rax-Snoke connection.

With Rogue One set to hit theaters in a week, what better time for Lucasfilm to start releasing information about Star Wars Episode VIII? Principle photography for the next full Star Wars film finished this summer with the next movie scheduled for release Dec. 15, 2017. But what will it be called?

The answer might come from a trademark filing Lucasfilm submitted today to the European Union Intellectual Property Office for “Star Wars Forces of Destiny.”

What lends credence to Forces of Destiny being the name of Episode VIII is the lengthy list of goods and services the name is being trademarked for. The list of items is more than 2000 words long and includes items from staplers to Christmas tree ornaments. And yes, motion picture films is on the list, as well as the usual merchandise like toys and various articles of clothing.

The timing of the filing is also important. With Episode VIII set for release in about a year, a teaser trailer is expected at any moment, with the Dec. 14 premier of Rogue One being a likely place to unveil it.

nonesuch wrote:We might have a title:

Star Wars Forces of Destiny

With Rogue One set to hit theaters in a week, what better time for Lucasfilm to start releasing information about Star Wars Episode VIII? Principle photography for the next full Star Wars film finished this summer with the next movie scheduled for release Dec. 15, 2017. But what will it be called?

The answer might come from a trademark filing Lucasfilm submitted today to the European Union Intellectual Property Office for “Star Wars Forces of Destiny.”

What lends credence to Forces of Destiny being the name of Episode VIII is the lengthy list of goods and services the name is being trademarked for. The list of items is more than 2000 words long and includes items from staplers to Christmas tree ornaments. And yes, motion picture films is on the list, as well as the usual merchandise like toys and various articles of clothing.

The timing of the filing is also important. With Episode VIII set for release in about a year, a teaser trailer is expected at any moment, with the Dec. 14 premier of Rogue One being a likely place to unveil it.

https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/?ticket=ST-192281-OBjFgqCSft13bRgKotnB-node2#details/trademarks/016141343

http://www.avsforum.com/name-next-star-wars-film/

Sylvia Snow wrote:I like the title, it sound cool. 

Also, this might be a stretch but I just just up some mythologies to see if there're any closely related to the title and what come up are Anake, the Goddess of Destiny and Necessity,she ad her consort Chronos mingling together in serpent forms that ties around the universe and it was they who break the primary egg of creation and form the world. The other deities that come up are the Moirai, the Fates, the three goddesses that control the destiny, fates and in some accounts, they are related to Anake

Rogue Rey wrote:

Sylvia Snow wrote:I like the title, it sound cool. 

Also, this might be a stretch but I just just up some mythologies to see if there're any closely related to the title and what come up are Anake, the Goddess of Destiny and Necessity,she ad her consort Chronos mingling together in serpent forms that ties around the universe and it was they who break the primary egg of creation and form the world. The other deities that come up are the Moirai, the Fates, the three goddesses that control the destiny, fates and in some accounts, they are related to Anake

@Sylvia Snow

Talking of eggs!!!!  I did just post this article in the Rey Origin discussion thread too!!

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a816416/star-wars-rey-origin-theory-hatched-from-egg/

Kessel89 wrote:Forces of Destiny sounds wonderful (and pretty Reylo-ish). However...the second movie of the last two trilogies had four worded titles: The Empire Strikes Back (TESB), Attack of the Clones (AOTC). There seems to be a pattern; the the first movies have three worded titles: ANH, TPM and TFA, and the third movies had four worded titles: ROTJ, ROTS. Of course, it's possible they aren't following the pattern anymore. Who knows, but it's something to keep in mind.

Rogue Rey wrote:

Kessel89 wrote:Forces of Destiny sounds wonderful (and pretty Reylo-ish). However...the second movie of the last two trilogies had four worded titles: The Empire Strikes Back (TESB), Attack of the Clones (AOTC). There seems to be a pattern; the the first movies have three worded titles: ANH, TPM and TFA, and the third movies had four worded titles: ROTJ, ROTS. Of course, it's possible they aren't following the pattern anymore. Who knows, but it's something to keep in mind.

@Kessel89

Maybe it'll be The Forces of Destiny????

Xylo Ren wrote:I don't know, but if you go to the website the article lists for the European Union Intellectual Property Office it has everything on there:

https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/?ticket=ST-192281-OBjFgqCSft13bRgKotnB-node2#details/trademarks/016141343

So if it's a hacker, a fake website, I can't say. Looks legit though. Read all the stuff they're asking to make...gift wrapping paper...postcards...notebook paper...walkie-talkies...

party bags...paper weights...children's activity books...HALLOWEEN COSTUMES :bounce: